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Carter seeks to split Evangelicals from Israel support
American Thinker ^ | May 10, 2007 | Ed Lasky

Posted on 05/10/2007 1:33:20 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

Former President Jimmy Carter recently has stepped up his efforts to split the bonds between Evangelical voters and Israel. From The Jewish Week:

Wading into the delicate fray over the alliance between Jews and pro-Israel Evangelicals, former President Jimmy Carter last week reportedly said it was a mistake for Jews to accept such ties, and that he was working to convince Southern Baptists to change the way they look at Judaism and the Middle East.

Christian Zionists can be better friends of Israel by challenging its government's policies, while accepting Judaism as a legitimate path to God, Carter told a group organized by Rabbi Michael Lerner in California last week, according to the rabbi.

"He said it was a terrible error for Jews to become allied with Christian Zionists who actually desire our conversion or burning in hell," Rabbi Lerner related in an interview Tuesday.

The alliance between Jewish and Evangelical Christian supporters of Israel has grown over the years. Evangelical support for Israel is often misunderstood and in some cases maligned-it comes often from the most noble of reasons. Regardless of one's views, this support has been very important.

The International Fellowship of Christian and Jews, headed by Rabbi Yechiel Eckstein, has been in the forefront of building these links and raises many millions of dollars from Evangelical Christians to help Jews around the world who are in need. Christians United for Israel has become a politically influential voice for Israel around the nation. In an era during which Israel has lost support in many quarters, this support from Evangelical Christians should be welcomed. Yet, there are forces developing that are not attempting to erode this support. I wrote about this dynamic earlier in this article, "Splitting the Evanngelicals from Israel".


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Israel; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: antisemite; carter; carterlegacy; dajooz; israel; proisrael; saudishill; worstpresidentever; zionism
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1 posted on 05/10/2007 1:33:26 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative
"He said it was a terrible error for Jews to become allied with Christian Zionists who actually desire our conversion or burning in hell," Rabbi Lerner related in an interview Tuesday.

Is it surprising that a dumbass who pretends to be a nuclear scientist also pretends to be a theologian?

2 posted on 05/10/2007 1:35:49 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: West Coast Conservative

BTTT


3 posted on 05/10/2007 1:36:00 PM PDT by NEWwoman
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To: wideawake

If I remember correctly Revelation prophecy says that in the end times (All Nations will come against Israel) Is Carter doing his part to ensure that the U.S. does its part in meeting that prediction?


4 posted on 05/10/2007 1:37:27 PM PDT by tomnbeverly (Leaving Iraq to defend itself against Al-qaeda is like asking a fetus to protect against abortion.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

“He said it was a terrible error for Jews to become allied with Christian Zionists who actually desire our conversion or burning in hell,” Rabbi Lerner related in an interview Tuesday.”

Better to become allied with liberals who want Israel to burn now, I guess.


5 posted on 05/10/2007 1:37:50 PM PDT by ConservativeDude (")
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To: tomnbeverly

He’s certainly trying his level best to destroy Israel, that’s for sure.


6 posted on 05/10/2007 1:38:49 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake

Only as surprising as the attention paid to his blathering idiocy.


7 posted on 05/10/2007 1:38:54 PM PDT by x_plus_one (As long as we pretend to not be fighting Iran in Iraq, we can't pretend to win the war.)
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To: tomnbeverly
Carter is undoubtedly possessed.

On the other hand he's keeping demons entertained who'd otherwise be bothering other people.

8 posted on 05/10/2007 1:39:30 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: West Coast Conservative

Hasn’t this guy done enough damage to the World already?

Darn, I actually voted for him.....twice.


9 posted on 05/10/2007 1:40:56 PM PDT by Radix ( "You can take the wisdom of this world, and give it to the ones who think it all ends here.")
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To: West Coast Conservative

You know, I was just reading about Reagan at Reykjavik, and to even allow the words Jimmy Carter on this fine website is almost sacrilige. We shoud borrow a line from Harry Potter; from now on Carter should be refered to as: “The peanut farmer who must not be named.” Or, “the peanut farmer whos name makes me ill.”


10 posted on 05/10/2007 1:41:05 PM PDT by Ace's Dad ("There are more important things: Friendship, Bravery...")
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To: West Coast Conservative
Dershowitz has it right.....Carter’s a worthless bum.
11 posted on 05/10/2007 1:41:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative ("The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism."-Karl Marx)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Hurry up and die Jimmah, you miserable old POS.


12 posted on 05/10/2007 1:41:38 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I don’t think he’s stupid or senile; I think the Arabs bought the sunuvabich.


13 posted on 05/10/2007 1:41:44 PM PDT by darth
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To: West Coast Conservative
Jimmah needs to read his Bible now and then...

Gen 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

14 posted on 05/10/2007 1:45:32 PM PDT by BigFinn (isa 32:8 But the liberal deviseth liberal things; and by liberal things shall he stand.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
So, Jimmuh and the raving liberal Lerner are going to detach American evangelicals from their support of Israel? Yeah, right.

You're a legend in your own mind, Jimmuh.

15 posted on 05/10/2007 1:46:25 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: wideawake
He’s certainly trying his level best to destroy Israel, that’s for sure.

Joshua Murchavik wrote an article on Jimmah's anti-Semitism, but Murchavik neglected to mention racist populist, Tom Watson, as the probable influence for Carter's judenhass.

16 posted on 05/10/2007 1:47:19 PM PDT by Stepan12 ( "We are all girlymen now." Conservative reaction to Ann Coulter's anti PC joke)
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To: Stepan12

Tell us more.


17 posted on 05/10/2007 1:48:07 PM PDT by wideawake
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To: Radix
Darn, I actually voted for him.....twice.

Well, you were young and foolish. Weren't we all? I voted for McGovern (she said in mortification).

18 posted on 05/10/2007 1:48:13 PM PDT by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

He’s a paid shill of the Saudis. He’s an antisemite.


19 posted on 05/10/2007 1:48:41 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: muawiyah

Jews are prohibited from even entering Saudi Arabia.


20 posted on 05/10/2007 1:49:45 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: weegee

Don’t Jews have a “Covenant”?


21 posted on 05/10/2007 1:50:08 PM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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BTW, this Rabbi Lerner is a 9/11 truth nutcase. Shows what kind of people support Jimmah.


22 posted on 05/10/2007 1:51:08 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative (Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Christian Zionists can be better friends of Israel by challenging its government's policies, while accepting Judaism as a legitimate path to God, Carter told a group organized by Rabbi Michael Lerner in California last week, according to the rabbi.

Surprise; I disagree with the drooling old fool on both counts: I support its government's policies most of the time (when they're bold and assertive), and I reject Judaism as (anymore) a legitimate path to God.

23 posted on 05/10/2007 1:52:33 PM PDT by xjcsa (xjcsa...source of number one Google result in search for the word "ecotard" [pleased with self])
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To: West Coast Conservative

Carter can stick it in his ear. He’s a walking fraud and has no business attempting to speak for Southern Baptists because he ISN’T ONE!


24 posted on 05/10/2007 1:53:42 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: wideawake

Carter’s views on Israel make the Klan, neo-nazis, and Islamo-fascists proud.


25 posted on 05/10/2007 1:54:42 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: West Coast Conservative
BTW, this Rabbi Lerner is a 9/11 truth nutcase.

He was a nutcase long before 9/11!

26 posted on 05/10/2007 1:55:23 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: Gay State Conservative

Wow Dershowitz said that. amazing


27 posted on 05/10/2007 2:02:47 PM PDT by mel
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To: West Coast Conservative
...Michael Lerner...

AKA "Rabbi Moonbeams"

28 posted on 05/10/2007 2:03:25 PM PDT by hlmencken3 (Originalist on the the 'general welfare' clause? No? NOT an originalist!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
J.E. Carter is an apostate and is no good influence on the Southern Baptist Convention, nor on the positions of the U.S. government.

Carter will not be able to dissuade Baptists from their support of Israel if they are Bible-believing Baptists.

I do not know about the Southern Baptist Convention folks. I am a member of a Baptist church, but not a member of one which has any affiliation with any denominational structure. We still believe what earlier Southern Baptists believed — local church autonomy. But my question is: are most Southern Baptist folks still Premillennial in their eschatology? Or has this shifted?

29 posted on 05/10/2007 2:03:47 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: ml/nj; juliej; Zionist Conspirator; SJackson; Alouette; Alexander Rubin; ExTexasRedhead; TXRed; ...

Jimmy Carter and Michael Lerner hanging out together alert ping!


30 posted on 05/10/2007 2:04:10 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: swmobuffalo

Is it really true that Carter is not a member of a Southern Baptist church? Do we know where he keeps his membership?


31 posted on 05/10/2007 2:05:13 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: West Coast Conservative

The purpose of this Carter-Lerner alliance is purely political and their agenda is to harm Israel in any way possible.


32 posted on 05/10/2007 2:09:21 PM PDT by justiceseeker93
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To: West Coast Conservative

IMO, Jimmah Carter has gone so far over the edge, he should just be let go to drift out into the atmosphere.

He is nuttier now than he ever was in office, and he certainly was no prize then.

What the Israel ever do to him that he is so passionate about doing anything to hurt them?


33 posted on 05/10/2007 2:11:12 PM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: John Leland 1789

As far as I know he left the SBC and joined up with the liberal Cooperative Baptist Fellowship some years ago.


34 posted on 05/10/2007 2:12:43 PM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: tomnbeverly
Maybe Carter’s delusions of relevancy include delusions that he is the anti-Christ.
35 posted on 05/10/2007 2:16:12 PM PDT by untrained skeptic
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WAIT! What happened here?! I was under the impression that the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship was the more conservative/fundamental wing that emerged in protest to the liberalism and modernism in SBC colleges and seminaries. What gives?
36 posted on 05/10/2007 2:21:38 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: BigFinn

“Jimmah needs to read his Bible now and then...”

You’d think that a former sunday school teacher would already know what it says. Just more proof the man is clueless.


37 posted on 05/10/2007 2:22:29 PM PDT by diverteach
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To: West Coast Conservative
This man has no shame. All of this proves how effective the support of the Evangelicals must be. It also reaffirms the notion that Carter is on the Saudi payroll and their tool.

Anything that isolates Israel is fair game to them. He is a Jew hater of the first order.

38 posted on 05/10/2007 2:25:40 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: tomnbeverly

You said — “Is Carter doing his part to ensure that the U.S. does its part in meeting that prediction?”

Well, he might be trying to, but he won’t accomplish it for the Evangelicals who know the Bible. However, when the Rapture happens, it will be a different story for the U.S. and then it will probably join the rest of the world against Israel...


39 posted on 05/10/2007 2:27:16 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: West Coast Conservative

it will never happen, not with true believers anyway.


40 posted on 05/10/2007 2:28:42 PM PDT by fish hawk (The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The article said — “... he was working to convince Southern Baptists to change the way they look at Judaism and the Middle East.”

I thought Carter quit the Southern Baptist in protest of their statement of faith. If so, what’s he trying to do in influencing the Southern Baptists? He’s not one anyway....


41 posted on 05/10/2007 2:28:50 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: wideawake
I'll repeat what I wrote from another board

Joshua Murchavik, in his "Commentary" article on Jimmy Carter, alludes to Jimmah's anti-Semitism as related to the principles of the Vatican before the earth shaking Vatican II.

I'm pretty sure that pre Vatican II thinking matters very little to Southern Baptist, Jimmy Carter. I think Jimmah's anti-Semitism stems more from his admiration for the racist, anti-Semitic populist, Tom Watson. Carter has expressed his admiration for the anti-Semitic populist who was largely responsible for the Jewish Leo Frank getting lynched.

If any freeper wants to read more about racist populist, Tom Watson, and his influence on the Carter family one can read the letters section of the present edition of "Commentary" magazine (just out). Joshua Murchavik also acknowledges the prescience of the commentators about Tom Watson in his reply to his critics. Ayn Rand first alerted me and her other listeners to Carter's phoniness when, before the 76 election, she pointed out that Carter was infected with power lust.

42 posted on 05/10/2007 2:29:37 PM PDT by Stepan12 ( "We are all girlymen now." Conservative reaction to Ann Coulter's anti PC joke)
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To: West Coast Conservative

From the mouth of ‘Possum Man:
“President Jimmy Carter last week reportedly said it was a mistake for Jews to accept such ties”.

and

“He said it was a terrible error for Jews to become allied with Christian Zionists who actually desire our conversion or burning in hell,”

This one Jew who is convinced that ‘Possum Man does not have the best interests of either Christians or Jews at heart. I think he is merely blathering what his Saudi paymasters wish him to say.


43 posted on 05/10/2007 2:30:54 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is essential to examine principle)
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To: West Coast Conservative

I think my favorite part of this is that there are people who think Jimmy Carter actually has some credibility or stroke with Evangelicals.


44 posted on 05/10/2007 2:31:12 PM PDT by Dan Middleton (Radio...Free...Mars)
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To: John Leland 1789

You asked — “But my question is: are most Southern Baptist folks still Premillennial in their eschatology? Or has this shifted?”

I don’t know about most Southern Baptists, but this one is... :-) ... and dispensational...


45 posted on 05/10/2007 2:32:01 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: John Leland 1789

You asked — “Is it really true that Carter is not a member of a Southern Baptist church? Do we know where he keeps his membership?”

Well, I read that he quit his membership not too long ago (a few years back) when the Southern Baptists updated a portion of their statement of faith. He quit in protest over it. That was good for the Southern Baptists to get rid of someone like him. They don’t need a Jimmy Carter type in the ranks of the Southern Baptists. Now, if they could get rid of Clinton, too....


46 posted on 05/10/2007 2:34:19 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: West Coast Conservative

Since Carter gave Southern Baptists the big heave-ho several years ago, I don’t think too many will give a hoot what he thinks—that is, if they ever did in the first place.


47 posted on 05/10/2007 2:35:07 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: West Coast Conservative

Carter is such a tool.


48 posted on 05/10/2007 2:35:56 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: West Coast Conservative

What an evil man.


49 posted on 05/10/2007 2:36:28 PM PDT by Let's Roll (As usual, following a shooting spree, libs want to take guns away from those who DIDN'T do it.)
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To: Radix
I once had a terrible time scraping some Jimmy Carter off the sole of my shoe. Worse. There was a residue between the sole and heel that never stopped smelling badly.

Same trouble with Carter as a President and a longer and worse time as an ex-President.

I cannot wait for the time when I get to watch his state funeral on TV. The speeches by the attendees should be very funny indeed.
Personally I could wrap it up by saying there goes a miserable anti-semite A-hole. He (the cheap bastard) probably wont tip the boatman either.

50 posted on 05/10/2007 2:38:12 PM PDT by Gideon Reader (ALL of my weapons are cleaned, my mags are loaded, and my music is very, VERY cool.)
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