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To much of the Muslim world, American culture is the culprit
Seattle Times ^ | April 18, 2007 | Bruce Ramsey

Posted on 05/08/2007 2:14:08 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Your enemy’s past immoralities are not an adequate ground for your future immoralities, though that is a common ploy in all ages.

Excellent. It's certainly not a popular sentiment, but the truth - the absolute truth usually is not all that popular. Well said.

41 posted on 05/08/2007 4:14:26 AM PDT by don-o (We are "THEY")
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To: RushLake
Any means fair or foul to defeat the islamic filth.

I like, therefore I steal :) So below is my last use of my old tagline!

42 posted on 05/08/2007 4:15:05 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (To crush your enemies, to see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of the women.)
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To: PA-RIVER

“Pontificating on moral equivalence while enjoying the luxury of the freedoms secured by the WWII service men who you label as indiscriminate killers. Sweet!”

Some of my relatives fought in that war, and I’m proud of their contributions to victory. I’m also aware of arguments like this:
http://www.claremont.org/publications/pubid.699/pub_detail.asp

For the rest, check some of my other responses. I begin to repeat myself.


43 posted on 05/08/2007 4:15:50 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: ExGeeEye

“I must have a defective Bible. It only goes up to Habakkuk 3.”

No, I have defective fingers. Try Hab 3:17-19.


44 posted on 05/08/2007 4:17:47 AM PDT by Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Actual, "cultural conservatives" and Islamic fundamentalists have one thing in common, and it may be the most important thing: they want the government to control the culture, enforcing their standards on the general population. The difference is degree.

The reason American culture is so powerful is the same reason the American economy is so powerful. It's the first true "popular culture", based on the preferences of individuals (and the power of the marketplace) instead of the dictates of an imposed "elite".

-Eric

45 posted on 05/08/2007 4:25:22 AM PDT by E Rocc (Myspace "Freepers" group moderator)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
“There is quite a spectrum between bikini and burka.”

Obviously you are correct. My comments were tongue in cheek. I was just trying to point out that even if we fixed those aspects of our culture that are definitively crass, immoral, and demeaning to our humanity we would still be unacceptable to much of the Muslim world. What we fix we should fix because it is right to do so; not to assuage the sensibilities of a culture that thinks it’s OK to murder people and claim it’s justified by God.

46 posted on 05/08/2007 4:32:57 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

“What the female American soldier in uniform did to the Arab man, strip him of his manhood and pull him on a leash, this is what America wants to do to the Muslim world.”

Pretty much,yeah.


47 posted on 05/08/2007 4:50:18 AM PDT by BigCinBigD (You "abort" bad missile launches and carrier landings. Not babies.)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

responding to an unprovoked attack on american soil with the force of nuclear weapons by a nation state.

exactly the response warranted in this fight against radical islamofascists.

but only if you wanted to save american civilian and military lives now, and to pre-empt them in the future.

the only way to control muslim radicals is to put america’s boot on their throat with extreme prejudice.


48 posted on 05/08/2007 5:21:07 AM PDT by Enduring Freedom (my axis of evil includes democrats and liberal media)
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To: Hardastarboard; lentulusgracchus
Your post has an strong ring of truth to it.

More the smell of farmyard cowplop about it, finding excuses for Grainer and his REMF cronies.

49 posted on 05/08/2007 5:23:03 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy ("Caesar - he is a barbarian and considers that the customs of his tribe are the laws of Nature")
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To: Leisler

“manhood” to an Islamist is defined by how much you can oppress and control women and those weaker than yourself.


50 posted on 05/08/2007 5:26:29 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
We keep being lectured to about this great silent majority of non-radical Muslims to whom American cultural conservatism is supposed to appeal. So why is the only person speaking for them an Indian-Portuguese Christian? If these people won’t stand up and speak for themselves even in Detroit, what hope is there that they will do so in the Middle East?
51 posted on 05/08/2007 6:07:02 AM PDT by BlazingArizona
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To: FreedomPoster
bumping for later comment

An American Expat in Southeast Asia

52 posted on 05/08/2007 6:10:05 AM PDT by expatguy (http://laotze.blogspot.com/)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
Why do they hate us? — he argues plausibly that their objection is our spreading of an immoral culture.

Bull. They hate us because we don't believe there is one God and Muhammed is His prophet. We are Infidels. - tom

53 posted on 05/08/2007 6:12:14 AM PDT by Capt. Tom (Don't confuse the Bushies with the dumb Republicans - Capt. Tom)
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To: Stepan12
You are correct. The entire upbringing of most Arab children is infused with sexual abuse, especially boys. It's no wonder they spend the rest of their lives in a state of vengeance, seeking to sate the insatiable, be it lust or rage.

I pity them.

That said, there will never be a way to placate them, much less expect peaceful coexistence with anyone until a cycle is broken that begins in the home. It is a task for which no nation possesses the wherewithal; hell, we can't run our own schools worth a damn.

I don't like our chances, but the alternatives are worse.

54 posted on 05/08/2007 6:13:04 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek
What is not mentioned here is that we take notice of our failings and at least try to do something about them.

After Saddam’s fall, hundreds of thousands of his victims - men, women and children - were discovered in mass graves throughout Iraq.

Almost everyone in Iraq had some member of his or her family killed by Saddam.

The leash was hardly a crime of enormity. It was purported to be that by the very accessories to Saddam's mass killings - and of course by the media for its own variety of terrorism.

55 posted on 05/08/2007 6:36:18 AM PDT by mtntop3
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To: Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit
Too bad the chances of ever agreeing to have a government funded unbiased news network would be pretty much nil. That may be an oxymoron anyway.

I don't want a government funded news network, biased or not. It is and oxymoron, but that's besides the point. It's not the proper role of government to be in the news business.

56 posted on 05/08/2007 7:00:38 AM PDT by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

I’m getting a little tired of the Muslims blaming Western culture for all their ills. I’m a conservative Christian, and I don’t like the vast majority of our popular culture. So what do I do? I turn it off. I don’t let it into my home. I homeschool my kids. I live by my values and teach them to my children. And the Muslims are perfectly free to do the same.

Instead, they wallow in our popular culture and then fault us for its existence. The 9/11 hijackers were hanging out in a strip bar a few nights before the attack. Muslims expose themselves to our popular culture, then turn around and try to use it against us. “America made me do it” is the reasoning of a child, and it’s time for the Muslim world to grow up.

I’m not buying it, and I’m pretty sick of other Americans who do. I’m sick of the media with their constant refrain of “why do they hate us” as though somehow America is to blame for the pervasive Middle Eastern discord and dysfunction which has been around since the dawn of time. The “it’s our fault” mantra coming from liberal Americans always reminds me of a beaten wife who blames herself for making her abusive husband mad. There’s no excuse for terror, and it’s time for us to stop accepting the blame.

I absolutely reject the moral equivalency the writer of this article is trying to make between conservative Christians and conservative Muslims. When Hollywood makes yet another disgusting movie, Christians pass the word amongst themselves and avoid it. When artists defame Christ or the Virgin Mary, Christians protest. They boycott, they write an op ed, they complain on Free Republic. They don’t behead the artists. They don’t issue fatwas calling for the death of authors who write anti-Christian books. The author says that conservative Christians should have stood up for Muslims over the Danish cartoon incident. Is he actually suggesting that Christians should have stood shoulder to shoulder with Muslims calling for the death of a cartoonist? Earth to Seattle Times—that’s not how Christians act.


57 posted on 05/08/2007 7:29:47 AM PDT by LadyNavyVet
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

Ther only reason the Abu Ghraib photos were leaked to a willing Democrat accomplice and the media is because one of the uncles of one of the perps was trying to “negotiate” (read as BLACKMAIL) the US government to plea bargain him down to a lesser charge.

Self-preservation at the cost of our troops. Isn’t it wonderful that little s#!t sullied the reputation of America to try to save his own ass?

But we had the Egyptian newspaper that ran porn site photos of “evidence” of “US soldiers” “raping” “Iraqi women”. And that occurred BEFORE the Abu Ghraib story broke.

You also have the riot in Turkey where a radical lib’s essay on “America raping the muslim world” was taken literally.

They loathe America already. Consider it the lynch mobs that hated black men and all they needed was the rumor that he’d raped a white woman to justify their violence.

Don’t try to rationalize their actions. They are Islamic supremacists hellbent on expanding the Islamic empire.


58 posted on 05/08/2007 7:53:21 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: LadyNavyVet

Sing it, Sister! Great post!


59 posted on 05/08/2007 9:49:42 AM PDT by ishabibble (ALL AMERICAN INFIDEL)
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To: Blue_Ridge_Mtn_Geek

Perverted it was. No doubt.


60 posted on 05/08/2007 10:24:33 AM PDT by stinkerpot65
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