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Giuliani reaffirms abortion-rights stance in Houston
Houston Chronicle ^ | 11 May 2007 | Dale Lezon

Posted on 05/11/2007 12:37:27 PM PDT by Spiff

Giuliani reaffirms abortion-rights stance in Houston

By DALE LEZON

Saying he believes abortion is "morally wrong," Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani told an audience at Houston Baptist University this morning that he respects a women's right to choose to have the procedure.

"I believe you have to respect their viewpoint and give them a level of choice," the former New York City mayor told a crowd of about 300 students and faculty at the school's Mabee Teaching Theater.

His remarks are part of an effort by Giuliani's campaign to clarify his support for abortion rights in the coming weeks, despite the political risks of alienating conservative voters. Giuliani has been criticized for what some have called confusing, sometimes contradictory statements on the topic.

In a stump speech outlining his plans to battle terrorism and tackle economic and social issues, Giuliani urged listeners to find common ground with him even though they may disagree with him. Tolerating differences makes the country what it is, he said.

"We understand how to respect each other's difference," he said. "It's in our DNA."

He said a strong military presence to fight the war on terror is necessary and that withdrawing troops from Iraq could lead to slaughter among the Sunni and Shia sects. And if leaders decide to begin withdrawing forces, they should not give the enemy a timetable for the withdraw.

His views and candor resonated with some students.

"He respects the choices of others," said Samantha Haddox, 20, a junior. "Because he respects others, I respect him."

Andrew Miller, 19, said he opposes a woman's right to choose abortion, but he accepts Giuliani's stand on the issue and could vote for him.

"I like that he took a personal stand on abortion, that he believes it's morally wrong."

A Republican, Miller said he Giuliani could make a good president despite his abortion stance because he likes Giuliani's position on fighting terrorism aggressively.


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It is quite telling about where the reporter stands on this issue that he could find 3 pro-abortion/pro-choice students at Houston Baptist University to quote, but he couldn't find a single pro-life student there. Liberal idiot, biased reporting.
1 posted on 05/11/2007 12:37:33 PM PDT by Spiff
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To: Spiff

The Houston Comical. Nuff said.


2 posted on 05/11/2007 12:40:17 PM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...

(((((STOP RUDY PING)))))


3 posted on 05/11/2007 12:42:34 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff
This is the stance Rudy should have taken all along. I'm not going to say it will work, but at least it's honest. That he tried to squirm for so long is really troubling in a candidate who is supposedly "intelligent."

His handlers are obviously not earning their keep.

4 posted on 05/11/2007 12:46:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Duncan Hunter for President)
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To: Spiff
This could be part of why Rudy's numbers continue to drop like a rock.
5 posted on 05/11/2007 12:47:11 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Duncan Hunter wears Fred Thompson pajamas!)
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To: Spiff

I guess he figured his contortions weren’t doing him any good. He’s right, his lying was pathetic. Problem is, his pro-infantacide stance is even worse.


6 posted on 05/11/2007 12:47:47 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Spiff

The Rooty Equation:

I believe abortion is “morally wrong,” and I hate abortion (b/c I know abortion kills a unborn child).

But I respect a women’s right to choose (to kill her unborn child).


7 posted on 05/11/2007 12:50:15 PM PDT by Liz (Rudy Giuliani: Guinness World Record for Having The Most Positions on Abortion.)
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To: Spiff

The more I read/see/hear about Mr. Guiliani, the less I like him. That leadership he displayed on 9/11 must have been a fluke. He’s coming off as a spineless RINO now.

In all fairness though, I’m not happy with most of the rest of the Republican crop either.

Please Fred Thompson, make an announcement and soon. :)


8 posted on 05/11/2007 12:50:32 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: Spiff
"I believe you have to respect their viewpoint and give them a level of choice,"

That's nice how that works. Men get off morally pure.

Morally wrong = Respect.

Very convenient.

9 posted on 05/11/2007 12:51:59 PM PDT by donna (Men are the new women.)
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To: Spiff

“He respects the choices of others,”

Then I’m sure he’ll understand what happened on the morning after the first big primary when his sorry a** is in a sling.


10 posted on 05/11/2007 12:53:35 PM PDT by tumblindice
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To: Spiff

“I don’t believe in murder, it’s morally wrong. But, hey whatever works for you is fine with me.” Moron.


11 posted on 05/11/2007 12:55:02 PM PDT by ladtx ("You know you are getting old when everything either dries up or leaks." Will Rogers)
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To: fatnotlazy
That leadership he displayed on 9/11 must have been a fluke.

You know, I've been saying the same thing for a long time now. What did Rudy really do during 9-11? Tour Ground Zero, and make some tough talking speeches? Big whoop, *I* could have done that. Anyone could. Rudy's no leader. He's made some good decisions, such as how to deal with NYC's massive Dinkins-induced crime rate, but even then, he wasn't exactly acting on new ideas, but what right-leaning sociologists had been saying for decades.

Rudy's a sap. He's been floating on name recognition, and now he's hoping that, since his numbers are tanking, he can try to lure in non-Republicans to vote in the primaries and hand him the win that Republicans themselves won't give him.

12 posted on 05/11/2007 12:56:07 PM PDT by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Duncan Hunter wears Fred Thompson pajamas!)
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To: Spiff

Rudy appears to be in the midst of a calculated move to turn his back on us conservatives.

It will be his undoing.

Run Fred, RUN!!


13 posted on 05/11/2007 12:56:35 PM PDT by upchuck (Who will support Fred Thompson? Anyone who enjoys a dose of common sense not wrapped in doublespeak.)
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To: pissant

He’ll also have the same border control plan as Bush. NONE. He’s also a gun grabber.


14 posted on 05/11/2007 12:56:36 PM PDT by Ron in Acreage (FRED/ROMNEY 08-The Winning Ticket)
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To: Ron in Acreage

From Hunter’s arm twisting, Bush signed the 850 mile border fence bill. Rudy is opposed to that.


15 posted on 05/11/2007 12:57:38 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Spiff
Saying he believes abortion is "morally wrong," Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani

Rudy, why is it morally wrong?

16 posted on 05/11/2007 12:57:46 PM PDT by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: fatnotlazy; Carry_Okie
That leadership he displayed on 9/11 must have been a fluke And largely a myth, due to media posturing and a certain famous stump speech. The real credit belongs to the very well trained Port Authority police, to say nothing of Howard Safir (fire commissioner) and the rapid response of the NYPD rank and file, who clearly earned the title "The Finest" that day.

I will give Rudy some credit, but not most of it. They guys ratings were in the toilet for a good reason prior to 9/11: He was focused and effective in his first term, but his increasing belief in his own celebrity caused him to lose focus in his second term.

17 posted on 05/11/2007 12:59:03 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: Spiff
It is quite telling about where the reporter stands on this issue that he could find 3 pro-abortion/pro-choice students at Houston Baptist University to quote, but he couldn't find a single pro-life student there. Liberal idiot, biased reporting.

The Houston Chronicle is a biased joke, but you've committed the same sloppiness, misrepresentation, and dishonesty that the media regularly employs. There are only two students quoted. The first did not specifically state her position on abortion, but her statement suggest that she may indeed be pro-abortion. However the second interviewed clearly said that he is pro-life: "Andrew Miller, 19, said he opposes a woman's right to choose abortion..."

Not that facts matter to the goon squad these days.

18 posted on 05/11/2007 1:02:42 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy-Fred 08.)
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To: Xenalyte

Say, didn’t you use to attend or teach at HBU?


19 posted on 05/11/2007 1:03:25 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy-Fred 08.)
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To: weegee
"The Houston Comical. Nuff said."

That is really weak. Especially when you consider many other newspapers and wire services have this story too.

20 posted on 05/11/2007 1:04:05 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: Spiff

I want to hear more on his view that government is obliged to pay people to exercise their civil rights.


21 posted on 05/11/2007 1:05:22 PM PDT by DManA
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To: Diddle E. Squat
So much for your promise to leave, eh?

"It was fun while it lasted. And then the cancer overwhelmed it. Bye."

It was nice while it lasted....

22 posted on 05/11/2007 1:06:47 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Come on. Rooty`s playing off both sides of the abortion issue. he may gain some support from wishy-washy centrists, but conservatives ain't gonna buy what he's selling. I like what this guy said on the subject:

"I disagree with Rudy Giuliani on the life issue and I think the rationale that he gives I disagree with even more because that's the same as saying, 'Well, I'm personally opposed to slavery, but if somebody else wants to own slaves, that's fine.'"

~~~ JC Watts

NAILED!!! Thanks JC!

23 posted on 05/11/2007 1:10:31 PM PDT by Reagan Man (FUHGETTABOUTIT Rudy....... Conservatives don't vote for liberals!)
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To: Spiff
Linking in previous discussion.
24 posted on 05/11/2007 1:11:38 PM PDT by Petronski (Fred Thompson!)
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To: NapkinUser

And why exactly did you go to my homepage just now? Looking for a reason to whip the bloodthirsty mob into another purge because someone posted something you didn’t like? How brave. So you’ve probably also scanned my recent posts and can easily see a vast dropoff.


25 posted on 05/11/2007 1:12:59 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy-Fred 08.)
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To: Spiff

Sounds like Houston Baptist University is turning out dimwit relativists.


26 posted on 05/11/2007 1:13:15 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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To: Spiff

Yes, quite telling : )


27 posted on 05/11/2007 1:29:17 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Liz; Spiff

“The Rooty Equation:

I believe abortion is “morally wrong,” and I hate abortion (b/c I know abortion kills a unborn child).

But I respect a women’s right to choose (to kill her unborn child).”

If this is not clear, please send for my free booklet.... : )


28 posted on 05/11/2007 1:31:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus

Titus, I can’t quite put a handle on my increasing disaffection for this gent.

However, it is real and palpable — and I expect it is because Giuliani depicts for me a rather clear example of an essentially “lightweight” politician.

Let’s remember those many years ago, just how His Honor was elected. Again, on one issue — law and order.

But, look who and what he surrounded himself with, while Mayor. Shameful in the extreme.

In the final analysis, I am ever more feeling that there is really no “there there” with this gentleman.

Lets dust off Thompson and Hunter. At least we would then have a serious look at the real thing.

We conservatves had better get our act together sooner rather than later if we are to have ANY chance of beating out the increasisngly ominous Liberal gaggle; esspecially when we consider the very real threat posed by the left to the long-term well-being of our Republic.


29 posted on 05/11/2007 1:31:35 PM PDT by dk/coro
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To: Diddle E. Squat
The Houston Chronicle is a biased joke, but you've committed the same sloppiness, misrepresentation, and dishonesty that the media regularly employs. There are only two students quoted. The first did not specifically state her position on abortion, but her statement suggest that she may indeed be pro-abortion. However the second interviewed clearly said that he is pro-life: "Andrew Miller, 19, said he opposes a woman's right to choose abortion..."

I stand corrected. He interviewed 2 students, not 3. And he also said that one was opposed to "a woman's right to choose abortion" - which I missed. Thank you for pointing that out.

Not that facts matter to the goon squad these days.

Goon squad?! Screw you, Rudytard.

I liked your opus. Short and to the point:

It was fun while it lasted. And then the cancer overwhelmed it. Bye.

Now, go back to your pathetic little pro-abort libtard forum and play with your pathetic little pro-abort libtard buddies. You shouldn't be associating with us conservative "extremists" - the "fetus wing" - who have been "holding their foot to the neck" of the Republican Party for too long.

30 posted on 05/11/2007 1:31:40 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Spiff

Rudy should just change parties and run as a democrat. He’d be the next president.


31 posted on 05/11/2007 1:45:43 PM PDT by this is my name not yours
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To: Spiff

I spent the afternoon watching the HBU Huskies (baseball)
win the regional 6 championship! down 6 to 1...2 outs... bottom of the ninth they scored 6 runs...2 balks helped!


32 posted on 05/11/2007 1:52:11 PM PDT by bobbyd (Flyer, I love and miss you...Lords best my FRiend)
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To: Spiff

Rudy might as well have said “I am personally opposed to premeditated first degree murder, but I respect the right of the killer to make the decision to fatally shoot his victim.”

What’s the difference RudyTooty?

You want to talk about ‘choice’?

How about the unborn baby, don’t they get a ‘choice’?

[crickets chirping]


33 posted on 05/11/2007 2:04:20 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Diddle E. Squat; NapkinUser
And why exactly did you go to my homepage just now?

Because it is there numbnutz, if you don't somebody looking at it, don't post it.

Looking for a reason to whip the bloodthirsty mob into another purge because someone posted something you didn’t like? How brave. So you’ve probably also scanned my recent posts and can easily see a vast dropoff.

You're the type that everytime you hear a police siren, you automatically assume they're coming after you, right?

It's not about you, ok?

Lighten up Francis.
34 posted on 05/11/2007 2:07:04 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Spiff

Rudy and his supporters are from Venus, while
we conservatives are from Mars.

And never the twain shall meet.


35 posted on 05/11/2007 2:08:32 PM PDT by tumblindice ("Let me say this about that. As former NYC mayor, I remain firm but flexible. By that I mean, maybe)
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To: tumblindice
Rudy and his supporters are from Venus, while we conservatives are from Mars. And never the twain shall meet.

Venus?

You mean mons venus, don't you? ;)
36 posted on 05/11/2007 2:14:28 PM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Maybe a secret decoder ring?


37 posted on 05/11/2007 2:15:08 PM PDT by Liz (Rudy Giuliani: Guinness World Record for Having The Most Positions on Abortion.)
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To: Spiff
Saying he believes abortion is "morally wrong," Republican presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani told an audience at Houston Baptist University this morning that he respects a women's right to choose to have the procedure.

Hehehe, those wacky NYers.
38 posted on 05/11/2007 2:22:56 PM PDT by Vision ("Blessed is the man who trusts in the Lord, whose confidence is in him." Jeremiah 17:7)
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Thanks for so quickly proving my point. But since I am and always have been pro-life, I actually am a member of the “fetus wing”. Of course I’ve never used that term, but nice try. Nor have I ever type that last ‘quote’, though if I haven’t used the term ‘extremist’ in regards to some of the out of control nutters lately then consider that an oversight. Yes, I post on other websites, because I can actually discuss with people who don’t agree with me on every single issue. Is that somehow bad now? Wow, a whole whopping 38 posts in almost 2 months, were you disappointed that you couldn’t dig up any dirt? Are you aware that I also post on other websites about politics, sports, business, and the weather? And what’s the point in snooping around like that? Is that supposed to be intimidating, or a purity test, or are you going to ask me to wear a yellow star now, or what? Used to be FR spoke out against Pellicano-esque tactics, now the recent goon squad employs them. I found it particularly disgusting the way that little video was frothingly posted repeatedly on the purge thread, ya know, the video of a guy pummeling over and over someone on the ground. Reminded me of what the Dem union goons did to Don Adams. Sad irony, how some have become what they fought so hard against.


39 posted on 05/11/2007 2:23:38 PM PDT by Diddle E. Squat (Rudy-Fred 08.)
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To: Spiff

Well good for Rudy,, You stick to those guns , Rudy..

To waffle now would only be a further revealment of how much of a politico you really are.


40 posted on 05/11/2007 2:32:01 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... In FReeP We Trust ...)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Thanks for so quickly proving my point. But since I am and always have been pro-life, I actually am a member of the “fetus wing”. Of course I’ve never used that term, but nice try. Nor have I ever type that last ‘quote’, though if I haven’t used the term ‘extremist’ in regards to some of the out of control nutters lately then consider that an oversight. Yes, I post on other websites, because I can actually discuss with people who don’t agree with me on every single issue. Is that somehow bad now? Wow, a whole whopping 38 posts in almost 2 months, were you disappointed that you couldn’t dig up any dirt? Are you aware that I also post on other websites about politics, sports, business, and the weather? And what’s the point in snooping around like that? Is that supposed to be intimidating, or a purity test, or are you going to ask me to wear a yellow star now, or what? Used to be FR spoke out against Pellicano-esque tactics, now the recent goon squad employs them. I found it particularly disgusting the way that little video was frothingly posted repeatedly on the purge thread, ya know, the video of a guy pummeling over and over someone on the ground. Reminded me of what the Dem union goons did to Don Adams. Sad irony, how some have become what they fought so hard against.

Are you done? I mean, you said "Bye..." quite a while back. How long is this opus going to last? Goon squad? Nazi references?

So, you didn't like the animated gif of fictional character Michael Bolton in the movie Office Space beating on a piece of office equipment used to illustrate what FReepers desired to do to Giuliani's campaign? What a cry baby.

Here...I've got an animated gif just for you to illustrate your behavior here lately:

If you're pro-life, as you allege, then why in the world would you ever support a pro-abortionist liberal like Giuliani?!! More of that beating yourself up thing, I guess.

41 posted on 05/11/2007 2:34:08 PM PDT by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: All

“”We understand how to respect each other’s difference,” he said. “It’s in our DNA.”’

in our DNA?? Is Rudy serious? That’s like saying we have no free will.


42 posted on 05/11/2007 2:46:34 PM PDT by Sun (Vote for Duncan Hunter in the primaries. See you there.)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
And why exactly did you go to my homepage just now?

To get that quote. I remembered reading it from a while back. Someone listed a name of Rudymite-Freepers who got banned and I went to check, and your homepage came up (showing you weren't actually banned) and I read the quote. That was weeks ago. If you don't want someone seeing it, why put it there?

Looking for a reason to whip the bloodthirsty mob into another purge because someone posted something you didn’t like? How brave.

You haven't the slightest inkling what the heck you are talking about. You have an anger issue too it would seem from yours posts.

So you’ve probably also scanned my recent posts and can easily see a vast dropoff.

Again you assume, and again you are wrong. Batting .1000 there. I never checked your posting history. Stop acting like a dipsh** all the time.

43 posted on 05/11/2007 2:52:16 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: tumblindice

“Rudy and his supporters are from Venus”

Or perhaps Uranus?


44 posted on 05/11/2007 2:58:13 PM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: Texas_Jarhead

bumpmark


45 posted on 05/11/2007 3:43:50 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead ("nothing gets figured out if you don't bother to stop and think about it", Thomas Sowell)
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To: Diddle E. Squat

Sure did - I attended from 1986 to 1990, and earned two degrees.


46 posted on 05/11/2007 5:02:49 PM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: Spiff

When I was there, Houston Baptist University was anything but conservative. It’s just a name.


47 posted on 05/11/2007 5:03:34 PM PDT by Xenalyte (You have to defile a mummy completely, or they come back to life. You know that.)
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To: Spiff
How can someone support something they think is morally wrong?
That is a serious character flaw.
48 posted on 05/11/2007 5:44:37 PM PDT by elizabetty ("Al Gore doesn't need to reduce his carbon footprint, he needs to reduce his carbs!" Mitt Romney)
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To: Spiff

It’s so nice to see Freepers recognizing Rudy for the moral flake and intellectual dimwit that he so manifestly is.


49 posted on 05/11/2007 10:20:29 PM PDT by farmer18th
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To: Spiff
"We understand how to respect each other's difference," he said. "It's in our DNA."

Is forcing taxpayers to fund another person's difference also in your DNA????

50 posted on 05/12/2007 5:40:25 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Finally, global warming, the sun has come out after weeks of rain, maybe I won't be planting rice...)
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