Posted on 05/06/2007 8:43:15 AM PDT by COUNTrecount
Edited on 05/06/2007 10:22:51 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]
Dear Lord, protect us from our own perfidy and sloth.
ME TOO!
It seems the only one talking about China is Duncan Hunter. Does anyone have any info on where the othere candidates stand?
I added you to my ping list.
When I was a kid, the label “Made in Japan” was synonymous with poor quality. Sounds like that mantra now belongs to China. Combine this with their extreme drive for secrecy — to “save face”— and their unfettered inclination to cut corners in order to mass produce, and you have a recipe for disaster. I’d never knowingly consume any product that came from China.
I like the sound of that.
Probably; but not necessarily.
But records and interviews show that in three of the last four cases it was made in China.
Nobody is certain where that fourth case came from, though the presumption is that it came from China.
If it was in US products 70 years ago, that damned sure didn't come from China, either.
Propylene glycol is the sweet tasting poison in anti-freeze.
Ethylene glycol is the sweet tasting USDA approved food ingredient.
Revolting, isn’t it? Well maybe not the best choice of words, but this is a family forum.
If there are problems with the way legitimate business is being done either in the United States or trans-nationally, the transactions are subject to national and international law and suspect dealings can be brought to appropriate courts of law for an accounting.
If you don’t think officials in the United States are accountable for misconduct in business dealings, just ask Senator Feinstein about how her steering of defense MILCON contracts to firms owned by her husband is working out these days. The importation of ethanol will be subject to a full range of environmental, commerce and energy regulations and reviews before any Bush brother makes money off of supposedly suspect dealings with Brazil.
This article reveals (along with the pet food scandal, and the children being killed while being forced to make fireworks in their school scandal, and the CD and software pirating scandals, and the building collapse scandals, and the mistreatment of foreign teachers of English scandal, and the exploitation of factory workers and small holding farmers scandals, and the collapse of rural health and education funding scandal, and the alleged nearly irreversible pollution of the Yellow River scandal, and the ... shall I continue(?)), that, as a group, Chinese businesses ARE corrupt, and the Chinese government IS fully involved in aiding and abetting the process. Everything, EVERYTHING is presently being sacrificed to that favorite Chinese past time, making money. (And, unfortunately, with the exception of a few lonely voices crying in the wilderness, the United States and the remainder of the world is apparently perfectly willing to allow this relentless exploitation of a talented and industrious people for purely pecuniary reasons. It is really quite disgusting.)
Occasional crackdowns not withstanding, the Chinese court and legal system functions as a tool for the party to suppress any form of dissent that might threaten party domination of the people and acts as an aid for corrupt party officials to use in furthering their and their business partners' schemes. Of course, the police and courts do also perform regular law enforcement functions. They do them because not to do them is to permit a threat to the orderly society any government needs to maintain control of its population.
In short, without severe performance guarantees, few Chinese businesses can be trusted at present to observe their own or international law in an honest and conscientious manner. Without close and constant observation, the reliability of the Chinese government to be a faithful and impartial enforcer of the same is not certain.
I’m sorry if this criticism challenges your perceptions about China but there is just no comparison between the two governments and countries. In fact, the Chinese people would be much, much better off if they were just subject to levels of corruption presently endemic in the United States' governments and businesses. That's how big the difference is.
******Propylene glycol is the sweet tasting poison in anti-freeze.
Ethylene glycol is the sweet tasting USDA approved food ingredient.*******
YOU HAVE IT BACKWARDS! THIS below is from some anti-freeze web sites.
** Most brands of commercial antifreeze consist of 95 percent ethylene glycol, an extremely toxic chemical. Even a few licks of this sweet-tasting liquid can be fatal to a cat or dog. (Ethylene- glycol-based antifreeze is also extremely hazardous to children. A few ounces are lethal.)
SIERRA Antifreeze is formulated with propylene glycol (PG). As compared to ethylene glycol, propylene glycol is less toxic and safer for children, pets, and wildlife in the environment. Propylene glycol is used at specified levels in the formulation of many consumer products including cosmetics, pet food, and certain over-the-counter medications.**
AWK! You’re right.
From #46, “I read the ingredients on a soda I bought out of a machine. Can’t remember the name of it, but it had ethylene glycol in it.”
And I went from there, with the mind not noticing that sodas can have the other in it, and that the original poster, Calvin Locke, must have mis-typed which one it was.
At least I hope he did, and that the soda really didn’t have ethelene glycol on the ingredients label.
Ethyl, methyl, butyl, propyl,
Moil, seethe, boil and bubble;
Form a sweet, foul brew of evil,
For gut, eye, and brain trouble!
Are you aware of any article being posted on FR where Plastic Baby Bibs, made in communist China and sold at Wal*Mart and (else where) have been "voluntarily" recalled because each bib contains more than 16 times OUR FDA LEAD CONTENT limit?
No telling how many other plastic baby products the Chi-coms have laced with lead..
sw
I did read about that, but not on FR. I think they were manufactured in Gonzales Louisiana—(very close to me) I couldn’t find an immediate connection to China (but I bet there is) Do you know of a connection?
It’s been a while. Grad school, some 15 years ago...
Grandma gets lead out of baby bibs
By Steve Zalusky Daily Herald Staff Writer
Posted Friday, May 04, 2007
Arlington Heights resident Julie Furer said she bought vinyl-backed bibs for 3-month-old son Jensen because they stopped the drool from leaking through.
Previously, Jensen, who turns 1 today, had been using cloth bibs, but they had proved ineffective. "I called him Waterfall. That was my nickname for him," said Julie Furer's mother, Mount Prospect resident Marilyn Furer. "He would be soaking wet, because he was just constantly drooling."
Jensen would also put the bib in his mouth when he was hungry, something that came to Marilyn Furer's attention when he started using the vinyl-backed bibs. It caused Marilyn to think back to reports she had heard of lead being found in plastic school lunch boxes.
"So there I think, hmmm, plastic in the mouth, plastic in school lunch boxes. What the heck, I'll just go get a (lead testing) kit just to play it safe. I never thought it would come out like that."
Using a household lead test kit produced by Homax Products Inc., she crushed the two points on the barrel of the testing swab, shook the swab and squeezed it until a yellow liquid appeared on the tip. Then she rubbed the swab tip on the test area. To her surprise, the swab tip turned pink, indicating the presence of lead. She wound up testing 20 bibs, with eight of them yielding a positive result.
She sent the bibs, which were made in China and sold at Wal-Mart, to the Center for Environmental Health in Oakland, Calif., which had done the research on the lunch boxes.
Testing commissioned by the center revealed that one of the Baby Connection brand vinyl bibs, which were sold exclusively at Wal-Mart stores, had a lead level of 9,700 parts per million, more than 16 times greater than the legal limit for lead in paint.
The bibs were later tested in Illinois and New York, revealing similarly high levels, with the result that Wal-Mart has stopped selling the bibs in those states indefinitely. In addition, the Illinois attorney general announced a statewide recall of the Wal-Mart bibs.
"These vinyl bibs pose a lead poisoning threat to infants and toddlers who are at the most vulnerable age," said Caroline Cox, research director at the Center for Environmental Health and author of a report on lead in baby bibs released by the center this week.
"As every parent knows, young children commonly chew and suck on their bibs, so if the bib is contaminated, children are being directly exposed to lead."
For Marilyn Furer, it wasn't the first time her activism had produced results. When her daughter Julie, Jensen's mom, was 18 months old, she was diagnosed with juvenile diabetes. In 1973, Marilyn, along with a small group of concerned parents, founded the first chapter of the Juvenile Diabetes Foundation (now known as the Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation) in Illinois.
"She ran the whole organization as president out of our house in Mount Prospect," Julie Furer said. Marilyn Furer is calling for a national ban on lead-based products used by infants and children. "As far as I'm concerned, any trace amount is unacceptable," she said.
One should be suspicious, she said, of any product that uses plastic. "If it can't be made without lead, it shouldn't be made. People should use the double cloth bibs or buy wooden toys."
Above all, she said, one should buy American and be suspicious of imports, especially from China. Also, she said parents should get their children tested for lead.
Marilyn Furer said it is nice to hear that people are proud of her for bringing the issue to light, but is surprised it wasn't thought of before.
"I'm disappointed and disillusioned that our public, governmental agencies haven't had in place already something that stops these kinds of things from coming on in the first place."
sw
I hope you don’t mind—I went and found this article on the web to link and posted it because I thought it was so important to have it’s own article.
I'm concerned this contamination of lead could be in many items we import from China. Baby bottles, toys and even those expensive or cheap painted figurines.
The list to be tested is legion.
sw
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