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To much of the Muslim world, American culture is the culprit
Seattle Times ^ | April 18, 2007 | Bruce Ramsey

Posted on 05/08/2007 2:14:08 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

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To: David Isaac
Abu Gharib was nothing more than a couple of perverts, with a couple of accomplices who were granted sexual favors, getting their jollies.

I can answer you why with just a minor change: You could easily of written: "The MSM is nothing more than a couple of perverts, with a couple of accomplices who were granted sexual favors, getting their jollies.

21 posted on 05/08/2007 3:17:21 AM PDT by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Everyone wants a simple answer; but sometimes there isn't a simple answer)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
(note that far more Muslims are dying in Iraq at the hands of other Muslims than the casualties being inflicted on US personnel) then you might not be very vocal in publically denouncing them either.

This then is the very reason that they should be standing up for themselves and it seems that some in Iraq are finally learning that lesson.

The neighborly Samaritan had compassion for the “man fallen among thieves”, and took care of him.

And that is what we are doing by supporting the troops who are there to protect them. There are many ways to help the Samaritan.

22 posted on 05/08/2007 3:20:22 AM PDT by patj
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
“No doubt if the jihadi beheaders
get nukes or similar WMD they will attempt to emulate
our country’s past behavior”

I would hope so, but I know they wont. We were quite judicious rather than indiscriminate. The Japanese were committing horrendous war atrocities. We gave them ample warning to exit Hiroshima and Nagasaki, cities that were supplying their war machine so that they could bayonet and behead defenseless old men and babies. People in China, Korea, Philippines, and American POW's would have to disagree with your statement that the bombings of japan were indiscriminate.

23 posted on 05/08/2007 3:20:45 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
No, however our country has been known to use nukes and area bombing to level entire cities, men, women, and children.

There's nothing to be ashamed of; it's not original sin. We also ended fanatical regimes hell bent on enslaving the earth without killing millions. You should be proud of the sacrifices your country made for the life you enjoy instead of lamenting the demise of a bloodthirsty empires.
24 posted on 05/08/2007 3:26:41 AM PDT by Thrownatbirth (.....when the sidewalks are safe for the little guy.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

Useful idiots, would be more accurate, for me anyway. I mean that exactly the way that Lenin used the term. Mona Charen also does a nice job with it, in the book of the same title (which I have on order right now).


25 posted on 05/08/2007 3:28:12 AM PDT by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Good post. "God Bless America" is not an irrevocable contract. This nation has spit in the face of God for years and we are seeing the slow withdrawal of His blessing.

For starters, we allow the slaughter of the innocents (abortion and euthanasia).

26 posted on 05/08/2007 3:30:30 AM PDT by don-o (We are "THEY")
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

BS. The muslim culture always blames everyone and everything else instead of looking at their violent, barbaric belief system.


27 posted on 05/08/2007 3:35:24 AM PDT by tkathy (Those who appease always get more killed than those who stand up to barbarism)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Your post has an strong ring of truth to it. It wouldn’t surprise me if that wasn’t exactly what happened.


28 posted on 05/08/2007 3:36:13 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (DemocraticUnderground.com is an internet hate site.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

“May” be?


29 posted on 05/08/2007 3:38:25 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: lentulusgracchus

“Your exercise in moral equivocation is beginning to annoy me.”

Moral equivalence? No. Immoral equivalence - - -perhaps.
In no way does the past immorality of an enemy justify one’s own future immorality, so Osama can take his bogus fatwas and stuff them where the sun don’t shine as far as I’m concerned. If we can take him out, along with those who follow his doctrines, excellent.

“One, we did not engage in indiscriminate slaughter of civilians during World War II.”

Perhaps. In fact your case is made very well here:
http://www.claremont.org/publications/pubid.699/pub_detail.asp

However, area bombing of targets with munitions as imprecise as WWII bombs, and the (admittedly lower casualty) nuclear attacks on the Japanese cities is indiscriminate, regardless of the military doctrines that theoretically (but not practically) control their delivery. One can make a good case (as above) that, given the military and political objectives of the combatants, even more bloody carnage would have ensued if these methods had not been used. In the end they may have been “relatively justified”. Habbakuk attempts to use such an argument; it doesn’t wash. The Lord sends the Chaldeans anyway.

Historical parallels are slippery things. I hope this one fails, but see no good reason to expect that it will. Like Habbakuk, however, I will keep looking (Hab 4:17-19)


30 posted on 05/08/2007 3:41:01 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: David Isaac
” a woman in the service, in the wrong place, than anything else”

Heresy!!! Blasphemy!!! (But dead on target true!)

31 posted on 05/08/2007 3:42:43 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: lentulusgracchus
"Pretty serious stakes, to be concerned about Arab cultural sensitivities. It would all have stayed in the prison, too, if some idiot hadn't taken photos......and Mary Mapes, rabid Bush-hater and left-wing ideologue, got her hands on them."

You are right, if this detail had been placed in the hands of some people who had been concerned about our country's best interests instead of in the hands of some low rent trailer trash with uniforms and cameras, this wouldn't have become the issue it did. I always thought that low rent Lyndie should have been shot for stupidity. Who in their right mind assigned this task to a feminazi brigadier general? New Tone my patoot. Any means fair or foul to defeat the islamic filth.

32 posted on 05/08/2007 3:43:15 AM PDT by RushLake (Democrats have never met a terrorist they didn't like.)
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To: patj

“This then is the very reason that they should be standing up for themselves and it seems that some in Iraq are finally learning that lesson.”

“And that is what we are doing by supporting the troops who are there to protect them. There are many ways to help the Samaritan.”

= = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =

I agree.


33 posted on 05/08/2007 3:43:54 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: tkathy

“BS. The muslim culture always blames everyone and everything else instead of looking at their violent, barbaric belief system.”

It is quite true that a certain kind of “social conservative” is blind to their own failings and compulsively engaged in shifting blame for all their ills on those they despise for failing to live up to their own righteous standards. It is also true that this is epidemic in Islamic culture, and their own scriptures give them little relief from the disease, in fact encourage it in many ways. Have you ever met such people in our own culture? There are still a few of them around, I think. At least I meet quite a few of them. Check out MoveOn.org. The place is infested with them. A few around here too.

Aren’t you glad that we have such correctives as Matt 6:14 and 7:2-5, Luke 18:9-14, and Rom 12:17-21 to fall back on?


34 posted on 05/08/2007 3:54:32 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Pontificating on moral equivalence while enjoying the luxury of the freedoms secured by the WWII service men who you label as indiscriminate killers. Sweet!
35 posted on 05/08/2007 3:56:19 AM PDT by PA-RIVER
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To: PA-RIVER

I would be willing to bet, that instances similar to this (involving women where common sense dictates thay should not be), in the military, as well as public service (private too, for that matter), are more subject to censorship than the most vital national security issues.

And, once again, the big question has to be, WHY?


36 posted on 05/08/2007 3:59:14 AM PDT by David Isaac (Duncan Hunter '08)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
..government funded unbiased news network...oxymoron...

Bingo.

The news network would be biased in favor of the government.

37 posted on 05/08/2007 4:07:45 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.)
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To: PA-RIVER

“We gave them ample warning to exit Hiroshima and Nagasaki”

Osama and his freak show companions are giving all the righteous “fair warning” to leave the “Great Satan” pronto, or at least stay away from population centers in the “Great Satan”. So, I suppose you will be retiring to your rural retreat any time now, as you heed their warning? If not, then according to your argument, “you’ve got it coming” if they manage to infiltrate some WMD to “a town near you” and take you out in the resulting mass atrocity.

Your enemy’s past immoralities are not an adequate ground for your future immoralities, though that is a common ploy in all ages. The victims of Japanese atrocities have a legitimate greivance against their assailants.

Our current adversaries do not make a distinction between “civilians” and “combatants”. We are all fair game to them. Do you agree with this practice? Your argument certainly sounds like it.


38 posted on 05/08/2007 4:09:42 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

I must have a defective Bible. It only goes up to Habakkuk 3.


39 posted on 05/08/2007 4:11:27 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.)
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit

IIRC, references to it being a “prank” were made in relation to what went on at Abu Gharib under Hussein or in Castro’s Cuba. I recall there being a strong consensus for the prosecution of Lynndie and her cohorts.


40 posted on 05/08/2007 4:13:50 AM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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