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A Mysterious Killer of Honeybees Threatens Our Food Supply
Second Opinion Newsletter ^ | NA | Dr. robert Rowen M.D

Posted on 05/08/2007 4:25:15 PM PDT by dvan

Albert Einstein once said, “If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would have only four years of life left.” Why? Because without bees, plants don’t get pollinated. Without pollination, say goodbye to fruit, nuts, and some vegetables. We also won’t have natural oils (such as olive oil, sunflower oil, hemp oil, etc.). And we don’t have many natural fibers, such as cotton.

You can see how important the bee is to our livelihood and existence. Some economists say the bee is worth about $14 billion to our economy.

That’s why I was so alarmed to read the latest statistics from the American Beekeeper Federation. According to their latest report, there’s been an unexplained collapse of beehives in the country, with entire colonies being wiped out.

“During the last three months of 2006, we began to receive reports from commercial beekeepers of an alarming number of honey bee colonies dying in the eastern United States,” says Maryann Frazier, apiculture extension associate at Penn State University. While the problem didn’t start last year – it’s been going on for several years – it is getting progressively worse. And it’s not limited to the East Coast any more.

“Since the beginning of the year,” she continued, “beekeepers from all over the country have been reporting unprecedented losses. The losses are staggering: one beekeeper lost 11,000 of his 13,000 colonies; another 700 of 900; another 2,500 of 3,500; another virtually all of his 10,000.” The problem is so large, beekeepers are starting to wonder if their industry can survive.

Frazier calls the die off “Colony Collapse Disorder” or CCD. What could be causing CCD? Dennis van Engelsdorp is acting state apiarist with the Pennsylvania Department of Agriculture. He says, “Preliminary work has identified several likely factors that could be causing or contributing to [the die off]. Among them are mites and associated diseases, some unknown pathogenic disease and pesticide contamination or poisoning.”

In other words, they don’t know what’s killing the bees. There’s an “unknown” killer of honeybees that threatens the nation’s entire food supply. Yes, pesticides, disease, and mites probably play a role. But there’s an underlying cause of CCD that nobody’s willing to talk about. It can lead directly to the death of the bees. Or it can weaken the bees enough that they are more susceptible to the pesticides, disease, and mites. Let me explain.

We’ve see evidence of a die off here in California. We have some very nice, mature peach and plum trees in our backyard. When I first moved to California in 2001, these trees produced wonderful fruit every year.

But something strange began in my third year here. The larger of the two peach trees did not fruit at all. And the plums soon petered out as well. The trees looked healthy, but I was mystified. They had produced awesome displays of blossoms in the spring. “Why didn’t they fruit out?” I wondered.

As I write this, it’s early spring, and the trees are in full bloom. But something’s missing. I’ve gone out for hours each day and the bees that should be prancing in the pollen – just aren’t there! Last year, our mature olive tree produced only one olive, in contrast to buckets of olives two years before. My neighbor also has fruit trees. He told me he’s seeing the same thing. “We should have bees all over our property right now,” he told me. “This year, none.”

Afraid we would lose an entire year of fruit production, I went into the Santa Rosa farmer’s market to ask for some help from a local beekeeper and honey distributor. He said his bees had not suffered nearly as much as everyone else’s.

“What’s the difference?” I asked. He said, “most beekeepers feed their bees a ‘sugar water’ syrup, but I don’t feed mine that.”

Here’s the rub: “Sugar water” nowadays means high fructose corn syrup. And nearly 100% of non-organic corn is genetically modified (GM)!

Most genetically modified corn contains Bt genes. Bt is a pesticide. Its gene is inserted into corn DNA so the corn can produce Bt to kill bugs that eat the corn.

But this couldn’t explain the widespread loss of bees. Not all beekeepers feed their bees. And bees don’t pollinate corn. So all of them aren’t dying from genetically modified corn or corn sweetener.

What about flowering plants they do visit, such as cotton? The Bangkok Post on November 17, 1997 reported some worrisome news. Some 30% of bees in the vicinity of a trial of Bt cotton in Thailand died.

Picking up on this, a leading German zoologist conducted a four-year study on bees picking up pollen from genetically modified rapeseed (aka canola oil). Professor Hans-Hinrich Kaatz then examined the microorganisms in the intestinal tubes of the young bees. He found that when the bee ingested the alien gene, the gene that was in the pollen was transferred to bacteria living inside its gut.

His quote is alarming: “The results indicate that we must assume that changes take place in the intestinal tubes of people and animals. The crossover of microorganisms takes place and people’s make-up in terms of micro-organisms in their intestinal tract is changed. This can therefore have health consequences” (emphasis added).

But it’s not just vague “health consequences.” It can have deadly consequences, as we’re seeing with the bees.

And the problem is only going to get worse. I was talking to a local beekeeper named Glenn, who came over to help my neighbor and us pollinate our trees. Glenn told me of the bitter fight the local beekeepers had with the agribusiness interests over genetically modified organisms (GMO). The Big Agri company Monsanto had bamboozled the farm owners into believing that they couldn’t compete without GMO. The beekeepers told the farmers that their farms might go under if the bees were wiped out. Monsanto still won.

The split was divisive between the sides. The bad blood caused the beekeepers to vacate their business offices that they had previously shared with the farm owners. In a subsequent election, I was shocked when conscientious Sonoma County voted to permit GM crops. We were deluged with mailings from Monsanto interests.

Glenn believes it’s a combination of new things that are weakening the gene pool of the bees. Bees never had experienced pesticides and GM-associated substances before. Feral (wild) bees tend to be very hardy creatures. But we’re now seeing them disappear as well.

Glenn referred me to fellow beekeeper and former Sonoma Beekeeper Association President Kathy Cox. She echoed the same message. Commercial beekeepers use chemicals in their hives. As a result, bees are facing a threat they have never seen before. Kathy told me, “My associate, Scott Nelson reported, ‘In the four county area (Napa, Mendocino, Marin, and Sonoma), Mendocino beekeepers have reported the fewest problems with their hives.’” Mendocino County voted for a GMO ban in 2004. The county actually defeated Monsanto, which spent megabucks to try to defeat the proposition.

Kathy says that bees require a protein-rich diet, as found in pollen. GMO can derange their immune systems with a cascade of proteins they’ve never before encountered. The changes can wreak havoc on their bodies — and the hives.

All I’ve discussed in this issue is the pesticide Bt. But there are other GMO agents in pollen that are foreign to the bees. Any one of them could weaken their immune systems. They could become vulnerable to almost anything, including the mites researchers know are ravaging some hives.

Are we facing a collapse of our food production thanks to the destruction of our friendly pollinators? I can’t tell you for sure that GM crops are killing all of the honey bees. It’s possible there are other factors. But I can tell you the GM crops are a major contributor to the problem. And we just don’t know how widespread it will become. Seeing the problem firsthand and knowing it’s happening around the country has me downright scared.

If it’s half as bad as it sounds, it’s not just our backyard that will be barren. Your supermarket and refrigerator will be barren as well. I predict that GMO will make the Vioxx scandal seem puny. (Merck deliberately allowed tens of thousands to die by Vioxx knowing its harm to the circulation system.)

I believe that GM crops are the greatest threat to our planet that we have ever seen. I fear a calamity of Biblical proportions may be in its early stages. I hope that I am wrong. But I hope you see how important this is.

Years ago, scientists from all over the world urged all governments to suspend all environmental releases of GM crops and to ban patents on organisms, seeds, and cell lines. If you still have doubts of the crisis, please visit the website www.i-sis.org.uk/list.php. Also see www.seedsofdeception.com. You won’t have any more doubts.

I urge you to contact your elected officials and demand an immediate moratorium on planting GM crops until it can be proven that friendly insect populations aren’t disrupted by GMO. Demand that all GM crops be so labeled on store shelves. Please buy organic only. Tell Monsanto how you feel by withholding your dollars from all their products. DO NOT consume any non-organic corn products (chips, tortillas, etc.) or processed items made with corn sweetener (high fructose corn syrup). You could ingest the transforming Bt gene. I eat out less and less. And when I do, I attempt to frequent only organic restaurants.

I also think legislation must be passed holding corporations and their stockholders financially and legally responsible for all damages that result from escape of their “patented” genes. After all, if they can receive the benefit of riches from a patent for their deeds, they should also have the duty to pay the piper when problems come up.

If I were to inadvertently poison you, I would be held criminally responsible. And so should they! If my dog were to escape and bite you, I would be responsible. When their pollen “escapes” and/or “bites” my field or kills my bees, should not their patented gene profits pay for it? If Monsanto stockholders knew that they could be personally responsible for your death when you become a Bt factory, we will suddenly see a newfound consciousness.

I do assure you problems are coming, whether it’s the end of honeybees or a parallel GMO calamity. (I wish Albert Einstein were alive today. I have no doubt he would travel to Washington to warn of the impending calamity, as he did regarding Nazi atomic research.)

Please join me in this fight for our food. Call your Congressman, Senator, and state representatives today! The easiest way to contact your representatives is to visit the websites www.house.gov/writerep/ (for the House) and www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/ senators_cfm.cfm (for the Senate). Both allow you to search (by zip code in the case of the House) for your representatives. They give phone numbers and addresses for both DC and local offices. They have web forms you can fill out and send for easy contact. And you can even schedule an appointment with some. If you don’t have a computer, please borrow a friend’s or visit your local library. The librarian can help you find these web pages. It’s vital you do this today!

Ref: American Beekeeping Federation online, February 2007.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: agricuture; bees; beesaredoomed; bt; case; doomage; eeeeeeeeevilmonsanto; food; genetics; gmo; irrational; luddites; solarcycles; sunspots; wearedoomed
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This is a serious problem that requires immediate action.
1 posted on 05/08/2007 4:25:22 PM PDT by dvan
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To: dvan

This is what I first thought of when I heard about the bees dying. I have seen several in my yard lately, though.


2 posted on 05/08/2007 4:26:33 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: dvan

Not to make light of a very serious situation, but can’t the Dems pass a law or something?


3 posted on 05/08/2007 4:27:28 PM PDT by Loyal Buckeye
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To: dvan

“This is a serious problem that requires immediate action.”

This is hysteria.


4 posted on 05/08/2007 4:28:40 PM PDT by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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To: dvan
Albert Einstein once said, “If the bee disappeared off the surface of the globe, then man would have only four years of life left.”

No, he didn't.

And any article that begins by blatantly demonstrating the author's lack of research skill and allergy to fact checking is not worth reading.

5 posted on 05/08/2007 4:29:44 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Mobile phones kill more people than exploding cupboards, ironing boards and Godzilla)
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To: dvan
When an article starts with a false quotation, it's usually not a good sign.

But I digress...

WE'RE DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMED!!! 

6 posted on 05/08/2007 4:30:25 PM PDT by Redcloak (The 2nd Amendment isn't about sporting goods.)
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To: dvan

I am only asking, not specualting, just asking a question: Could the changing of the structure of foods be a cause? I am thinking GMO’s and the like.


7 posted on 05/08/2007 4:30:27 PM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: MamaB

“This is what I first thought of when I heard about the bees dying. I have seen several in my yard lately, though.”

If I were you I’d become a bee expert real fast and get really really rich.


8 posted on 05/08/2007 4:31:41 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: dvan
The most serious pest or disease of honeybees in the 20th century has undoubtedly been the ectoparasitic mite, Varroa jacobsoni. Relatively harmless on its natural host, the Eastern honeybee Apis cerana, the varroa mite has recently crossed onto the Western honeybee Apis mellifera and spread from its Asian origins throughout most of the world.
9 posted on 05/08/2007 4:32:37 PM PDT by mjp (Live & let live. I don't want to live in Mexico, Marxico, or Muslimico. Statism & high taxes suck.)
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To: dvan

Famines, Wars, earthquakes.....all signs of End Times.


10 posted on 05/08/2007 4:34:12 PM PDT by Suzy Quzy (Hillary '08...Her Phoniness is Genuine!!!)
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To: dvan

OK, it is time for the Pollen Tax.


11 posted on 05/08/2007 4:35:25 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing

I missed the answer, but have it know


12 posted on 05/08/2007 4:35:47 PM PDT by thiscouldbemoreconfusing
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To: dvan
Genetic modification is like a 4 year old getting into the chemicals in the garage cabinet.

This is one thing some of the European socialist nations have right, compared to the United States.

13 posted on 05/08/2007 4:36:00 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: dvan
It’s been happening here in Florida. Bee keepers say there swarms have just disappeared. Hives are empty. Bees are not the only insects that pollinate, but they are the only ones that have a commercial use. Hopefully, someone will figure out what's going on.
14 posted on 05/08/2007 4:36:05 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Soon to be Fredbacker1)
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To: MamaB
I've been looking for bees in my own yard as well.

I've only seen Bumble Bees and wasps so far this year.

sw

15 posted on 05/08/2007 4:36:43 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife)
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To: Scotswife
Our hardener had planted some plants for me including some veggies and flowers. They were on some of the flowers.
16 posted on 05/08/2007 4:37:01 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Scotswife
Our hardener had planted some plants for me including some veggies and flowers. They were on some of the flowers.
17 posted on 05/08/2007 4:37:08 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Sunnyflorida
This is hysteria

I beg to differ. This die off started at least a year ago. In certain areas it has been huge and growing.

If we lose a significant portion of the bee population, how do you propose we pollinate our crops?

18 posted on 05/08/2007 4:37:11 PM PDT by technomage (You get what you want one step at a time)
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To: dvan

Rush brought this up weeks ago and he took it seriously until hearing that it was baseless.


19 posted on 05/08/2007 4:37:25 PM PDT by Mark (REMEMBER: Mean spirited, angry remarks against my postings won't feed even one hungry child.)
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To: MamaB

I wonder when it will get to the point where they’ll want people like you to report bee sightings.

They think they may have narrowed down the cause to a parasite or virus. Hopefully they will learn quickly how to combat the problem.

Whoever figures this one out isn’t ever going to have to worry about their retirement.


20 posted on 05/08/2007 4:40:40 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Mark

why did Rush think it was baseless?

What does he know that the beekeepers don’t?


21 posted on 05/08/2007 4:41:44 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Redcloak

Plus we don’t have a chance.


22 posted on 05/08/2007 4:42:50 PM PDT by boomop1 (there you go again)
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To: Scotswife

I can not understand that spelling. I used spell check and it missed it and posted 2 times. I think I had better got off the computer for a while. Odd things are happening. I do not even know what kind of flowers he planted. They just have blooms on them!


23 posted on 05/08/2007 4:43:21 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: dvan
I was reading a 'net article about a week ago, blaming - dig this - CELLPHONES for the bee die-offs. They think radiation from the phones cause the bees to lose their navigational capabilities, and can't find their way back to the hive. I bet Ted Kaczynski is penning love letters to these guys.


24 posted on 05/08/2007 4:43:33 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Fred Thompson in '08, baby!)
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To: dvan
"Large bee losses are not unheard of. They have been reported at several points in the past century."
- nyt.com 4-24-07 -

No need to fear nature's patterns.


25 posted on 05/08/2007 4:43:37 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: dvan
Not sure about the cause, but here in PA I haven't seen one Honey Bee on any of my bushes, plants or trees. Everything has been flowering like crazy but zero honey bees.

This is the first year I have seen it this way. Used to have to avoid the bushes during the day because of all the bees. Also heard that the wild bees have been gone for a couple of years now, anyone confirm or deny this?

26 posted on 05/08/2007 4:43:42 PM PDT by Post-Neolithic (Money only makes Communists rich Communists)
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To: thiscouldbemoreconfusing

In light of the poison gluten and rice right now, I’m not going to pooh-pooh GMO’s being at least a culprit.


27 posted on 05/08/2007 4:43:48 PM PDT by Arizona Carolyn ( If you want on or off the pet and human food and drug ping list let me know)
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To: Loyal Buckeye

All we are saying is give bees a chance!


28 posted on 05/08/2007 4:45:11 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: MamaB

sometimes I hit “post” and the screen does nothing - I hit “post” again and wind up with a double post.

Find out what flowers they are and plant some more!


29 posted on 05/08/2007 4:45:35 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: dvan

More

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_506012.html

Apple growers in Pa. enter crucial pollination period


30 posted on 05/08/2007 4:46:03 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: dvan

bmp


31 posted on 05/08/2007 4:46:33 PM PDT by cowtowney
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To: Post-Neolithic

See my post #30

Your neck of the woods


32 posted on 05/08/2007 4:47:27 PM PDT by sageb1 (This is the Final Crusade. There are only 2 sides. Pick one.)
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To: technomage

“how do you propose we pollinate our crops?’

How do you?

BTW the whole premiss of this is based on Bravo Sierra.
http://www.snopes.com/quotes/einstein/bees.asp (note that I trust ANYTHING I read on the internet.


33 posted on 05/08/2007 4:48:36 PM PDT by Sunnyflorida ((Elections Matter)
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To: Scotswife
why did Rush think it was baseless? What does he know that the beekeepers don’t?

Uh, it was after talking to beekeepers.

34 posted on 05/08/2007 4:49:20 PM PDT by Mark (REMEMBER: Mean spirited, angry remarks against my postings won't feed even one hungry child.)
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To: MamaB
I just saw a story on the local news about a bee infestation at someone's home here in Central Texas.
35 posted on 05/08/2007 4:50:18 PM PDT by lormand (Rosie O'Donald, Michael Savage and Cindy Sheehan want Bush impeached - visit the daily Savage Thread)
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To: Scotswife

I just remembered something. Before my husband died last July, he bought me a jar of honey which was made by someone in the neighborhood. I wonder if the bees I saw were from his hive. I do not know his name or even where he lives.


36 posted on 05/08/2007 4:52:12 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Mark

How about a crash-program - mandate that everyone in the US maintains a hive in their backyard or apartment, if possible. Heck, the bees do all the work. What could possibly go wrong?


37 posted on 05/08/2007 4:52:35 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: Mark
"...he took it seriously until hearing that it was baseless.

Based on what? Rush is a smart guy, but he's not Mr. Science.

38 posted on 05/08/2007 4:53:35 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: MamaB

Your spell check didn’t miss it-”hardener” is a real word and you spelled it correctly. Is the spell check supposed to know you meant “gardener”?


39 posted on 05/08/2007 4:54:36 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY (Calling illegal aliens undocumented workers is like calling drug dealers unlicensed pharmacist)
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To: Viking2002

I saw those reports also. Like the Navy’s very low radio transmissions disrupting whales and other living things. God only knows what effects changes make? Hopefully the honey bees will bounce back. I believe that cell phones are a scourge. All the school kids sitting in class day in, day out texting their friends. Phone to ear 24/7. Can’t be a good thing. Causes brain cancer....and kills bees. Aaargh!


40 posted on 05/08/2007 4:55:52 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Sunnyflorida
BTW the whole premiss of this is based on Bravo Sierra

You are showing your lack of research on this subject.

First off, the Snopes article does not dispute in the least the bee die off. What Snopes is disuputing is whether Einstein said what he said about bees.

There have already has hearings on Capital Hill concerning this, at the House Committee on Agriculture. You can find a transcript from the March hearings, and other information, here:

http://maarec.cas.psu.edu/index.html

41 posted on 05/08/2007 4:56:31 PM PDT by technomage (You get what you want one step at a time)
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To: Freedom4US
What could possibly go wrong?

Well, for starters, some people are alergic to bee stings. My daughter just bought some land at which she wants to keep bees, and she took the time to get an allergy test before taking the plunge. Her bees are to arrive later this month. She said it was very hard to find anyone who was selling them. BTW, she also spotted 4 different breeds of honeybee on some flowering bushes in our backyard.

42 posted on 05/08/2007 4:56:56 PM PDT by knittnmom (...surrounded by reality!)
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To: technomage

“If we lose a significant portion of the bee population, how do you propose we pollinate our crops?”

Illegal immigrants with paintbrushes.

Seriously, I think the real problem in America is lawns. Outlaw lawns and all the chemicals that are poured on them. Replace with flowering plants and hardscape.

My peach, pears, apple, and olive trees have the largest crop ever. My two acres is covered with purple vetch, crimson clover, rosemary, poppies and lavender. The entire two acres HUMS, there are so many bees. I’ve spotted four different species already this year. Other people in the area are amazed as they have no bees and all the bees seem to have moved to my property.

You can buy bulk seeds at:
Peaceful Valley Farm Supply
http://groworganic.com/default.html?welcome=T

Try their organic bulk seeds:
http://groworganic.com/search.html?pCommand=DoSearch&pMode=Search&sText=&sCategory=356

If you order a catalog, hang onto it. They only send out one main catalog yearly and then a smaller one with fruit trees in the fall.


43 posted on 05/08/2007 4:57:28 PM PDT by anonsquared (WHAT'S MADE IN CHINA, STAYS IN CHINA!)
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To: GATOR NAVY
Of course. Isn’t that what it is for!!!! Good grief, it is supposed to know my every thought. LOL!
44 posted on 05/08/2007 4:57:36 PM PDT by MamaB
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To: Post-Neolithic
Also heard that the wild bees have been gone for a couple of years now, anyone confirm or deny this?

You are referring to the fact that there are virtually no "feral" honey bee colonies around, which is mostly due to various kinds of mites, and has been the case for many many years now.

Actually, I am aware of at least one swarm of bees from a friends hive that migrated to become a feral colony. This happened last year, and they are gone now. The problem for feral colonies is there there is no beekeeper human-type to apply the various meds and techniques to keep the mites at bay.

As for my yard, I can say that I've seen about 100,000 honey bees.

... but then, I have 3 hives.

Whatever is causing "Colony Collapse Disorder" does not appear to be affecting those of us with stationary-in-their-yard hives. Its mainly the commercial guys that truck hundreds of hives across the country for pollination that seem to be experiencing the problem.

45 posted on 05/08/2007 5:00:14 PM PDT by C210N (Bush SPIED, Terrorists DIED!)
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To: Scotswife
"They think they may have narrowed down the cause to a parasite or virus."

Yes, the bees have a virus, so they are going to the ER now in swarms.

Bee Swarm Shuts Ark. Hospital's ER

Bee Swarm Shuts Ark. Hospital's ER

This happened a few days ago.

46 posted on 05/08/2007 5:01:24 PM PDT by lormand (Rosie O'Donald, Michael Savage and Cindy Sheehan want Bush impeached - visit the daily Savage Thread)
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To: muleskinner

I’ve got a large, flowering shrub next to my front porch. In the last 3 weekends, the only bee I’ve seen around it is a bumblebee and a few mud daubber wasps.


47 posted on 05/08/2007 5:05:10 PM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Suzy Quzy

Finally, someone understands and is aware of the facts.

reference Tesla’s technology and HAARP, there lies a clue about the bees.....

The bees are scratching the surface......

The actual story is mindboggling.....I have been studing this for the past 10 years and it came together just this past year while I was in the Congo. Once I got out of denial and away from the media, the pieces fell together. yes, it is linked directly to the end times.


48 posted on 05/08/2007 5:08:06 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Finally, someone understands and is aware of the facts.

reference Tesla’s technology and HAARP, there lies a clue about the bees.....

The bees are scratching the surface......

The actual story is mindboggling.....I have been studing this for the past 10 years and it came together just this past year while I was in the Congo. Once I got out of denial and away from the media, the pieces fell together. yes, it is linked directly to the end times.


49 posted on 05/08/2007 5:08:21 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: Suzy Quzy

Finally, someone understands and is aware of the facts.

reference Tesla’s technology and HAARP, there lies a clue about the bees.....

The bees are scratching the surface......

The actual story is mindboggling.....I have been studing this for the past 10 years and it came together just this past year while I was in the Congo. Once I got out of denial and away from the media, the pieces fell together. yes, it is linked directly to the end times.


50 posted on 05/08/2007 5:08:21 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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