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Iraqi Army receives M-16 and M-4 rifles
Blackanthem Military News ^ | May 11, 2007 | Sgt. 1st Class Nicholas Conner, 13th SC(E), LSA ANACONDA PAO

Posted on 05/11/2007 6:44:12 PM PDT by mdittmar

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To: investigateworld

I think that is what we are seeing with this, they aren’t planning on staying third world. AK to AR is a cultural shift in its self.


51 posted on 05/11/2007 10:35:37 PM PDT by Dead Dog
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To: Jacob Kell

I remember seeing a semi load of M-16s that had been captured from Salvadoran guerillas. Many of them had the mag housing corroded badly. There were a series of photos of a Vietnamese “arms dump” on some site a couple of years ago that would make a collector cry. Huge heaps of rotting, rusting guns of every type just piled up in an open field. Most of the wood stocks were rotted clean away.


52 posted on 05/11/2007 10:36:01 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: Dead Dog

Poland still uses a design based on the AK, and they are professional.


53 posted on 05/11/2007 10:56:25 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: Dead Dog
Okay, now that makes a lot of sense. For us who were raised in the Christian Faith, we see Iraq as a land of plotting and intrigue (see Book of Ester, Old Testament, Bible, Holy, 1 ea.)

Just could be....

54 posted on 05/11/2007 10:59:48 PM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: LoneStarLegend78
My understanding is that the very pronounced taper of the 7.62x39 negatively affects it's accuracy and that 6mm PPC is a more straightwalled cartridge. Of course that taper also is partly responsible for the AK's reliability, making it easier for the cartridge to load and extract.

As for the quality of Wolf and other surplus ammo out there, it seems strange to me that one particular cartridge would do so poorly. The 7.62x54R is no slouch when it comes to accuracy and although I've never owned a 5.45x39, people that do report that AK's in that caliber generally shoot 2 to 3 MOA.

55 posted on 05/11/2007 11:17:51 PM PDT by elmer fudd (Fukoku kyohei)
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To: LoneStarLegend78

Iran wants to distribute the KY-2000 to all frontline troops by 2010.


56 posted on 05/11/2007 11:20:35 PM PDT by Thunder90
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To: investigateworld

WW is fine ammo. I have one AR that will not hold accuracy with it. Funny, been through it several times can find no reason. My bolt action stuff all loves it.


57 posted on 05/12/2007 6:46:52 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (NSDQ)
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To: Comus
Right.

I think the biggest issue here is marksmanship.

Sure, an AK-47 is nearly unjammable and the M-16 requires intense maintenance but one huge difference in our military and the terrorists is the ability to hit the target.

Clearly, the Iraqi’s think the M-16 gives them an advantage.

Philosophically, I was shocked to see this decision by the Iraqis but maybe it indicates they’re bonding well with our guys, embracing our tactics and training, and are moving in a positive direction?

58 posted on 05/12/2007 7:23:17 AM PDT by ryan71 (You can hear it on the coconut telegraph...)
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To: Dead Dog
I think that is what we are seeing with this, they aren’t planning on staying third world. AK to AR is a cultural shift in its self.

That's how it looks to me too. Adopting the M-16 says "upward mobility".

59 posted on 05/12/2007 7:35:55 AM PDT by Yardstick
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Philosophically, I was shocked to see this decision by the Iraqis but maybe it indicates they’re bonding well with our guys, embracing our tactics and training, and are moving in a positive direction?

And doesn't Israel use the M-16? I think it's significant that Iraq would be willing to be seen with the same weapon. In Al-Jazeera footage of Israeli soldiers committing "atrocities" against the Palestinians, the soldiers carry M-16s.

60 posted on 05/12/2007 7:46:43 AM PDT by Yardstick
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To: mdittmar

It probably helps to know which gunshots are the good guys and which are the bad guys. Ditto on the color of the tracers.

If you want more attention to your thread, type “banglist” into the key words. That alerts the gunnys.


61 posted on 05/12/2007 8:04:11 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (NRA - Hunter '08)
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To: Dead Dog

I suspect any improvement in shooting when they switch from AK to AR will because of the US issued optics or commercial-off-the-shelf optics they are mounting on their weapons over there.

The US Military learned that magnified optical gunsights and NVG were huge force multipliers in Iraq and Afghanistan.


62 posted on 05/12/2007 8:57:31 AM PDT by GuineaRabbit
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To: John Leland 1789
The M4 is an M16 in carbine form (14.5" barrel) with a collapsing stock, the carry handle on top replaced with a Picatinny rail (usually - older versions don't have this, current production does), and a two- or three-rail fore-end for accessories. It's a later development of the old CAR-15.

M4, older model on bottom:

M16/AR15 (A4 variant):


63 posted on 05/12/2007 9:16:34 AM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: fso301

My son owes his hide to the limitations of the AK-47, having live through an ambush with unfrienleies armed with them.


64 posted on 05/12/2007 9:24:05 AM PDT by RobbyS ( CHIRHO)
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To: Spktyr

Thanks for the pix! They were great. I was a patrol dog handler and carried the “GAU” madel in the early 70s. Looked like the older M4


65 posted on 05/13/2007 6:24:11 PM PDT by John Leland 1789
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