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Red Dawn scenario

Posted on 05/10/2007 2:57:33 PM PDT by wastedyears

Don't know how many people have seen this movie, but what are your thoughts on something like it happening? If so, who would be involved? Also, how easy or hard would it be to fight them back, taking into consideration their manpower?


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Watched most of this today and told myself that I would sooner die than watch my country fall to anybody. Let's hear some opinions.
1 posted on 05/10/2007 2:57:34 PM PDT by wastedyears
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To: wastedyears

Well, if it happens, it ain’t gonna be Ruskies coming in using Cuba.

Most of the precursor stuff (shown in yellow text at the very beginning of the movie) has already happened (Mexicans fleeing their country, Greens taking over Europe, etc.) and I don’t think it has moved us that much closer to armed invasion.


2 posted on 05/10/2007 2:59:42 PM PDT by krb (If you're not outraged, people probably like having you around.)
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To: wastedyears

Get China out of our foods.


3 posted on 05/10/2007 2:59:52 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: wastedyears

Wolverines!


4 posted on 05/10/2007 3:00:44 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: wastedyears
I'd suspect they'd start
by distracting us with dumb,
pointless VANITIES...

5 posted on 05/10/2007 3:01:58 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: wastedyears

No school today?


6 posted on 05/10/2007 3:02:31 PM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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To: theFIRMbss

And missing blonds...


7 posted on 05/10/2007 3:02:58 PM PDT by null and void (The truth. It is a beautiful and terrible thing, and should therefore be treated with great caution.)
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To: wastedyears

Our country is being invaded right now - the only difference is, they’re not part of an organized army, carrying weapons or riding in tanks.


8 posted on 05/10/2007 3:03:33 PM PDT by reagan_fanatic (I have a big carbon footprint and I'm not afraid to use it.)
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To: wastedyears

The enemy will not come by parachute because he is already here and he believes in jihad. The hard-left socialists in the dhimmiecrat party arranged for him to get here w/o firing a shot. To keep our country we have to defend it from the jihadists AND the liberals. Its not going to be easy and its not going to be pretty.

Oh yeah, I forgot about all the illegals too. Fortunately, most of them just want to take our livelihoods, not our lives.

What a mess we have allowed the political classes to get us into...


9 posted on 05/10/2007 3:03:47 PM PDT by 43north (7 of 11 living things are insects. This explains liberals and islamofascists.)
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To: wastedyears

Zero chance it would happen. I think the scenario in The Army of the 12 Monkees is more likely.

just kidding. about the monkees I mean.


10 posted on 05/10/2007 3:03:57 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: wastedyears

You’re just now seeing this movie?


11 posted on 05/10/2007 3:04:04 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Go Rudy Go! (And take McCain with you!))
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To: wastedyears

It would take at least 10 times the D-Day forces at Normandy to invade the US on any coast, and a handful of paratroopers dropping in to Colorado is beyond ridiculous. The only overland invasion route with a remote chance of any penetration is through Mexico, and it would take a lot more than the D-Day resources to sustain it.


12 posted on 05/10/2007 3:05:17 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: VRWCmember

You’re just now seeing this movie?

Well just look at his freeper name! Says it all.


13 posted on 05/10/2007 3:05:27 PM PDT by saganite (Billions and billions and billions----and that's just the NASA budget!)
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To: johnny7

It’s 6PM


14 posted on 05/10/2007 3:06:13 PM PDT by wastedyears (I was opposed to Rudy in the mid 1990s when he took my fireworks away. I was but a little boy.)
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To: wastedyears
It was a speculative idea back in the time when the libs had gutted our military and the Russkies were angling to do us in. I don't see a Russian threat as currently viable.

What I do see as viable is a Chinese occupation of several port cities like San Francisco, Long Beach, Portland, Seattle, San Diego, & Vancouver. The Chinese leadership in the PLA has stated their desires to establish these cities as Chinese adminstered 'trade zones' much the same way that Hong Kong, Macau, Shanghai, and etc. once were European administered trade zones within China.

Unlike in Red Dawn, I don't see the Chinese needing to invade us. The Red Democrats will fall all over themselves opening the door for China to do this and the dad-blasted Republicans will INVEST in the operation in the name of FREE TRADE and that traitor Rush Limbaugh will be the #1 cheerleader for the whole thing.

15 posted on 05/10/2007 3:06:36 PM PDT by PeterFinn (The end of islam is the beginning of peace.)
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To: VRWCmember; wastedyears

It’s on AMC today. Watched most of it myself while doing laundry and policing kids and was into it because I’d forgotten how it ended. Then I missed the LAST FIVE MINUTES breaking up a kid fight. Grr.


16 posted on 05/10/2007 3:07:15 PM PDT by agrace
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To: wastedyears

If they get away with building the 1/2 mile wide, fenced toll road from mexico to canada, I suspect the bad guys could just congregate in mexico and take numbers.


17 posted on 05/10/2007 3:07:37 PM PDT by kerryusama04 (John 19:31)
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No, I’ve seen the movie a few times, and purchased the DVD last year.


18 posted on 05/10/2007 3:07:39 PM PDT by wastedyears (I was opposed to Rudy in the mid 1990s when he took my fireworks away. I was but a little boy.)
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To: wastedyears

I’ve wondered if Muslim teenagers feel this way and some sort of misplaced bravado causes them to fight our troops. I know Red Dawn is just a movie, but if some evil ideology such as al Queada preaches should fall on the ears of teens who feel that their plight is hopeless, certainly they could be brain washed into battling us. Why else would anyone try to take on the most powerful military might on earth?


19 posted on 05/10/2007 3:08:55 PM PDT by berstbubble
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To: Dumpster Baby
>It would take at least 10 times the D-Day forces at Normandy to invade the US on any coast

Isn't the theory
that millions of Chinese troops
will be stacked inside

container ships then
grounded along the west coast
to conquer us all!

20 posted on 05/10/2007 3:10:00 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: saganite

When this movie was made Patrick Swayze looked like a kid just out of high school, Charlie Sheen looked like a kid still in high school, Powers Boothe was believable as a USAF Colonel and a good guy, and the Soviet Union was still a major threat.


21 posted on 05/10/2007 3:11:04 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Go Rudy Go! (And take McCain with you!))
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To: wastedyears

Impractical. The government has enough weapons in storage for almost every US citizen to fight back an invasion. It would also be obvious as hell that someone was to invade because of the buildup it would require, ie. movement of troops, equipment, etc.


22 posted on 05/10/2007 3:12:28 PM PDT by PJBankard (Americans love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser. -Gen. George Patton)
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To: theFIRMbss

“Isn’t the theory that millions of Chinese troops will be stacked inside container ships then grounded along the west coast to conquer us all!”

ROTFLMAO!

Question: How do you kill millions of Chinese troops!
Answer: see above quote

If they don’t all die of suffocation or drowning in sh** and pi**, we will always have General Pelosi to protect us.


23 posted on 05/10/2007 3:15:05 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: wastedyears

West Germany did not allow the movie to be shown there, and the media here, hated it.

I love it.


24 posted on 05/10/2007 3:15:46 PM PDT by ansel12 ((America, love it ,or at least give up your home citizenship before accepting ours too.))
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To: VRWCmember

The TV show Jericho would be a better question.
Anybody watch this grat show?


25 posted on 05/10/2007 3:15:51 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: wastedyears

As long as MC is heading up DHS there’s really nothing to worry about.


26 posted on 05/10/2007 3:17:42 PM PDT by Ieatfrijoles ("Some hams hanging in the kitchen were taken out for burial")
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To: 43north

“To keep our country we have to defend it from the jihadists AND the liberals.”

I worry more about the libs. You can kill the jihadis, but if you even argue with a lib you will get hauled before the Thought Crimes court.


27 posted on 05/10/2007 3:17:45 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: wastedyears

Ain’t gonna happen the Red Dawn way. The folks in the Capital are going to give the country away.

A more likely scenarion is massive civil unrest from the barbarian hordes that we’ve allowed across the border.
In the course of these events the cops and NG are ordered to arrest and / or disarm anyone who DARES defend themselves, their property, their community, or their nation.

If you’re lookin’ for a foreign enemy military, the add UN troops invited in for “pacification” and “peacekeeping.”


28 posted on 05/10/2007 3:17:56 PM PDT by Little Ray (Rudy Guiliani: if his wives can't trust him, why should we?)
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To: Yorlik803

I watched it a little at first, but it was kind of hard to get into it.


29 posted on 05/10/2007 3:18:01 PM PDT by VRWCmember (Go Rudy Go! (And take McCain with you!))
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To: wastedyears
Paraphrase: Wolverine: "And what are the Chinese doing about this? There's a BILLION of them."

Bird Col.: "As of 30 minutes ago, there are now HALF a billion Chinese."

Ivan and the Dragon aren't really the problem. One point two billion Muslims bent on a world Caliphate are. And Pooty Poot and Who know it.

5.56mm

30 posted on 05/10/2007 3:18:36 PM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: wastedyears

Loved this flick, but Russia is no longer in any shape to do this anymore. China isn’t yet, but they’re working to get there.


31 posted on 05/10/2007 3:21:19 PM PDT by DesScorp
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To: neocon1984
>How do you kill millions of Chinese troops!

Well, the Chinese would
work out the kinks invading
Taiwan first, then us . . .

China's container ship fleet and Taiwan's security (MUST READ, chinese sneak attack?)
32 posted on 05/10/2007 3:21:20 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss
millions of Chinese troops will be stacked inside container ships

Spam In A Can. I'd love to see how that played out. Target rich environment. :0)


33 posted on 05/10/2007 3:22:29 PM PDT by Dumpster Baby ("Hope somebody finds me before the rats do .....")
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To: wastedyears

We have been invaded by idiots, and they’ve taken over Congress.


34 posted on 05/10/2007 3:23:04 PM PDT by wizr (Freedom ain't free.)
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To: VRWCmember

It is a lot better than “ Lost” And has enough action to keep you interested.
A very good story line and realistic plot..plus it it Pro Gun Owner Kinda...


35 posted on 05/10/2007 3:24:07 PM PDT by Yorlik803 ( When are we going to draw a line a say"this far and no farther")
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To: reagan_fanatic

I wouldn’t be too sure about your first condition (organized army), or the second.


36 posted on 05/10/2007 3:24:11 PM PDT by Little Pig (Is it time for "Cowboys and Muslims" yet?)
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To: wastedyears
It's good that Patrick Swayze was willing to risk his life to fight communism.

But he just caved on "dirty dancing" and let that take over. Where was he then, huh?

37 posted on 05/10/2007 3:25:02 PM PDT by x
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To: reagan_fanatic
Our country is being invaded right now - the only difference is, they’re not part of an organized army, carrying weapons or riding in tanks.

Actually, many of them DO carry weapons and ARE organized - in gangs.

38 posted on 05/10/2007 3:26:52 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (I will always love you, Flyer.)
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To: wastedyears

She’ll get elected president.


39 posted on 05/10/2007 3:28:47 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: wastedyears
I would think an overseas invasion would be a remote possibility at this time. However, Russia is apparently reverting back to its old Soviet ways, and China is a superpower wannabe with an improving tech and industrial infrastructure and plenty of manpower. Marxist regimes have a greater foothold in the Western Hemisphere than at even the height of the Cold War. The Democratic Party is being transformed into a soft Marxist organization, so that Hillary Clinton of all people is now considered not left wing enough by many party activists.

However, should Mexico fall to a leftist regime, and an independent Quebec go Marxist, there would then exist land bases from which to stage an invasion. There are several areas of instability that could be exploited to cause a high level of civil strife and maybe even a second civil war. These include many millions of unassimilated illegals who may be made "legal" in the near future; networks of radical Muslim terrorists, not all of whom are Middle Eastern, but could also be white (as with the Albanians recently charged with trying to attack Fort Dix), Asian (Indonesian and Malaysian), or black (the Beltway snipers); militant non-Muslim blacks like the New Black Panther Party; hard core Marxists like the Worker's World party or Act Up; and "faux right" white separatist militia groups, infiltrated by Muslim or Russian agents. Combine these factors with either a weak kneed liberal Administration like one under Obama or Edwards or a heavy handed Administration like one under Hillary that would try confiscating private firearms and purging the military and Federal law enforcement agencies of conservative personnel. There could then be a breakdown of civil order in this country or even a civil war that would provide cover for foreign intervention.

There are a lot of "ifs" and "maybes" in the above scenarios. However, vigilance is always necessary so that it will not happen here.

40 posted on 05/10/2007 3:29:20 PM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: wastedyears

The Japanese knew it was hopeless. One of their generals said, “Behind every blade of grass would be an American with their rifle.”

They were referring to the fact that we are a well-armed militia with our right to bear arms.

Pretty formidible to foreign enemies, the thought that there are as many guns as people in the US.


41 posted on 05/10/2007 3:30:24 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (Ignorance should be painful)
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To: wastedyears

Anyone see “The Postman”? Sort of the same scenario ....


42 posted on 05/10/2007 3:31:05 PM PDT by SkyDancer ("There Are Two Theories To Arguing With Women. Neither One Works")
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To: wastedyears
If you REALLY want to know how we will lose the country, I'll tell you. Then I'll tell you how we get it back, and what kind of world it will be.

Just ask...

43 posted on 05/10/2007 3:31:07 PM PDT by Wingy
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To: saganite
I think the scenario in The Army of the 12 Monkees is more likely.

Was that the movie with Bruce Willis? That was the most bizarre, depressing thing I've ever seen in my life.

44 posted on 05/10/2007 3:31:14 PM PDT by lesser_satan (FRED THOMPSON '08)
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To: Yorlik803
They are not very good marksman 'cept for one guy and the other in the tank.

If you can see your target, you should be able to hit it.

45 posted on 05/10/2007 3:31:42 PM PDT by Deguello
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To: Deguello

Wolverines!

 

46 posted on 05/10/2007 3:31:54 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: krb

“Most of the precursor stuff (shown in yellow text at the very beginning of the movie) has already happened (Mexicans fleeing their country, Greens taking over Europe, etc.) and I don’t think it has moved us that much closer to armed invasion.”

We’ve already been invaded by millions of military age men from other countries and are living and working here now. all that has to happen is for the Mexican truckers to start bringing their weapons to them.


47 posted on 05/10/2007 3:32:47 PM PDT by dljordan
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To: reagan_fanatic

Col. Andy Tanner: “Yeah. That’s right. ‘filtrators, came up illegal from Mexico.”


48 posted on 05/10/2007 3:34:12 PM PDT by Unknowing (Now is the time for all good men to come to the aid of their country.)
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To: wastedyears

In the state of Pennsylvania alone, on the first day of hunting, the number of armed hunters in the woods is greater than all the armies in Europe. Besides,, why invade when you can just get Democrats in power.


49 posted on 05/10/2007 3:34:40 PM PDT by freemike
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To: wastedyears

Why would they try to invade us, they have control of the US House and Senate already.


50 posted on 05/10/2007 3:34:41 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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