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1 posted on 05/10/2007 2:05:07 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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Folks, I’m of mixed opinion on this one,, taking the moral high ground has a tendency of making one an easy target in the long run.

Better that we had never committed our troops on the ground there and let ‘them’ slaughter each other indiscriminately as they had become so used to doing or that we had not cowered out at the end of Desert Storm 1 and got the job done then.

History is a harsh taskmaster.. we are still learning lessons we ought not to be revisiting today.

jmo


2 posted on 05/10/2007 2:11:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... In FReeP We Trust ...)
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To: NormsRevenge

He’s no George S. Patton. That’s for sure. Too bad.


5 posted on 05/10/2007 2:17:02 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: NormsRevenge

With the current Rules of Engagement, Gen. David Petraeus would do well to advise the troops to BYOL*.

*Bring Your Own Lawyer


6 posted on 05/10/2007 2:17:46 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: NormsRevenge

I cannot imagine a good reason for the Pentagon to release this data.


8 posted on 05/10/2007 2:18:42 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: NormsRevenge

This PC crap also allows us to have our asses handed to us.
It’s killing our troops needlessly. Look at the casualty rates. They speak for themselves. Troops that agressively defend themselves, such as the “Hadiths Marines” are now prosecuted.
We could have never beat the Japs and the Germans with these self defeating rules. As it was, even with our much superior numbers and our air superiority, the Germans inflicted a higher casualty rate on us then we did on them. Patton knew how to handle them, however. Kill them until they quit fighting. The last man standing won.
If you’re going to fight, fight to win or don’t fight at all.


14 posted on 05/10/2007 2:27:14 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: NormsRevenge
I’m in China and don’t have my copy of THE GRAY FOX about General Robert E. Lee. It is one of the greatest books I’ve ever read; perhaps the one I have enjoyed the most outside of the Bible.

When in Maryland, some of Lee’s troops were looting and pillaging. Lee was most unhappy about this. Lee got his troops together and said words to the affect, “We shall be Christians in the land of the enemy, just as we are Christians at home.

Of course, there are some on FR who do not want to be reminded of the fact that we had very strong Christian influence in our national founding and historical leadership . . . before the ACLU anyway.

And someone will say, “That wasn’t our national leadership, that was the Confederacy.” The same man, though, was a U.S. Army General before he took the Confederate States army. Lee was a genuine Christian gentleman, who endorsed Christian revival meetings in the camps of his soldiers. I do pray for a Christian morality to prevail in the US armed services. This in no way means that we shouldn't use the most effective means of interrogation in time of war. But, for example, our females should not be involved in the interrogation of men. Of course, I believe the females should not be assigned in a combat or potential combat zone to begin with (or away from any children they might have)

19 posted on 05/10/2007 2:37:57 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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To: NormsRevenge

You win wars by making the other guy die for HIS country....Patton.


23 posted on 05/10/2007 4:00:15 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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geez,

when is the MSM gonna start cornering muslims and asking them why they don't condemn beheading, why they don't condemn the killing of innocent women and children, why they will not allow us to "search" a mosque but knowingly with a wink/wink hide weapons in schools, hospitals and mosques,

He should have said the "We fight by rules of international convention against states in war, but the forces of the islamo-facist insist on indiscriminate murder, theft, lies, cowardice and betrayal. Instead of the best efforts by our men to protect civilians that are compared to the cowards that hide behind women and children."

Instead he came out with another propaganda point for the opposition, cause our troops have to me reminded to not violate international law but the jihadist are just innocent honorable combatants......

Well F#*k You! .....sir!....

24 posted on 05/10/2007 4:10:09 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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God help those soldiers and Marines, because it sounds like the in-the-rear-with-the-gear scumbag commanders don’t give a rat’s behind. Simply disgraceful.


27 posted on 05/10/2007 5:52:46 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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Scumbag commanders and their “rules of engagement” PING.
This idiot Petraeus has to go.


29 posted on 05/10/2007 6:00:14 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: NormsRevenge; 1stbn27; 2111USMC; 2nd Bn, 11th Mar; 68 grunt; A.A. Cunningham; ASOC; ...

1. The timing on this sucks.
2. WHY is he addressing the ANNUAL MEETING OF THE AP?!
3. when at the last of the article they turn right around and call Haditha the killing of 24 CIVILIANS!


31 posted on 05/11/2007 2:17:34 AM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: NormsRevenge
The military senior leadership has learned nothing from Vietnam. There we tried to "win the hearts and minds" of the Vietnamese with the lives of our brave troops.

That is a strategy for losers.

Chuck Colson said it best: "If you grab them by the b*lls their hearts and minds will follow."

Germany and Japan were converted from brutal dictatorships to democratic republics by force of arms--not by worrying about civilian casualties.

Either victory is goal number one or it is not. If it is not then get the troops home now--that is the lesson of Vietnam.
34 posted on 05/11/2007 2:58:50 AM PDT by cgbg (Help! I am a prisoner in LKOT (Leftist Kook Occupied Territory.))
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To: NormsRevenge

One function of the General is to say the right words. What the General does is demonstrate what he meant. He says fight fair; he means dominate and rule fair when possible.


49 posted on 05/12/2007 11:44:15 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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