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Romney is the winner in Kansas, if not D.C.
MSNBC ^ | May 4, 2007 | Joe Scarborough

Posted on 05/05/2007 4:12:43 PM PDT by Unmarked Package

America is not purple. It is very red and it is very blue.

For those of us who have been arguing that there is little difference between Republicans and Democrats, last night was a reminder of the stark differences that still divide our country. The GOP contenders were so much more conservative in tone and content than last week’s Democratic pack that we should all expect another divisive general election.

Republicans were so much more hawkish on matters of war and peace. Last week, Hillary Clinton got praised from pundits for promising “retaliation” against any power that nukes two American cities. Last night, John McCain promised to follow Osama bin Laden to the “gates of Hell” while Mitt Romney simply said, “He will die.”

That’s a far cry from Obama’s promise to face terrorist attacks by focusing on first responders and studying the lessons of Hurricane relief.

Republicans also struck a tougher tone against illegal immigrants, abortion and foreign types running for president. The Democratic field all defended the practice of partial birth abortion, while Republicans were overwhelmingly pro-life. That may be why Rudy Giuliani’s worst moment for Republican voters was when he said overturning Roe v. Wade would be “okay.”

Okay? Good Lord, man. Get yourself a pithy two minute abortion answer and repeat it in front of the mirror a hundred times.

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To: Radix

No respect for Hunter?


21 posted on 05/05/2007 5:29:30 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: jmyrlefuller

What the hell does how massachusetts voted have to do with anything? Bob Dole was from Kansas, which, like ND, SD, NE, OK, ID, WY, UT, and AK has not voted for a Democratic Presidential candidate since 1964.

That didn’t mean a damn thing when the votes were cast.


22 posted on 05/05/2007 5:39:12 PM PDT by republicanwizard
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To: Ultra Sonic 007
"No respect for Hunter?"

The truth is, other than some FRee Republic stuff, I simply have no idea who the man is.

What I do know for certain is that I ain't ever voting for a Democrat, and that includes McCain, and Giuliani.

I want to vote for someone who is proved to be consistent, and not a compromiser or BS Artist.

In the end though, I'll vote for the Republican candidate, as long as it ain't Rudy or "Mad McCain".

23 posted on 05/05/2007 5:39:46 PM PDT by Radix (I live my life like there is no yesterday!)
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To: tantiboh; greyfoxx39; Unmarked Package
(Pssst. Over here.)

At the risk of dragging that other thread over here, take a look at this new one.

I think Romney made a fan out of Joe Scarborough. This info on Romney's debate performance and his passing muster with the Hoover Institution is something we haven't heard much about just yet.

I'm not ready to grant that Romney walked away with the Reagan mantle. But Scarborough makes some good points here, probably the best writing on the debate outcome that I've seen so far.
24 posted on 05/05/2007 5:51:40 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP Rudi = Hillary)
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To: Unmarked Package

I think the biggest difference between the Democrat and Republican debates has gone largely unreported. In the Republican debate, all of the candidates recognized the reality that we are at war. At the Democrat debate, half of their candidates denied the War On Terror’s existence and of those who said they do recognize it, two of them agreed only after seeing Hillary and Obama raise their hands. Talk about being out of touch with reality. That is the biggest lesson I took from the two debates.


25 posted on 05/05/2007 7:46:56 PM PDT by Reaganesque
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To: Unmarked Package; Obilisk18; tantiboh
"Indeed. I've been searching Lexis Nexus a bit recently, and I ran into some information that supports this wholeheartedly. Some key quotes from a Herald article on the final 2002 debate between Romney and Shannon O'Brien (a fine debater): “Nearly 44 percent of likely voters said they watched the debate. Among that group, Romney holds a 7-point lead over O’Brien, while voters who didn’t see the televised clash back O’Brien by a 5-point margin.” And then most illuminating this: “Among independent voters who viewed the debate, Romney holds a whopping 63-19 percent lead. Romney’s lead among independent voters who said they didn’t watch the debate is at 10 points, the same level as five days ago.” That’s a 34 point swing. 34 points. In one night. There are barely words to describe the depth of that shift. Get Romney before the American people, against a Democratic opponent, and you’ll be weeping with joy."
That is a remarkable account, one that should be considered more widely.

The Bush machine, both W. and Jeb, are quietly lining up behind Romney. This is a good example why. I also see Coulter, Levin, Hewitt, Victor Davis Hanson and others either for him or very open to him and urging others to consider him seriously. Some of these are still keeping their options open on a Fred Thompson run which is smart. Too early for us to pick yet anyway.

Not bad for Romney. An indication of the possibility that he might at least carry MA for us.

Very unlike the Rooty faction which (falsely) claimed so many times that the leftwing mayor would carry NYC against Hitlery as the polling evidence continued to mount that Rudi couldn't beat Hitlery or Obama or Edwards in NY and that the voters there liked their new mayor better and think he would be a much better candidate than Rudi for the Republican nomination.
26 posted on 05/05/2007 8:15:08 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP Rudi = Hillary)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Romney’s the kind of guy who could match wits with [Bill] Clinton - even beat him - in a debate (he’s destroy Hillary), and that’s what the country needs or we’ll have 4-8 years of the press and liberal cultural establishment steamrolling another poorly communicating Republican president.

‘Polished’ and ‘smooth’ are only negatives if one lacks substance. When one has substance these qualities amplify, if not follow from, substance.


27 posted on 05/05/2007 8:19:11 PM PDT by Swordfished
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Interestingly, the only person who seems to have given Hunter any praise outside of FR has been....Romney.

When asked who else he thought had done well, Romney said he thought Hunter had spoken very well on some key issues.


28 posted on 05/05/2007 9:27:52 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: CheyennePress

That is indeed true.

We’ll see what comes of this in the coming months.


29 posted on 05/05/2007 9:33:16 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Ultra Sonic 007

Hey, I want Hunter around. He absolutely has the right idea on illegal immigration. And when it comes to national defense, he’s head and shoulders above anyone else.

I’m pulling for Romney, but I want to hear more from Hunter. And even if he doesn’t take the Oval Office, he’d make a very good VP.


30 posted on 05/05/2007 9:36:15 PM PDT by CheyennePress
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To: everyone

How nice of Scarborough to say something positive about the Republicans. (Sarc.)


31 posted on 05/05/2007 9:38:05 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charley the Tuna out there. It's Jaws." -- Richard Nixon)
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To: CheyennePress

After hearing about Romney’s praise for Hunter, I immediately thought of a Romney/Hunter ticket.

I’d prefer Hunter to be in the main hot seat, but I wouldn’t mind him as VP or Sec. of Defense. I mean, he turns 60 next year; he’s surprisingly young (relatively speaking, compared to McCain or Giuliani). If this year doesn’t work, I could see him trying again next time.


32 posted on 05/05/2007 9:49:05 PM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Unmarked Package
"Meanwhile, my friends from D.C., Manhattan and L.A. were calling him “creepy,” “fake” and “scary as hell.”

That's interesting. Republicans in the Liberalist of areas dislike Romney. That can only mean one thing...Romney is *gasp* TOO conservative for them.

33 posted on 05/05/2007 9:52:46 PM PDT by TAdams8591 (Mitt Romney for President '08)
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To: Unmarked Package; redgirlinabluestate

Joe Scarborough, former Republican CongressCritter from Florida, should have hosted the debate. He would have been more fair than Matthews or Politico.com, both big liberals. The quality of questions was antagonistic and/or just plain stupid.

Now we know at least there are some big differences between the parties. I see that as giving voters a choice not as a way to divide one against the other. Do you want your president to be for partial birth abortion oor not? For sticking with the plan of the military surge or no? Now the voter can choose.


34 posted on 05/05/2007 9:56:40 PM PDT by circumbendibus
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Why aren`t you supporting Mitt? If he gets the nomination, will you vote for him?


35 posted on 05/05/2007 9:58:11 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I aggree with you, Romney is very sharp and sincere. I believe he is the man that we need and alot of junk is being projected onto him because he is good. Happens to all good people to some degree. I remember how Reagan was made out to be dumb and not a hard worker. Yet he was very sharp too, and always witty.


36 posted on 05/05/2007 10:08:10 PM PDT by fabian
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To: Unmarked Package

You just don`t get it——we need stupid nominees from states like Wyoming (nice place but)to defeat the Rats and their pals in the MSM. Romney is to smart, to capable, and he doesn`t even own a M-60!I`ve heard he likes tacos and once read a whole book that didn`t even have pictures.


37 posted on 05/05/2007 10:08:16 PM PDT by neverhillorat (HILLORAT WINS, WE ALL LOSE)
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To: CheyennePress
When asked who else he thought had done well, Romney said he thought Hunter had spoken very well on some key issues.

It is a little disquieting, isn't it? The Gipper had his missteps ("We bomb in five minutes"). Bush can hardly give a speech, just painful to watch, apparently a genetic trait he inherited from his dad.

Romney does have real brains.

I noticed something else very scary about him: he pronounces the word "nuclear" correctly. Unlike the "nukular engineer" president, Jimmy Carter, for instance (a glorified reactor technician who was inflating his military resume).

I'm trying to figure out if he's going after the frustrated southern science teacher vote with that "nuclear" crack. I'm quite certain I heard his pronounce it correctly. Twice!

Very provocative.
38 posted on 05/05/2007 10:52:12 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP Rudi = Hillary)
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To: neverhillorat
Romney is to smart, to capable, and he doesn`t even own a M-60!

Before you throw him off that pedestal, I'll remind you that he is a self-described lifelong "rodent hunter". And that is his own description from his press conference. He also explained his rodent kills improved when his cousins let him use a semi-automatic .22 to plink those rabbits with. And he still doesn't seem to grasp the connection to AWB and semi-auto bans.

You just have to laugh. The NRA is going to have its work cut out trying to vet a guy this out of touch with gun culture. He's not disqualified yet by any means. But this is one subject that apparently will have to be explained to him in detail before anyone can determine whether he can be endorsed by RKBA organizations.

Romney is kind of like a young sheltered city girl when it comes to understanding the whole gun issue, especially that the Second isn't about sporting goods. But he is a quick study and seems willing.
39 posted on 05/05/2007 11:00:57 PM PDT by George W. Bush (Election Math For Dummies: GOP Rudi = Hillary)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

“I’m a Kansan and I’m most definitely not for Romney.”

I’m a Mormon and I’m not for Romney. Although I like him a bet better than Harry Reid.


40 posted on 05/05/2007 11:52:19 PM PDT by Old Student (We have a name for the people who think indiscriminate killing is fine. They're called "The Bad Guys)
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