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Posted on 05/08/2007 2:17:24 PM PDT by WestCoastGal
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Todd Berrier on the COT.
Q: How’s the Car of Tomorrow going to play at Darlington this weekend?
Berrier: How’s the COT going to play at Darlington? I really think, at the end of a fuel run, you’ll be able to go out there and run faster in a rental car. I’m being perfectly honest with you.
I think it’s going to be miserably slow. But, I don’t honestly know. I think the race at Phoenix, where we were at another mile place; I think it was rather boring from my perspective.
Then I watched the Busch race at Richmond [last] Friday night and I thought it was rather good. I’m hoping the same thing plays out for [the Car of Tomorrow] — the thing is just so top-heavy and the center of gravity is so high.
There’s nothing about it that you would build, intentionally that way to go to Darlington and run fast — or anyplace else, for that matter. Darlington is just going to be way worse because the tires fall off so much.
I feel like it’s going to be miserable — miserably ugly. But I might be 100 percent wrong.
I went to the race this past weekend at Richmond..I was the guy in the baseball hat sittin on the backstretch just before turn 3..didja’ll see me?? ROFL
Saw a really good looking guy sitting there. Should have known it was a FReeper :-)
ROFL..I have a face built for radio..:-)
PING TO Darlington Race thread........
Because of the tracks unwieldy shape, Darlington Raceway has been considered one of the most difficult tracks to drive. Winning at Darlington means that you possess exceptional skills behind the wheel. The track has been nicknamed The Lady In Black, and dubbed the track Too Tough To Tame.
You never forget your first love, seven-time Cup Champion Dale Earnhardt once said, whether its a high school sweetheart, a faithful old hunting dog, or a fickle racetrack in South Carolina with a contrary disposition. And, if you happen to be a race car driver theres no victory so sweet, so memorable, as whipping Darlington Raceway.
Check out this link: HERE
Seems some are worried that Hendrick Motor Sports is 'winning too much'... Wonder how HELTON thinks? Would Nascar complain about the NYYankees winning several World Series in a row???
Dunno if I can stand to see Team Hendrick’s 8th win of the year.
We all thought BRISTOL’s first COT encounter was going to be a wreckfest, but the cars handled so horribly that it was hard to get ‘racey’ with them.
I suspect the same thing this weekend???
I suspect the same thing this weekend???
They may still handle horribly, but Darlington is a handling track, and that wall is closer than ever because the COT is wider than the current-generation cars.
My thoughts are that Hendrick has tested many, many, many more times than every one else. That is a fact and the other teams can only blame themselves. I blame Teresa for not putting the money into this effort, DEI has practiced very little........if I remember correctly they didn’t even have a finished car until December for crying out loud.
“”They say that Hendrick’s have almost 100 days of testing in the COT car ... we’ve spent nine days testing,” Biffle said.”
” Earnhardt, mired in contract talks with struggling Dale Earnhardt Inc., had a twinge of jealousy in his voice while explaining that Hendrick has used several different test drivers this season to gather data. Max Papis, David Green and 17-year-old development driver Landon Cassill have all logged considerable hours with the Chevrolet Impala for Hendrick.”
They’ve got a lot of resources. They’ve got a great company, two, three really good cars every week, great crew chiefs. They’ve really got the package right now,” Earnhardt said. “Their cars, they handle pretty good. They’re getting through the center of the corner better with the COT, and that’s just because they test the hell out of it.
“I hear rumors they got Max Papis and road race guys at Sonoma testing and testing and testing and testing.” [that’s true]
Asked if DEI could keep up, Earnhardt didn’t pause.
“No. Not many teams can do that,” he said. “There are a few that can do that, but not many. They put a lot back into their race teams, you know what I mean?” [yes Jr we know what you mean $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$]
Did you see the special tires they put on it to get it to fit in the hauler?
Not directly. Don't think Roush has that problem because of how they configured their haulers (or at least that's what Robot said last week).
I live just a few miles from Michigan international speedway. My neighbor’s brother in law is a former ARCA and occasional Busch series driver (Bill Ebersole). Ebersole is the president of the Track Time driving school at MIS but I’ve never done it.
My first trp to Darlington - I can’t wait.
Outstanding! Great pic there... I probably wouldn’t sleep for a day from the adrenaline rush from that. You of course asked Shaun if you could give er a spin, eh?
And, you did stop at Dreamland-BBQ for ribs afterwards, right?
I was rushing so hard from the ride, all I could say was "Thanks Shaun!", and shake his hand, just before I almost fell down upon exiting the car .........
Great pic and story! I don’t know what you had to do or to pay for that ride, but it sounds like it was more than worth it!
Yes it’s zipping right along, I hope the racing gets better. Nascar is losing fans right and left lately.
For those who used to watch INC.......
In the host chair sits the loneliest man in North America. Dave Despain has been universally blamed for “ruining” this show, hating NASCAR, and almost anything else that fans can think of. A veteran announcer in a true no-win situation, Despain once had WindTunnel on live every night and was the “Larry King” of SPEED. Then, management left racing and skewed to the hip-hop “NOPI” culture, the “reality” entertainment genre, and an endless string of poorly conceived NASCAR “theme” shows. WindTunnel was traded for Pinks, Unique Whips, and NASCAR Nation. Former all-star Despain was traded to Inside NEXTEL Cup. Roger Clemens had been sent to The Toledo Mud Hens.
Predictions For Darlington?
Amy: Jimmie Johnson.
Toni: Jeff Gordon.
Tom: Gordon in a romp.
Tommy: Tony Stewart.
Tony: I think RCR is showing strength at the CoT races, and Jeff Burton will return to his old self.
Matt T.: Believe it or not, Im tempted to say Ryan Newman. But not that tempted Jeff Gordon.
Vito: Jeff Gordon. Darlington will make a ton of money on recyclables that breach the fence afterwards once that happens. I like that Ryan Newman pick though. I almost was going to pick him.
Tommy: Gordons a good bet though. That guy can flat out drive that track!
Vito: Well, Im picking Gordon based on his past success and the inability of anyone to pass a Hendrick car on a CoT track yet.
Tommy: If Newman isn t out front whats the line on him wrecking Montoya?
Matt T.: 7-2.
Vito: Maybe Juan Pablo will return the favor.
Tom: Honestly, Juan Pablo may just wreck on his own. Remember, this is the track Too Tough To Tame and with the CoT being hard to drive, Im sure well see a usual share of wrecks.
Matt T.: Speaking of which, my Derby pick came in DEAD LAST.
Vito: If I had a Kentucky Derby horse, I would name him Elmer.
Matt T.: Id name him Stud.
Amy: Elmer Stud?
Vito: Nah, Elmers Glue Factory. Quarter horse 3/4 dog food, 1/4 glue.
Tom: Ahhh the Horse of Tomorrow.
Soooooooo anyone wanting to pick up places FRFL pick someone other than Jeff. [if you dare] :)
setting up for a 9:00 am press conferrance at JR Motorsports for tomorrow and the rumor is that JR & Truex will run 2008 for JR Motorsports.
I’m guessing this is Busch???? Martin has another year on his contract at DEI in Cup anyway???
Dale Jr. & Truex to JR Motorsports? Dave Moody reported on Wednesday afternoon’s Sirius Speedway that Dale Earnhardt Jr. will announce tomorrow at JR Motorsports, that both he and #1-Martin Truex, Jr. will drive in the Nextel Cup Series for JR Motorsports in 2008. Hendrick Motorsports will provide engines for the team. A press conference is reportedly planned for 9:30am/et at JR Motorsports headquarters.
Rumor or fact.....it’s flying hot and heavy now. Hang on to your hats [your 8 hats]
3 laps at Talladega is 125 $ plus tax ..... it was 133$. And, yes, worth every penny! Here's the link to the Petty Experience.
GONE GONE GONE PRESS CONFERENCE TOMORROW.
Report: Junior to drive for JR Motorsports in 2008
May 9, 2007
06:42 PM EDT
Members of the media have been invited to a Thursday morning news conference at the JR Motorsports race shop in Mooresville, N.C. However, details of the conference were not provided, lending speculation that it may involve his contract negotiations with Dale Earnhardt Inc.
Dave Moody reported Wednesday afternoon on Sirius Speedway that speculation is Junior and Martin Truex Jr. will drive Nextel Cup cars under the JR Motorsports banner in 2008 with Hendrick Motorsports providing engines.
SPEED will interrupt regularly scheduled programming to go live from the JR Motorsports race shop at 11 a.m. ET for the news conference.
Just think about the commercial HE CHANGED HIS NUMBER!!!!
I'll bet he takes the #8 with him........
It’s up to Nascar but I can’t see them turning him down on that. :)
Up to Nascar??
And Jayski has this.,. Who owns the Nextel Cup car numbers? NASCAR owns and assigns car numbers to an owner(s). NASCAR reserves the right to revoke or transfer car numbers to another owner/team at any time. Car numbers are non-assignable and non-transferable, except by NASCAR. NASCAR works with teams and sponsors when a specific number is requested. If duplication of numbers occur, which usually happens with the part-time teams, the fastest qualifier usually gets to use the number unless one team is considered full-time. In 2002, the #27 was used by Scott Wimmer for Bill Davis Racing and by Kirk Shelmerdine, both part time, however, Wimmer was listed in the #27 and Shelmerdine in the #`172 and when they attempted the same races, Wimmer got to use the #27 and Shelmerdine ran the #72, so NASCAR uses it's judgement in deciding who runs the number.(9-6-1999/9-17/2003)
Earnhardt Jr. leaving DEI
By Jerry Bonkowski, Yahoo! Sports
May 9, 2007
Dale Earnhardt Jr. officially will say goodbye to Dale Earnhardt Inc. on Thursday morning, Yahoo! Sports has learned.
A highly placed source within DEI as well as additional sources familiar with the situation told Yahoo! Sports on Wednesday afternoon that both Junior and teammate Martin Truex Jr. will announce Thursday morning that they are leaving the DEI camp at the end of this season and will drive for Earnhardt’s heretofore Busch Series operation, JR Motorsports.
Sirius Radio also reported late Wednesday afternoon that the Earnhardt/Truex split with DEI was a done deal and that the new Cup team entry will field Chevrolet chassis built by Hendrick Motorsports and will use Hendrick engines as well.
Sources tell Yahoo! Sports that Earnhardt Jr.’s primary sponsor, Budweiser, will follow Junior to JR Motorsports. Budweiser’s contract with DEI is due to expire at the end of 2008, but Yahoo! Sports sources believe there are provisions within the contract for an early exit if Earnhardt Jr. does not drive the No. 8 Chevrolet for DEI.
The press conference, which is expected to be televised nationally, will take place at JR Motorsports headquarters in Mooresville, N.C., at 11 a.m. ET on Thursday.
There has been no comment thus far from either DEI president Teresa Earnhardt (Dale Jr.’s stepmother) or company director of global operations Max Siegel.
That's not necessarily true. Owners have more say so in that than does NASCAR. If you remember, just last year, Sterling got the rights to the #14 from a previous owner. NASCAR has no say so in the #3....Childress does. Same when Bill got #9 back when he went to Evernham.
When you really look at this, NASCAR basically agrees to whatever certain owners agree to do with the numbers. If one owner agrees to let another have a number, even if he has registered for it, NASCAR won’t say no. That was basically what I meant in my last post.
Okay, so let’s say I’m comfy with the Truex and Jr thing. What do you suppose Teresa’s up to with her team? Where’s the rumor mill on that?
Oh, and BTW, thanks for the updates! I love these threads.
So...Teresa is going to sully the DEI legacy?
I never did like her.
If she were smart, she’d just give it all to Jr.
She’s worth a billion$ or so anyway.
And this speaks volumes from Tony Jr....
“I’m interested in going with him,” Eury Jr. told FOXSports.com on Wednesday. “He takes care of his people. Whether it’s a pat on the back or ways to entertain them, he takes care of everyone around him. Much like the way people are treated at Hendrick Motorsports. Junior does the same thing. Owners who don’t treat their people well suffer.”
I stopped in at a local FBO this morning and the talk was about Darlington. One of the pilots had his laptop out and showed me these two websites.
Be sure to check the home page at http://discussions.flightaware.com/ There’s lots of good stuff there.
Thanks I follow him a lot through that. He has one plane that I know of and the tail number they were talking about is unknown to me.?
He was in Georgia today, probably a commercial for the track.
Yes I’m a stalker. lol /not
It’s a news nightmare!!
Whirling and swirling.
Clare B on XM radio said........
She reiterated what David Poole posted... that he will announce that he is leaving but nothing specific. Free agency only???
She believes that Teresa will immediately try to recruit the biggest name possible to replace him. [Who in the heck could that be, there is no one bigger that’s available and would put themselves in that mess]?? Is there?
Regrettably, Nascar has lost a lot of fans.
I've been a fan for over twenty years. The over-hyped commercialism and over riding sponsor interests, selective rule enforcement, and predominance of certain "wimpy" drivers has caused me (and I suspect) many fans to question why this wonderful "down to earth" sport has changed so dramatically.
I have found myself doin other stuff rather than watching because of changes that don't relate to fan interest. Driver character and personal values are most important to me, not the glitz and ego that seem to prevail.
Dave Despain has had the courage to question some of the stuff that has been going on, including questionable late race caution flags. We don't get that truth from many other commentators who are paid by Nascar or the broadcast stations.
I would imagine that the “Nascar Changing Tail Numbers”
thread is a good one to keep the link to if you are interested in what type of planes these guys are flying in.
It started back in September and is still active.
My money says Biffle, though I will note I'm putting only a dime on that one. It would be the perfect elegant solution for Roush to pare down to 4 teams since he'll be hunting for sponsors for the #16 (again) after this year.
As for Jr's chassis/engine choice, that speaks volumes for precisely what the top tier of this sport has come to (and that's all I will say here).
Yes it’s very interesting, I actually didn’t know they had a discussion area. :)
Tony Stewart may have taken a lot of heat for speaking out on the caution deal, but I bet he got Nascar’s attention.
The COT was supposed to give us side by side racing, so far it hasn’t. I guess we will have to wait and see how it does in the next races, the Dega COT race should be interesting to say the least.
Well, I wouldn’t say Biffle is a BIG name.
DEI cannot ever be successful without Jr. JMO.. They haven’t been so far because they did not put the effort into the racing portion of the company. That’s been the biggest problem and why Jr wanted 51% but not with a board of directors and a Yates/Ford issue on top of it.