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Throwing Down the Gauntlet
Town Hall ^ | May 12, 2007 | BrianR

Posted on 05/12/2007 10:57:57 AM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum

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To: Lurker
"The debate... over Giuliani’s candidacy has been is over."

Giuliani has committed political suicide.

He is now only nominally in the race.

His supporters, even right here on this forum, are disappearing and contributions to his campaign are drying up.

Romney is next.

21 posted on 05/12/2007 12:07:51 PM PDT by Bonaparte
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

Giuliani and his backers are not shocked at the response of Conservatives, like myself, to his candidacy. Their emphasis has been on determining the depth, width, and length of support available to Rudy from within the GOP’s ranks. If his GOP nomination should result, and I doubt that, they will of course be delighted. However, I sense that Rudy is angling toward another goal; and that would be putting his stamp onto the middle. The ambivalence that characterizes his campaign, IMHO, is more than mere miscalculation on Rudy’s part. He has no doubt been impressed with Lieberman’s approach. And I am watching for what could be the most fractured presidential campaign since 1860.


22 posted on 05/12/2007 12:14:10 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: PerConPat

And we know what followed that election...


23 posted on 05/12/2007 12:16:46 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
...But when you look at what he’s worked for, it’s hard to believe he’d compromise his core values after getting elected...

I'm not trying to be snippy, but please, just what has RG 'worked for'?

"Core Values"? It seems he is more flexable than a Gumby figure.

24 posted on 05/12/2007 12:27:36 PM PDT by Inquisitive1
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Rudy Guiliani was a great mayor of NYC because NYC is so liberal that it would not elect a conservative and Guiliani was the only liberal who would do the things essential to the livability of the city.

It's pretty hard to be upbeat about an election where we are offered unknowns like Duncan Hunter and knowns like Guiliani and McCain when what we know about the "knowns" is that they care about their own power and position more than they care about the Constitution. Romney, like Guiliani, has the sort of track record which is what you expect from someone who got elected in a very liberal constituency. And even Fred Thompson is IMHO far too cozy with the perspective of John McCain.

We are brought to this pass, I'm afraid, by George Bush. Mr. Bush is a good man, as men go, but like his father not a good future builder for the Republican Party. He needed Guiliani to campaign for him, and as a result the party heirarchy owes Guiliani. And nothing this article says against a Guiliani nomination overstates the case. To it you must add the flamboyantly messy personal life.


25 posted on 05/12/2007 12:34:24 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
And we know what followed that election...

Yes. We have a sworn, deadly enemy (Islamofascists) in our faces and those (Rats) who would ignore the threat to our existence for political expediency at our backs. I don't see how the relatively small, but always most powerful, creative segment of our population that constitutes the patriotic backbone of the nation can endure this situation much longer. Something has to give.
26 posted on 05/12/2007 12:34:41 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

True Dat...


27 posted on 05/12/2007 12:37:22 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

I will not support Giuliani in the primaries and will actively work for others to be the GOP nominee instead of him.

If, for some reason, he is the nominee I will not only vote for him over any imaginable Democrat nominee but will actively work for him over the single issue of the fight against islamofascism.

And I will loudly condemn any conservative, under those circumstances, who fails to turn out to vote for him on November 4, 2008. We see what that approach got us last November.


28 posted on 05/12/2007 12:40:08 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
Giuliani is a "Schwarzenegger Republican". It is bad enough that Arnold won in California, but it's easy enough to shake that off - - it's California after all. But for another candidate of that ilk to win nationally would be the beginning of the Republican Dark Ages. There absolutely will be a window flung wide open for an alternative party to get traction, but that alternative party would stand little chance of winning until the new, liberal Republican Party was completely eradicated. Rat operatives would make sure that there was an ongoing split for as long as possible. Rudy must not win.
29 posted on 05/12/2007 12:47:43 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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"...... Giuliani’s candidacy is over."

The fact Giuliani even thought it possible - and some folks agreed with him - scares the hell out of me!

Fawn Hannity, has been blowing Giuliani's trumpet from day one....when he doesn't have Al Sharpton or some sleaze bag racist ignoramus from the Black Muslims, Black Panthers, or Nation of Islam on camera....

30 posted on 05/12/2007 12:54:19 PM PDT by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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The fact Giuliani even thought it possible - and some folks agreed with him - scares the hell out of me!

It scares the hell out of me, too. But, let's not assume Giuliani's blue state strategy couldn't work and do everything in our power to assure he is defeated.

Hannity has been a disgrace in his pandering to this RINO. I'm disgusted that Rush only discusses RINO Rudy in a favorable way as well. Maybe our conservative talk show hosts are as out -of-touch as leaders of the GOP.

31 posted on 05/12/2007 1:10:37 PM PDT by Ol' Sparky
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“It scares the hell out of me, too. But, let’s not assume Giuliani’s blue state strategy couldn’t work and do everything in our power to assure he is defeated.”

True wisdom that is!


32 posted on 05/12/2007 1:35:06 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
I respect those who are “pro-life” but it is not wise to be a ONE issue voter.
33 posted on 05/12/2007 1:49:37 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Cicero

“The stakes involve the future of the party, the conservative movement, and the country.”

Interesting and revealing that you list the country last.


34 posted on 05/12/2007 2:09:41 PM PDT by Continental Soldier
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

Pro-life, pro-2nd amendment, pro-liberty vs. nanny state...Social conservatives as a group are not one issue voters...We tend to be pro-Constitution...


35 posted on 05/12/2007 2:17:06 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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Look what he’s stood for: abortion rights, intrusive government, gun control. Ferret control, too, for that matter...


36 posted on 05/12/2007 2:19:22 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: Knitting A Conundrum

And let’s not even begin to forget how he fought for benefits for illegal aliens...


37 posted on 05/12/2007 2:20:04 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: jedward

Thanks for the ping. This essay sounds like any of hundreds of posts we’ve been seeing on Free Republic in the last few months regarding Giuliani. I find it refreshing that I can say that rudy splits the GOP and not have some rudybot tell me that it isn’t true. We all know that it’s true, we’re witnessing it in process.


38 posted on 05/12/2007 3:00:00 PM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RVBtPIrEleM)
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“We all know that it’s true, we’re witnessing it in process.”

Yep. It’s sad when an enemy wants to see us be divided and conquered, but some just don’t want to see that as possible or will become a willing participant knowingly or otherwise. Your quote above again rings true. No question.


39 posted on 05/12/2007 3:16:15 PM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: Bonaparte
His supporters, even right here on this forum, are disappearing

I have been a Rudy supporter, here.

My ditch to die in is the Constitution.

No one who believes that the 1788 Constitution, as amended, bars the People from restricting or ending abortion by statute is qualified to serve as President.

Even Rudy.

40 posted on 05/12/2007 3:20:22 PM PDT by Jim Noble (We don't need to know what Cho thought. We need to know what Librescu thought.)
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