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Giuliani won't talk of pope, abortion
News Day ^ | May 10, 2007 | BY CRAIG GORDON

Posted on 05/10/2007 3:15:32 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

HUNTSVILLE, Ala. - Rudolph Giuliani said yesterday that his differences with the Catholic Church over his support for abortion rights are between him, God and his spiritual adviser, not Pope Benedict XVI - seeking to avoid a head-on confrontation with the pontiff over the issue that has bedeviled Giuliani's campaign.

The pope took a hard line against Catholic politicians who vote in favor of abortion rights, saying Mexican lawmakers who did so lost the right to Communion and may have even excommunicated themselves.

Giuliani himself declined to respond directly to the pope's comments and wouldn't answer questions about whether he believed his support for abortion rights could damage his standing in the church.

"I don't get into debates with the pope," Giuliani told reporters.

"Issues like that for me are between me and my confessor. ... I'm a Catholic and that's the way I resolve those issues, personally and privately," he said. "That's what religion is all about - it's something that's between you and your conscience and God and then whoever your spiritual advisers are."

The Giuliani campaign last night deflected questions about Giuliani's spiritual advisers and whether he takes Communion - saying, as the mayor did, that those are private issues.

Giuliani took a different approach in 1996, when he criticized the Vatican for attacking then-President Bill Clinton's decision to veto a ban on late-term abortion. Giuliani said the church's "direct involvement in politics is not a good idea, because I think it confuses people."

This time, the pope's comments - while not directly about American politicians - threaten to insert a religious element into the debate in Republican circles over Giuliani's pro-abortion-rights stance.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsday.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; elections; giuliani; prolife

1 posted on 05/10/2007 3:15:36 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

“Giuliani took a different approach in 1996, when he criticized the Vatican for attacking then-President Bill Clinton’s decision to veto a ban on late-term abortion. Giuliani said the church’s “direct involvement in politics is not a good idea, because I think it confuses people.”

Au contraire, Rooty. An unconfused and plain speaking Pope focuses people attention where it should be. Who’s against it, and who’s an apologist/supporter of it.

Fred Thompson’s NARAL rating——0%
Rudy Giuliani’s NARAL rating——100%


2 posted on 05/10/2007 3:23:58 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: Jim Robinson; NYer

The question is: Will the Pope’s “message” get ANY traction in the American Church?


3 posted on 05/10/2007 3:24:51 AM PDT by don-o (We are "THEY")
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To: Jim Robinson

His arrogance is breathtaking.


4 posted on 05/10/2007 3:40:19 AM PDT by BlessedBeGod (Benedict XVI = Terminator IV)
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To: Jim Robinson
...Catholic politicians who vote in favor of abortion rights, saying Mexican lawmakers who did so lost the right to Communion and may have even excommunicated themselves.

Now, will he say this about AMERICAN politicians? If not, why not?

5 posted on 05/10/2007 3:44:54 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Jim Robinson
from: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1830775/posts
Pro-Abortion Politicians Excommunicated, Pope Says

"Father Lombardi pointed out to reporters that the Code of Canon Law provides the penalty of excommunication for anyone directly involved in abortion. That penalty would apply to politicians who support the legalization of abortion, he said.

"The Vatican spokesman added that the excommunication in these cases is applied latae sententiae— that is, automatically— and does not require any public announcement.
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Excommunication is AUTOMATIC - requiring no announcement or intervention by any Church authority. It does not matter what the American bishops say or believe.

I don’t think it could be much more clear than Lombardi makes it here.

It doesn't matter what Guiliani OR his "confessor" thinks.

6 posted on 05/10/2007 3:48:51 AM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: Neville72
Fred Thompson’s NARAL rating——0%
Rudy Giuliani’s NARAL rating——100%

Speaks volumes.

7 posted on 05/10/2007 3:50:39 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: TexasRedeye

Money money money MONEY.

America donates more money to the Catholic church then any other country.

You don’t want to bite the hand that feeds ya now do ya?


8 posted on 05/10/2007 3:54:01 AM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: BlessedBeGod
"Issues like that for me are between me and my confessor. ... I'm a Catholic and that's the way I resolve those issues, personally and privately," he said. "That's what religion is all about - it's something that's between you and your conscience and God and then whoever your spiritual advisers are."

Giuliani may be Catholic, or not, or a nominal Catholic. He may even think of himself as a Christian (though I have never heard him use that term).

But I see nothing in him that indicates his belief in Jesus Christ, and his faith in Christ for forgiveness of his sin, has transformed his life or rules his life.

What I see is a "religious" person.

The group of people who really hated Jesus were the religious folks. They're the ones who wanted to live by a set of rules, rules they could interpret for themselves. That sounds a lot like Giuliani.

One message we Christians really need to get out is, Chrisitianity is NOT a religion, at least not in the respect most folks think. Jesus actually abolished religion (which I'll loosely define as a set of laws, or precepts, or principles, that we must live by in order to reach God, or please him, or attain some special consciousness).

The Gospel is the opposite of that. The Gospel says, "You cannot reach God by any set of rules, laws, principles, or teachings. God loves you and come to earth as a man to do these things on your behalf, and then give you credit for them. You must trust in the historical Jesus completely, and what he did, and rest in that for salvation.

9 posted on 05/10/2007 4:02:53 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: Jim Robinson

Lets not forget that Guilianni isnt the opnly Catholic politician who “personally” abhors abortion,but supports it for political purposes.

Kennedy, Pelosi, Kerry and other Democrats are all ion the same Excommunicated boat.

Although they are all technically excommunicated automatically ,I will believe the Pope means business when he makes a public comment excommunicating those who are known to be guilty .


10 posted on 05/10/2007 4:03:31 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (I will forgive Jane Fonda, when the Jews forgive Hitler.)
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To: Jim Robinson

can members be expelled from the republican party???
this guy is the WORST candidate....!!!!!!
hardly a hint of conservatism anywhere. At least Kerry and Pelosi talk some trash about how they actually are ‘conservative’ catholics, Rudy is OPENLY and proud it seems to be an heretic!


11 posted on 05/10/2007 4:22:00 AM PDT by rogernz
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To: TexasRedeye

“will he say this about AMERICAN politicians? If not, why not?”

NEVER happen to a Catholic dim... NEVER!!!!! They can break EVERY single COMMANDMENT (kennedy)... NEVER! Why not? The same reason Rudy won’t talk about it!

LLS


12 posted on 05/10/2007 4:29:25 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Rudy’s now in a quicksand pit of his own making,

I don’t think he’s getting out.


13 posted on 05/10/2007 4:49:31 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: LibLieSlayer

Is the right Reverend Al Sharpton Giuliana’s spiritual advisor? That would actually make a lot of sense. Come on, give me a ho-ho-ho here....oh, sorry Mr. Imus!!!


14 posted on 05/10/2007 4:52:43 AM PDT by Republican Babe
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To: Jim Robinson

If the Pope would finally excommunicate all the CINOs in US national politics, it would remove a great offense to Christians who take God’s commandment, “Thou shalt not kill” seriously. Those who follow God cannot be in favor of killing His little ones.


15 posted on 05/10/2007 5:23:26 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: BlessedBeGod

Pro 3:7 Be not wise in thine own eyes: fear the LORD, and depart from evil.

Pro 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

Pro 16:2 All the ways of a man are clean in his own eyes; but the LORD weigheth the spirits.

Pro 21:2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

Pro 30:12 There is a generation that are pure in their own eyes, and yet is not washed from their filthiness.

Isa 5:21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!


16 posted on 05/10/2007 5:27:19 AM PDT by Esther Ruth
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To: BlessedBeGod

His arrogance is breathtaking.

It’s true. I am walking around my kitchen this morning, trying to catch my breath, after reading this post.


17 posted on 05/10/2007 6:17:52 AM PDT by rljv
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To: Republican Babe

That made me smile! :-)

LLS


18 posted on 05/10/2007 6:37:10 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Support America, Kill terrorists, Destroy dims!)
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To: Joe Boucher

You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to know what the Pope is trying to say. He knows full well that our media would report what he said to the Mexicans. He did not say “I am talking about Mexican politicians only”. It is meant to be a warning to our politicians as well, being as though our elections are right around the corner.


19 posted on 05/10/2007 6:50:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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To: Silly
"The group of people who really hated Jesus were the religious folks. They're the ones who wanted to live by a set of rules, rules they could interpret for themselves. That sounds a lot like Giuliani."

I don't "hate" Jesus. I believe him to be the most compassionate, tolerant, understanding person who ever lived. That said, I have NO real proof that he is the son of god. What? Some superstitious flat-worlders claim so?

I have a major problem with the whole "worship" concept. WHY would the creator of the entire universe need to be worshipped? Why would such an entity have such a HUGE ego that he/she/it needs to be worshipped? It makes NO sense.

That said, I DO believe there is a grand design within the Universe. The "BIG BANG" happened and I believe that there was a purpose. NO man can comprehend such purpose.

20 posted on 05/10/2007 8:02:50 AM PDT by A Navy Vet (In perpetuum sacramentum)
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To: A Navy Vet
I don't "hate" Jesus. I believe him to be the most compassionate, tolerant, understanding person who ever lived. That said, I have NO real proof that he is the son of god. What? Some superstitious flat-worlders claim so?

Okay, that's cool. But what do you really know about him? What did he do or say that causes you to believe he's compassionate and tolerant?

I'll tell you what I mean. Here are some of his statements, paraphrased. Read them, digest them, and tell me what sort of person would say these things:

"Yeah, I remember when Satan was kicked out of heaven. That was quite a sight."

"I was there with the Father when he was making the world. I existed before the universe did."

"I am the way, the truth and the life, NO ONE can come to the Father except through me." [emphasis mine]

"If you want to follow me, you must hate your mother and your father."

Do these sound like the sayings of a tolerant, compassionate man?

And as for proof that he was God, how do you explain the four accounts of his resurrection, the accounts that he appeared to as many as 500 people at a time, and the sudden explosion of the church? (Remember, these were people who had a MUCH harder time than you and me, culturally and religiously, accepting the idea that God could become a man.)

I agree with you that no man can comprehend such a purpose, at least not without help. But a purpose suggests someone behind that purpose. And I do believe, that if God wants to communicate with us, He can find a way. Agree?

When he communicates with you, how will you respond?

21 posted on 05/10/2007 10:01:55 AM PDT by Silly (http://www.sarcasmoff.com)
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To: NYer; narses; Salvation

Catholic ping.

Anyone remember how Giuliani criticized the Pope on abortion during Clinton’s time in office?


22 posted on 05/10/2007 11:20:07 AM PDT by Ultra Sonic 007 (Why vote for Duncan Hunter in 2008? Look at my profile.)
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To: Jim Robinson
Issues like that for me are between me and my confessor.

Like this guy has a "confessor"!

23 posted on 05/10/2007 11:29:10 AM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Issues like that for me are between me and my confessor. ... I'm a Catholic and that's the way I resolve those issues, personally and privately," he said. "That's what religion is all about - it's something that's between you and your conscience and God and then whoever your spiritual advisers are."

Hey Rudy--when was the last time you went to Mass, let alone confession? It's all an act with this guy. He's no more Catholic than Jim McGreevey who claimed that his mother said rosaries for him during the 2001 NJ governor's race. Of course, now we know why she was praying for him.

"Catholics" like Rudy need to be publicly excommunicated. They use their "Catholic" status to win votes among the ignorant and yet their public policies could not be more at odds with what the Church teaches.

Sadly, I have no hope that Cardinal Egan has anything like the spine necessary to excommunicate a 'star' like Rudy.
24 posted on 05/10/2007 11:36:27 AM PDT by Antoninus (P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
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To: sgtbono2002
Although they are all technically excommunicated automatically ,I will believe the Pope means business when he makes a public comment excommunicating those who are known to be guilty.

That's not the Pope's role. It's Rudy's bishop's role. And Cardinal Egan is not a great bishop, even if he plays one on TV. I can't wait for him to hit 75.
25 posted on 05/10/2007 11:38:07 AM PDT by Antoninus (P!ss off an environmentalist wacko . . . have more kids.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Giuliani must go to the same priest/confessor as Tony Soprano.


26 posted on 05/10/2007 11:38:14 AM PDT by Palladin (All warfare is based on deception. --Sun Tzu)
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To: narses; NYer; Salvation

ping to the pingers


27 posted on 05/10/2007 12:01:11 PM PDT by Ransomed (Son of Ransomed says Keep the Faith!)
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To: Jim Robinson
That's what religion is all about - it's something that's between you and your conscience and God and then whoever your spiritual advisers are.

So obviously Rudy does not consider the Pope one of his spiritual advisers. It would be interesting to know who those advisers really are.
28 posted on 05/10/2007 12:15:01 PM PDT by gpapa
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To: Mrs. Frogjerk

Kennedy, Rudy, Kerry and how many other “Catholic politicos”, claim to be such and still fight for abortions?
The Pope should grow a set and excommunicate ALL politicians who espouse abortion or vote for such.


29 posted on 05/10/2007 1:43:47 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: Jim Robinson
That's OK, the pope will talk about him. LOL!

Pope's Words on Abortion Nudge, But Don't Shake U.S. Political Races

Pope's Words on Abortion Nudge, But Don't Shake U.S. Political Races

Thursday, May 10, 2007

 
WASHINGTON —  Pope Benedict XVI's agreement that Roman Catholic politicians in Mexico City who voted to legalize abortion should be denied the rite of Communion could have an effect on the 2008 presidential race in the United States.

The pontiff's comments put five of seven Catholic candidates at odds with their church.

 

30 posted on 05/10/2007 9:55:31 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Joe Boucher
Dissent.Speakers and authors Check here for their names.

List doesn't have Giuliani, however. (In my opinion, he should also be listed.)

31 posted on 05/10/2007 10:18:41 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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