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TAKE ACTION: We're Paying War Reparations to Guam for What Japan Did
RedState.com ^ | today | Jeff Emanuel

Posted on 05/07/2007 2:18:42 PM PDT by enough_idiocy

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To: K-oneTexas
This act calls for reparations—costing about $135 million

This $135 million is close to the local Guam government's operating deficit and needed amount to balance its budget. What is interesting is the Supreme Court just decided a case that went against Guam's governor wish to borrow large amounts of monies. This government will be declared bankrupt in the near future and the US taxpayers will have to bail it out anyway.

51 posted on 05/08/2007 7:25:59 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: enough_idiocy

>>My rep’s office could not explain to me why we’re spending Americans’ money to compensate Guam for what Japan did.<<

Starting with American Holocaust suriviors, the Foreign Claims Settlement Commission, part of the department of Justice has pursued claims like this 43 times. Basically we go ahead and pay the survivors and then try to get the money back from the other government. We have somewhat better luck than the victims could directly.

In some cases, like with Germany, we got reimbursed. In other cases, like with Cuba seized assets of the aggressor government came into play (thanks largely to Jesse Helms, one the champions of this program). In other cases we never get the money back.

I haven’t followed Guam closely but a commission report (in 2004, I think) found that the were not treated the same as other Americans on war claims matters.

Maybe this is too much money but it does seem, in principle, consistent with U.S. policy since 1954.


52 posted on 05/08/2007 9:47:35 AM PDT by gondramB (God only has ten rules, uncle Hank, and he has a much bigger house.)
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To: WesternPacific

>>This $135 million is close to the local Guam government’s operating deficit and needed amount to balance its budget. What is interesting is the Supreme Court just decided a case that went against Guam’s governor wish to borrow large amounts of monies. This government will be declared bankrupt in the near future and the US taxpayers will have to bail it out anyway.<<

But its not clear that this money would go to the government in Guam - I think its additional money. But you make a good point about the size of the amount.


53 posted on 05/08/2007 9:49:05 AM PDT by gondramB (God only has ten rules, uncle Hank, and he has a much bigger house.)
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Anything going to Guam will go through the local Government somehow. The local gov. will set up a department to validate people’s claims for the money. Same thing happened when the Feds. allowed Fed. controlled land to go back to the locals.


54 posted on 05/08/2007 10:00:12 AM PDT by WesternPacific
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To: WesternPacific

>>Anything going to Guam will go through the local Government somehow. The local gov. will set up a department to validate people’s claims for the money. Same thing happened when the Feds. allowed Fed. controlled land to go back to the locals.<<

Its souns like you know a lot mnore about Guam than I do so I’ll defer to you there.

However, Foreign Claims Settlement Commission money is supposed to go directly the effected individuals. These things take a long time. It wasn’t until 1995 that we finally paid the Americans effected when communists took Albania in 1945. And it wasn’t until 1998 that Germany paid us back for money we distributed in the 50’s.

This new amount is really large, though. There is something odd going on. The Albanian money in 1995 was only a couple of million.


55 posted on 05/08/2007 10:08:11 AM PDT by gondramB (God only has ten rules, uncle Hank, and he has a much bigger house.)
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To: enough_idiocy

Sorry, but we actually signed a treaty with Japan regarding this. We assumed responsibility for payments.
Naturally, this was a Democrat President, Truman.
But, since Guam can’t make any claims against Japan, we have to pay.
Given the behavior of the Japanese during WWII, $126 million is probably pretty cheap.


56 posted on 05/08/2007 10:14:10 AM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: if his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: enough_idiocy
It’s all part of the great compromise.....................

There will be many more of these wealth transfer initiatives that will benefit democrats either personally or politically.

Any rational person would realize that these sorts of spending bills are wrong for a number of reasons.

Yet many of them will be signed into law, along with subsequent earmarks, by a republican lame-duck president..............................................

In exchange for “emergency” “war-cost” funding that does not include any strings.

Yep, both sides will posture and make threats and accusations before quietly satisfying their own agendas behind closed doors.

wait and see...................

( of course I hope I’m wrong...... )

57 posted on 05/08/2007 10:23:22 AM PDT by WhiteGuy (GOP Congress - 16,000 earmarks costing US $50 billion in 2006 - PAUL2008)
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Apparently the buck didn’t stop at Truman.


58 posted on 05/08/2007 3:22:01 PM PDT by kcar (Victory is the best exit strategy.)
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To: WesternPacific

You sound like a local.

The time I spent on Guam was perhaps the best education I could ever have had in just how badly even the most effective part of the American government—the military—can f things up. That island is an oligarchic kleptocracy. And notwithstanding the efforts of some here to claim American innocence for Guam’s ills, we sure didn’t provide them with a good example of how good government is run or elected. Just imagine the years in which we showed them how bureaucracy is supposed to run (1950-1970) and how government is supposed to run (1950-1980). Not that it helped having us dump the some of most corrupt Vietnamese and Filipinos on the island, after the fall of Saigon and the rise of Corey Aquino, either.

That place reminded me of Miami—without the art deco charm.


59 posted on 05/11/2007 6:30:07 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile (If ‘He can win,’ is your first defense, obviously, that’s his one plus--not his conservatism.)
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To: enough_idiocy; All
Just got off the phone with my congressman’s office (Connie Mack) and he said that this bill passed, 288 to 133. It now goes to the Senate where it is in committee. They will decide either to attach to another bill, not vote on it, or put out as a separate bill.

CALL your Senator and tell him or her you are against this bill. If Congress wants monies to be paid to the Guam residents for actions caused by Japan, they should contact Japan. Send the monies from this bill to the tornado victims.

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2007/roll309.xml

60 posted on 05/14/2007 8:53:25 AM PDT by bobsunshine
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Thanks for the update.


61 posted on 05/14/2007 8:37:04 PM PDT by enough_idiocy (Just like against terrorism, in politics you can't be on the defensive all the time!!!!)
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