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Lawmakers drafting bill to make sex through deceit a form of rape
Boston.com ^ | 05/11/2007

Posted on 05/11/2007 3:08:39 PM PDT by JohnSheppard

BOSTON --Two state lawmakers are drafting legislation that would make using deceit to have sex a form a rape.

The move comes a day after the state's Supreme Judicial Court ruled that a man who tricked a woman into having sex with him could not be convicted of rape because no force was used. The woman said her boyfriend's brother climbed into bed with her while she was asleep and pretended to be her boyfriend. She said she would not have consented to sex if she had known who it was.

State Rep. Peter Koutoujian, D-Waltham, and Sen. Stephen Buoniconti, D-West Springfield, both former prosecutors, said Friday they are working with the victims advocate group Jane Doe Inc. to draft an amendment to the state's rape law.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption
KEYWORDS: feminists; idiocy; liberals; rape

1 posted on 05/11/2007 3:08:42 PM PDT by JohnSheppard
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To: JohnSheppard
BOSTON --Two state lawmakers are drafting legislation that would make using deceit to have sex a form a rape.

180 days later : Government officials are puzzled by the mass migration of single males out of the Commonwealth.

2 posted on 05/11/2007 3:10:44 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Killing all of your enemies without mercy is the only sure way of sleeping soundly at night.)
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To: JohnSheppard
Whoa! Back up - I thought liberals are against legislating morality. Since when do Democrats believe deceit is wrong?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 05/11/2007 3:11:46 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Centurion2000

Except the gay ones.


4 posted on 05/11/2007 3:12:31 PM PDT by Andy'smom
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To: JohnSheppard

“The woman said her boyfriend’s brother climbed into bed with her while she was asleep and pretended to be her boyfriend.”

LOL. Is this girl also a “dancer” near Duke?

Obviously a B.S. story to cover for the fact she did the nasty with her boyfriend’s brother.

And what is the limit for this?

Is saying, “I’ll call ya baby enough?”

How about saying, “Yeah baby, I’m an astronaut.” Is that rape now?


5 posted on 05/11/2007 3:16:09 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Kol Hakavod Fred Thompson)
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To: JohnSheppard
The woman said her boyfriend's brother climbed into bed with her while she was asleep and pretended to be her boyfriend.

Happens all the time besides, all other problems in the world have been solved. /sarc

6 posted on 05/11/2007 3:16:22 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: JohnSheppard
Two state lawmakers are drafting legislation that would make using deceit to have sex a form a rape.

Looks like all those guys who promised 8" are in for a world of hurt.......LOL!

7 posted on 05/11/2007 3:17:20 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Contrary to all the movies, zombies do not eat brains. They are strict vegetarians.....)
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To: JohnSheppard

I wonder if it will include “Are you on the pill?” “Yes”

2 months later to the boyfriend “I’m prego”

“You Honor, she raped me!”

Or is this a “One Way” law?


8 posted on 05/11/2007 3:18:57 PM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: JohnSheppard

Gee, have they ever considered impeaching the judges on the MA Supreme Court?


9 posted on 05/11/2007 3:19:17 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: Hot Tabasco

There’s lot of unanswered questions, namely, did either of them enjoy their time together? And did they do safe sex or not bother?

And did it really happen that way? Ok, so it’s 3 a.m. and it’s dark and she’s half asleep. but still, does she feel somebody getting into bed and immediately “assume the position”???? some things just don’t add up about this case.


10 posted on 05/11/2007 3:20:46 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: MeanWestTexan
I can't believe she was THAT stupid. The Democrats want to protect stupid people. If this woman didn't bother to ask if he was her boyfriend, it may have been unethical but it wasn't illegal. Some people get taken advantage of all too easily - and crying rape here is crying wolf and it does a disservice to real rape victims.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

11 posted on 05/11/2007 3:21:12 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: JohnSheppard

Does silicon count?


12 posted on 05/11/2007 3:22:10 PM PDT by tje
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To: JohnSheppard
"The woman said her boyfriend's brother climbed into bed with her while she was asleep and pretended to be her boyfriend. She said she would not have consented to sex if she had known who it was."

An encounter as intimate as sexual intercourse pretty much precludes any defense of "I didn't know who it was". Does she want us to believe that she couldn't tell the difference between her lover and and another man while rolling in the hay? Nothing different about his kiss, his embrace, his privates, his 'style', his breath, his height, his weight, his groans and sighs? Sorry, doesn't fly here.

13 posted on 05/11/2007 3:22:51 PM PDT by CeasarsGhost
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To: CeasarsGhost
Agreed. Does she really have sex with her boyfriend asleep? Something doesn't compute here. The Democrats want to outlaw lying about sex - and this is delicious irony coming from the same folks who defended lying about sex back in the late 1990s! They don't see the irony here as liberals.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

14 posted on 05/11/2007 3:26:16 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: CeasarsGhost

Absolutely correct! Sums it all up and I couldn’t agree more.


15 posted on 05/11/2007 3:26:45 PM PDT by trimom
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To: JohnSheppard

Wow! Women who seduce a man can now be charged with rape.


16 posted on 05/11/2007 3:28:02 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: PeteB570

How about the infamous “I love You”.


17 posted on 05/11/2007 3:28:58 PM PDT by Global2010
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To: JohnSheppard; Slings and Arrows

What if it’s a guy dressed up to be a woman? I know some guys who may get drunk enough to fall for such a thing. I’d suspect some may have. lol


18 posted on 05/11/2007 3:29:43 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: trimom
1998: Democrats Defend Bill Clinton's Right To Lie About Sex As A Consensual Matter Defense. 2007: Democrats Want To Ban Lying About Sex As A Consensual Matter Defense.

Nope - liberals are perfectly consistent about lying - it all depends on WHO has the relationship.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

19 posted on 05/11/2007 3:30:51 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: JohnSheppard
Note to self: Stop using that "Howard Hughes heir" line when in Boston.

*sigh* And it worked SOOO well......

20 posted on 05/11/2007 3:31:13 PM PDT by GoldCountryRedneck ("The American Indians found out what happens when you don't control immigration."- unknown)
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To: JohnSheppard
The woman said her boyfriend's brother climbed into bed with her while she was asleep and pretended to be her boyfriend. She said she would not have consented to sex if she had known who it was.

I find this simply unbelievable, unless she is so used to men hopping into her bed, she can't figure out who is who on a nightly basis

OTHO, any man who is entrapped into being a father by a women seducing him so they can marry would also fall under this type of illogical, massive inertia thinking

Law of unintended conqueuses

21 posted on 05/11/2007 3:37:42 PM PDT by Popman (New American Dream: Move to Mexican, cross the border, become an illegal. free everything)
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To: JohnSheppard
The woman said her boyfriend's brother climbed into bed with her while she was asleep and pretended to be her boyfriend. She said she would not have consented to sex if she had known who it was

Yeah, that happens all the time. Better pass a few laws

22 posted on 05/11/2007 3:38:46 PM PDT by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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Well, it's curtains for the "$30,000 millionaires" with their ten-year-old Mercedes, fake Rolex, single pair of $700 shoes, and Armani suit from the consignment store. They are all going to be in the clink this time next year. At least it's a step up in respectability from Mom's basement.

-ccm

23 posted on 05/11/2007 3:41:10 PM PDT by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order.)
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To: JohnSheppard

That scene in “When Harry met Sally” just became a felony.


24 posted on 05/11/2007 3:43:04 PM PDT by SmithL (si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: JohnSheppard

” lawmakers are drafting legislation that would make using deceit to have sex a form a rape.”

Isn’t DECEIT the basis of getting laid...???

And, for THAT matter...

the impetus of MANY engagements and marriages....???


25 posted on 05/11/2007 3:46:33 PM PDT by JB in Whitefish
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To: Centurion2000

I’ve heard that the Kennedy’s are very opposed to this legistlation.


26 posted on 05/11/2007 3:48:47 PM PDT by proudpapa (Forget Rudy McRomney it's Duncan Hunter in '08!)
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To: Global2010

Or the old, ‘yes, I am rich.’


27 posted on 05/11/2007 4:20:37 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: JohnSheppard

So the old line “Baby, I’ll make you a star” just became rape in Massachusetts.


28 posted on 05/11/2007 4:24:54 PM PDT by the lone wolf (Good Luck, and watch out for stobor.)
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To: JohnSheppard
This is one of problems marriage was invented to prevent.

Because any female who agreed to have sex, for whatever reason—actual, imaginary, or perceived—outside of marriage was on her own.

That is, don’t come crying to us and gum up our courts and legal system with the results of your irresponsible behavior and bad judgment.

But of course, marriage is not for that anymore.

In fact marriage means nothing anymore because everyone is supposed to be able to do anything they feel like, and if the littlest thing goes wrong, society is supposed to come to the rescue.

You might as well get rid of marriage, because you have made it obsolete.

29 posted on 05/11/2007 4:29:11 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: JohnSheppard

What we really need here are women not too stupid to know who is in bed with them. How can we craft a suitable law?


30 posted on 05/11/2007 4:29:36 PM PDT by pabianice
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Hmm,, I cannot help but wonder whether when congress gets together to fix something like this, the fix will end up being worse than the problem! Isn’t this something that should be settled case by case, instead of some sweeping new law?? I am even more suspicious when congress wants to rush to fix something. What will the definition of deceit be?? “He told me he was rich but I found out later he wasn’t!”


31 posted on 05/11/2007 4:34:13 PM PDT by freemike
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To: JohnSheppard
"Your Honor, he raped me."

"He said he was really, really good"

"And he really, really wasn't."

32 posted on 05/11/2007 4:37:17 PM PDT by FixitGuy (By their fruits shall ye know them!)
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To: JohnSheppard

Deceit isn’t rape. Once again they’re watering down the definition to the point that it doesn’t mean anything.

(Not that deceit is okay, mind you.)


33 posted on 05/11/2007 4:38:48 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Some people are like slinkys, the idea of them tumbling down a flight of stairs makes you smile.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

> some things just don’t add up about this case.

Yes. There may have been...alcohol involved. Even so, if a strange piece of ass wandered into your bed, wouldn’t you know it?

It won’t be long before you have to sign a consent form with witnesses (sober) to have sex in Massachusetts. Maybe a notary public too.

I must say though...sex in Vermont is great.


34 posted on 05/11/2007 4:46:14 PM PDT by cloud8
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To: Age of Reason
This is one of problems marriage was invented to prevent.

No kidding. But in Massachusetts these days, they have come up with a better solution: Shack up in the basement of your boyfriend's dad's house and see who climbs into bed with you. If you don't like them, sue.

35 posted on 05/11/2007 5:29:36 PM PDT by madprof98 ("moritur et ridet" - salvianus)
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