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TAKE ACTION: We're Paying War Reparations to Guam for What Japan Did
RedState.com ^ | today | Jeff Emanuel

Posted on 05/07/2007 2:18:42 PM PDT by enough_idiocy

"House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-MD) and his eight compatriots, all of whom have co-sponsored a bill that would require that America pay reparations to the people of Guam for - get this - the actions of the Japanese in World War II.

According to the bill (HR.1595, the "Guam World War II Loyalty Recognition Act"), the people of Guam:

suffered unspeakable harm as a result of the occupation of Guam by Imperial Japanese military forces during World War II , by being subjected to death, rape, severe personal injury, personal injury, forced labor, forced march, or internment.

For this reason (?), "the Secretary of the Treasury shall make payments" to WWII survivors and their descendants on Guam for the brutal actions of a third party.

Makes perfect sense, doesn't it? After all, the US is the largest aid donor on the planet; it's only logical that we should rebuild, repatriate, and reparate every country that has been hurt by every war that we can find. Let's not stop with Guam - let's include everybody from Carthage on up to the present. Should we pay reparations to the Koreans for the Mongol invasions of the 14th century, and to the Spanish for the loss of their Armada in 1588? Why not?

And while this bill holds up $126,000,000.00 for the repayment of the people of Guam for what the Japanese did (as well as $5,000,000.00 for "the Secretary of the Interior [to] establish a grants program [to]...award grants for research, educational, and media activities that memorialize the events surrounding the occupation of Guam during World War II, honor the loyalty of the people of Guam during such occupation, or both, for purposes of appropriately illuminating and interpreting the causes and circumstances of such occupation and other similar occupations during a war"), our soldiers can't even get a dime in supplemental appropriations.

Way to go, Democrats. Your "blame America first" (even for things we have nothing to do with), anti-US soldier attitudes, actions, and mindsets have just been taken to a new level."


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My rep's office could not explain to me why we're spending Americans' money to compensate Guam for what Japan did.
1 posted on 05/07/2007 2:18:46 PM PDT by enough_idiocy
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To: enough_idiocy

Reparations Trumps Warfighters
http://www.redstate.com/redhot#redhot-31629


2 posted on 05/07/2007 2:20:14 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Voters can't vote out the rats if the media doesn't tell them what they're up to.)
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To: enough_idiocy

What kind of lunacy is this...? Oh yeah, the Democratic kind.


3 posted on 05/07/2007 2:21:21 PM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: enough_idiocy

I think Steny Hoyer and his eight cronies should have to pay the reparations. Their savings and investments can be liquidated for the purpose, and their wages garnished until their debt is paid.


4 posted on 05/07/2007 2:22:33 PM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: enough_idiocy

I think that the Democratic Party owes me reparations for screwing up my country and failing to adequately support the defense of our nation and its allies.


5 posted on 05/07/2007 2:23:03 PM PDT by hometoroost (TSA = Thousands Standing Around)
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To: enough_idiocy

Easy.. it’s called buying votes.


6 posted on 05/07/2007 2:24:21 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: enough_idiocy

Makes perfect sense...

In a bid to one-up his compatriot, Harry Reid, the Hon. Mr. Hoyer has found a way to retroactively surrender to Japan for WWII...


7 posted on 05/07/2007 2:25:41 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (He who smiles and keeps his head when all about are losing theirs - doesn't understand the situation)
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To: keepitreal

From Guam?


8 posted on 05/07/2007 2:25:45 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Voters can't vote out the rats if the media doesn't tell them what they're up to.)
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To: Uncle Ike

That’s funny, but yet really sad at the same time


9 posted on 05/07/2007 2:26:15 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Voters can't vote out the rats if the media doesn't tell them what they're up to.)
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To: enough_idiocy
Liberal logic says if we had been ready for the Pearl Harbor attack, we could have stopped Japan in it's tracks and the Japanese would have never needed or been able to occupy Guam.

So, yes it was our fault.

10 posted on 05/07/2007 2:26:20 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

I am so ashamed!! Why wasn’t I there to protect Guam? Why? Why?...Oh yeah, I wasn’t even born yet. Sheesh


11 posted on 05/07/2007 2:27:50 PM PDT by danmyte (dana)
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To: keepitreal

Does the word “KICKBACK” come to mind? Someone other than the people of Guam is getting some of this money. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard of in a long time. How about all the other countries that Japan invaded? Like China? How about all the countries that Germany invaded? And.....where in our Constitution does it give these idiots the right to do this?


12 posted on 05/07/2007 2:29:17 PM PDT by RC2
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To: enough_idiocy

My grandfather lost a couple of toes and partial hearing in the Ardennes during WWII. Apparently he wasn’t loyal enough for me to get reparations.


13 posted on 05/07/2007 2:31:12 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: keepitreal
Easy.. it’s called buying votes.

Votes for what? Guam is a U.S. Territory that elects a non-voting representative to Congress. It has no electoral votes for President. The current representative is a Democrat. And a Democrat has held that seat since 1993.

Why aren't the Japanese paying these "reparations"? They are the ones who invaded our sovereign territory in 1941. The United States has already paid reparations in blood, liberating the island in 1944.
14 posted on 05/07/2007 2:31:18 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: enough_idiocy
They certainly have reached their level of incompetence!!!!
15 posted on 05/07/2007 2:31:21 PM PDT by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: enough_idiocy

Guam World War II Loyalty Recognition Act

“... acknowledge the steadfast loyalty to the United States of the residents of Guam as a result of the occupation of Guam in World War II by Imperial Japanese military forces;”

http://www.theorator.com/bills109/hr1595.html


16 posted on 05/07/2007 2:32:56 PM PDT by rhombus
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To: RC2
Someone other than the people of Guam is getting some of this money. This is one of the dumbest things I’ve heard of in a long time. How about all the other countries that Japan invaded? Like China?

Guam isn't a country - it is and was a U.S. territory - since 1898 - except for the 3-year period of Japanese occupation.
17 posted on 05/07/2007 2:34:39 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: danmyte

I wonder how many Guamians are still alive from WWII. I would expect that most of these people would be in their 70s and 80s by now. If they survived that long, then what’s the problem? The Dems are outdoing themselves on the pork - at least the Repubs seemed to keep their pork in the USA.


18 posted on 05/07/2007 2:36:13 PM PDT by Sioux-san (God save the Sheeple)
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To: enough_idiocy; All

it looks like I nailed it again..to quote the late Peter Boyle on Everybody Loves Raymond, “Holy Crap”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1828014/posts


19 posted on 05/07/2007 2:38:56 PM PDT by GeorgiaDawg32 (The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese..)
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To: enough_idiocy
Wait until the next Democrat apologies to Germany for us winning WWII.
20 posted on 05/07/2007 2:40:43 PM PDT by Ukiapah Heep (Shoes for Industry!)
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To: enough_idiocy

Thanks for the head’s up. I sent FReepmail to Mark Levin as well.


21 posted on 05/07/2007 2:45:09 PM PDT by sono (TITVS PVLLO in MMVIII - Paid for by the Aventine Collegium for Pullo)
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To: conservative in nyc

Ah, but the dems are working on that too.

Democrats’ Unconstitutional Power Grab
by Rep. Tom Price (More by this author)

Posted: 01/23/2007
Tomorrow, the House of Representatives will be considering a rule change (H. Res. 78) to allow delegates and non-members of the House—of which four of five are Democrats—to vote in the House of Representatives.

Fresh off a 100-hour agenda that was full of loopholes, fine print, and geared more toward sound bites than sound policy, Democrats are planning to further stack the deck in their favor in the House of Representatives. Tomorrow, House Democrats will change the rules of the House to allow non-members of Congress (serving as delegates from American Samoa, the Virgin Islands, Guam, the District of Columbia and the resident commissioner from Puerto Rico), the right to vote.
http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=19093


22 posted on 05/07/2007 2:48:17 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: keepitreal

Well, that ties it all together!!!


23 posted on 05/07/2007 2:51:19 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: griswold3

And it did pass the House.


24 posted on 05/07/2007 2:54:40 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: enough_idiocy

Who wants to bet that Steny Hoyer and/or his cronies have Guamianian relatives?


25 posted on 05/07/2007 2:56:15 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: enough_idiocy

I don’t ever want to hear another liberal complain that we don’t have the money for this or that program.

This is so stupid, so incompetent, so ridiculous it will (and should) define congress for decades to come. I would rather dine on hay with horses than sit down at a dinner table with a single member of congress.

When do we start kicking their doors in?


26 posted on 05/07/2007 3:01:38 PM PDT by navyguy (We don't need more youth. What we need is a fountain of SMART.)
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To: keepitreal

Are you for real?

What the status now?


27 posted on 05/07/2007 3:02:30 PM PDT by griswold3
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To: gov_bean_ counter

but wasnt it FDR, their hallowed DEMOCRAT who allegedly KNEW about the pending attack but let it happen so he could have an excuse to enter the war.


28 posted on 05/07/2007 3:03:39 PM PDT by Finatic
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To: keepitreal
I’m pretty sure that bill said that if the vote of the non-voting delegates changed the outcome, a new vote without them would need to be taken. So the non-voting delegates could never cast a deciding vote.

If it didn’t, the bill is clearly unconstitutional. As written, it’s probably unconstitutional, but likely can’t be brought to court.

29 posted on 05/07/2007 3:10:25 PM PDT by conservative in nyc
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To: sono

In that case, mention this too: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1829795/posts


30 posted on 05/07/2007 3:12:42 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Voters can't vote out the rats if the media doesn't tell them what they're up to.)
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To: Finatic

Oh, nice twist. Good job.


31 posted on 05/07/2007 3:17:53 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter ( Who is the Democrat's George Galloway?)
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To: conservative in nyc

You are right.


32 posted on 05/07/2007 3:21:59 PM PDT by keepitreal
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To: enough_idiocy

Using ‘democrat-logic’ the presence of US forces in Guam mad Guam a ‘target’ for the Japanese. You see? It’s the same thinking that says that Iraq would be a rose garden if only the US forces currently there would just... leave.


33 posted on 05/07/2007 3:46:15 PM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: conservative in nyc
It has no electoral votes for President..... yet!
34 posted on 05/07/2007 3:48:11 PM PDT by Tallguy (Climate is what you plan for, weather is what you get.)
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To: enough_idiocy

Bullsh!t.
Pure and simple bullsh!t.


35 posted on 05/07/2007 3:51:31 PM PDT by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "P" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: enough_idiocy

Please tell me this is some sort of parody, or joke. Please.


36 posted on 05/07/2007 3:58:33 PM PDT by GlennBeck08
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To: enough_idiocy
It’s called the San Francisco Peace Treaty. It was signed in 1951 between Japan, the United States and most of the other allied powers.

You can find the text here:

http://www.uni-erfurt.de/ostasiatische_geschichte/texte/japan/dokumente/19/19510908_treaty.htm

I draw your attention to Article XIV. To make a long story short, the signers of the treaty agreed that Japan would turn over certain assets to the Allied Powers, and that all further claims against Japan would be waived. The details are in the treay.

Why did we do that? Because demanding massive war reparations from Germany under the Treaty of Versailles worked out so well. You may remember the consequences of that brilliant idea by Woodrow Wilson. If not, you can look it up. The United States wanted a free Japan that could be an American ally, not a country burdened by economic troubles that would probably wind up having a revolution and going over to the Communists.

So, among other peoples, Guamians cannot claim compensation for losses from Japan. So the only country that can compensate the Guamians for their WWII losses is the United States, which has somewhat of a moral obligation, since the U.S. signed away the Guamians rights to get compensation from Japan.

That is why this is happening this way. You can agree or disagree that the U.S. should pay this compensation. I'm not interested in arguing either way. So nobody complain to me about it.

37 posted on 05/07/2007 4:38:24 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Do you know what they do to puppets in prison?)
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To: enough_idiocy; Cheburashka
I can see why Queen Plastic Pelosi wants Guam's delegate to have full voting rights in the House. This is Guam's second go-around at the public trough known as the United States Treasury for damages caused by the Japanese.

I refer you to The Guam Meritorious Claims Act of 1945. I especially draw your attention to the final sentence of Sec. 1 - "Provided further, That any such settlements made by such commissions under the authority of this Act shall be final and conclusive for all purposes, notwithstanding any other provision of law to the contrary."

In short, they already got their money. Why do we need to toss another $162,000,000 at them?

38 posted on 05/07/2007 5:07:52 PM PDT by steveegg (I am John Doe.)
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To: Cheburashka

Thanks for this enlightening post. What say you to the post below yours?


39 posted on 05/07/2007 5:23:41 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Voters can't vote out the rats if the media doesn't tell them what they're up to.)
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To: enough_idiocy

“the vote on H.R. 1595 has been postponed until tomorrow.”


40 posted on 05/07/2007 5:31:11 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Voters can't vote out the rats if the media doesn't tell them what they're up to.)
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To: BOBWADE

ping


41 posted on 05/07/2007 6:10:54 PM PDT by zip (((Remember: DimocRat lies told often enough become truth to 48% of all Americans (NRA)))))
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To: enough_idiocy; steveegg
Thanks for this enlightening post. What say you to the post below yours?
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The 1945 Act appears to be capped at $5,000. In other words, (hypothetically) you lose your mother, father, three brothers and sisters and you get: $5,000. In 1945 dollars. On Guam. Is that adequate compensation? I can't judge that.

But a look at the present act and it screams PORK!!!!

Maybe some more money is justified, but not the amounts they're talking about. And a 5 billion dollar fund is a sick joke.

42 posted on 05/07/2007 6:55:43 PM PDT by Cheburashka (Do you know what they do to puppets in prison?)
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To: Cheburashka
The 1945 Act appears to be capped at $5,000. In other words, (hypothetically) you lose your mother, father, three brothers and sisters and you get: $5,000. In 1945 dollars. On Guam. Is that adequate compensation? I can't judge that.

Actually, it wasn't a hard cap, and it didn't apply to death or injury claims. The $5,000 (which is somewhere north of $52,000 in 2007 dollars) limit applied only to what the Department of the Navy could approve on its own authority. Anything beyond $5,000, as well as all death and injury claims, could still be pursued, only the approval of the settlement of such claims needed to go through Congress.

43 posted on 05/07/2007 7:22:35 PM PDT by steveegg (I am John Doe.)
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To: Cheburashka

The agreement that Clinton signed re: Nazi eras crimes wasn’t any better than that, and that was implemented in the 1990s. Clinton, without going to Congress, worked with Shroeder to create the German Foundation “Remembrance, Responsibility and the Future”, people get 5 and under from the cases I’ve read, and US courts don’t allow victims living here or their decedents to sue in federal courts opting instead to defer to that program.


44 posted on 05/07/2007 7:37:09 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Voters can't vote out the rats if the media doesn't tell them what they're up to.)
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To: danmyte
What kind of lunacy is this...? Oh yeah, the Democratic kind.

In this era, no nation has ever been punished for abusing US military POWs

45 posted on 05/08/2007 12:19:00 AM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: traviskicks

ping


46 posted on 05/08/2007 5:30:54 AM PDT by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; The majority are satisfied with a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: danmyte

From Today’s ‘ Neal’s Nuze’ (05/07/07):

http://boortz.com/nuze/index.html

MORE OF YOUR TAX MONEY AT WORK

Brace yourself for this one. Your tax dollars are being called upon to pay for reparations to the people of Guam for the Japanese’s actions in WWII. That’s right. You read it correctly! Americans will pay for what Japanese did in a war that was fought over 50 years ago.

Here’s the story. A bill will be introduced this week in the House called the Guam World War II Loyalty Recognition Act. This act calls for reparations—costing about $135 million—for the “unspeakable harm as a result of the occupation of Guam by Imperial Japanese military forces during World War II, by being subjected to death, rape, severe personal injury, personal injury, forced labor, forced march, or internment.” Now mind you, these are terrible things that happened to the people of Guam, but why do I have to pay for it? And why now?

Well it turns out that Truman signed an agreement with Japan in 1951 basically stating that from then on, Japan is not responsible for “individual American war claims.” Because Guam is a U.S. territory, the burden to compensate for Japanese abuses falls on U.S. taxpayers. Thanks a lot, Harry Truman. You are a great American Democrat.

But in 2003, Bush authorized the appointment of the Guam War Claims Review Commission. I guess we can assume that this was the result.

Now here’s an interesting question. I have heard, though I have never taken the time to verify, that there was only one major war engaged in by the U.S. where U.S. taxpayers didn’t fork over huge sums to rebuild the loser. That would be the War Between the States .. sometimes erroneously referred to as the “Civil War”


47 posted on 05/08/2007 6:44:49 AM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: bamahead; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
48 posted on 05/08/2007 7:04:40 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: enough_idiocy

Typical - not surprising, this is what the federal government does best - believe the tagline!


49 posted on 05/08/2007 7:15:43 AM PDT by TheKidster (you can only trust government to grow, consolidate power and infringe upon your liberties.)
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To: enough_idiocy
This is nothing compared to the monies we spend on Guam because of Guam's mismanagement and inability to maintain what the Federal government has already built. Ask anyone who has lived on Guam for any length of time and you will hear the same story of local government incompetence.

The Ordot dump has been scheduled for closure for 20+ years and the locals can't decide where to move it, thus costing mounting fines by the EPA. The Guam Public School System is a federal money pit that can compete with any pork program in the US. The island's infrastructure is in such disarray, because of no planned maintenance programs, it will take the Federal government to come in AGAIN to rebuild it.

The only governmental corruption cases to be prosecuted and won were cases brought by Federal prosecutors because the local judicial system can not convict their own, such as x-governor Carl T.C. Gutierrez.

The taxpayers need to know exactly how much money has already been spent on Guam.

The people of Guam need to stop depending on their Uncle Sam for their government officials incompetence.

50 posted on 05/08/2007 7:20:34 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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