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Atheists Better Pray to God They're Right
Townhall ^ | May 13, 2007 | Doug Giles

Posted on 05/13/2007 4:22:19 AM PDT by Kaslin

Paul (not the lead singer of the Beatles, but the apostle Paul) states that God has made Himself known, via creation, to all men. According to the apostle, God’s revealed Himself not just to Christians and to Jews, but to every one everywhere (see Romans 1:18-21).

This means that from Jo-Jo the Brazilian monkey boy, to the Cameroon pygmies, to the whiny lesbian agnostic smoking clove cigarettes at Starbucks, to the beer swillin’ dillweeds (What’s up, dudes? I’ll see after I pen this column! Keep ‘em cold.), to the brooding British atheists, all people know God exists—even if they can’t really put a finger on some of the finer points of His person.

Yes, through what has been made, God has plastered on the souls of earth’s citizenry the general revelation that He’s present. In addition, they also know when they’re being a jack ass and when they’re being cool (more on that next week).

I know the above 411 hurts the atheists to hear, seeing that they’ve staked so much of their imago on God’s non-existence. But c’mon, you know there’s Someone “out there,” so cut the crap, shave your goatee and find some other way to pick up chicks—okay, James Dean?

Look, if Paul’s right and people know that they know Him (even if it’s in some dull sense of the word), why do some trip over themselves and tie their brains in knots in order to curb this knowledge? Why do people go nuts looking for loopholes and supposed contradictions in the scripture, hypocrisies within the church and some shared semblance to an ape in order to convince themselves that God’s not here, there or anywhere and never has been nor ever will be?

Is it because . . .

They are Johnny Quest truth seekers looking to answer man’s $64,000 question?

They are evolutionary luminaries uncommonly endowed with more smarts than us poor cattle and are here to help us club foot our way up the Darwinian ladder and away from such primal fairy tales? Or is it simply because . . .

The existence of God, His standards and a day of personal accountability really, really, jacks with their efforts at autonomy and their chances of getting laid tonight?

The apostle Paul states it’s the latter.

Atheists, according to Santo Pablo, have suppressed the truth because God really cramps their style. It’s hard to persistently indulge the appetites of the flesh if there is a holy God to whom you must give account. The truth is that all men, who have not bowed their knee to God and His way, hate Him and are intrinsically geared against God. (I know that’s tight, but it’s right)

Jesus put it forcefully up fallen humanity’s tailpipe when He exposed why men reject the knowledge of God when He said, “Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil. For everyone who does evils hates the light, and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed” (Jn. 3.19-20).

This is easy math, folks: A man who has no remorse and thus no desire to repent from his sins is probably not going to be a big advocate for the existence, person and work of God.

You know that all the various no-God arguments—which, to be sure, are fun to debate and write about and blah, blah, blah—actually stem from the root of the atheist’s refusal to curtsy to what he already internally knows is true. It is this denial and refusal to embrace the general knowledge of God given through creation that officially pisseth off the Lord thy God and puts the atheist in a precarious position. My advice to my atheist buddies is this: you’d better pray to God that you’re right and that He doesn’t exist—because if you’re wrong, eternity is going to be rough.

To be continued . . .

Doug Giles is the creator and host of The Clash radio shows, winners of seven Silver Microphone Awards and two Communicator Awards in the last three years, and a contributing columnist on Townhall.com.


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1 posted on 05/13/2007 4:22:22 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

bttt to read after church


2 posted on 05/13/2007 4:26:54 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Kaslin

Interesting vernacular he uses, but he is 100% correct in his premise.


3 posted on 05/13/2007 4:28:33 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Kaslin
“Men love darkness rather than light because their deeds are evil.

....and that pretty much sums up the DBM, DU, the Democratic Party, most celebrities, and movie makers. They love darkness rather than light.

4 posted on 05/13/2007 4:28:47 AM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Kaslin
you know there’s Someone “out there,” so cut the crap, shave your goatee and find some other way to pick up chicks—okay, James Dean?

lol this guy's a riot! hahaha He nails the stereotype perfectly!

5 posted on 05/13/2007 4:32:40 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You know what they say about us guys with enormous carbon footprints...)
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To: Kaslin

Psalm 14:1


6 posted on 05/13/2007 4:33:22 AM PDT by crghill (Jacob Harmenszoon is no friend of mine!)
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To: Kaslin

Skepdic.com has a good article on prayer and ‘magical thinking’ as a counter.


7 posted on 05/13/2007 4:37:11 AM PDT by Tolsti
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To: SkyPilot
I can't imagine my pastor expressing it quite like this :^

........but I agree with you...

..he is 100% correct in his premise.

8 posted on 05/13/2007 4:37:54 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: SoftballMominVA

Looking at your list, it’s also telling how many of the loudest advocates of atheism are also entangled in homosexuality- and are bent on imposing the acceptance of no behavioral standards on the rest of us, in order to justify their lifestyle.


9 posted on 05/13/2007 4:38:28 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (You know what they say about us guys with enormous carbon footprints...)
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To: Kaslin
It's been my observation that most people who have strong dounbts and deep insecurities talk just like this guy. Noisy, contentious and so full of himself that he is hard to read.

He sacrifices the value of his point by writing things like,

"The existence of God, His standards and a day of personal accountability really, really, jacks with their efforts at autonomy and their chances of getting laid tonight?"

minimizing the thoughts of others and adding nothing to the conversation.

Whether or not G-d exists will always be unresolved on earth. Taking this tone (and there are many on both sides who do) adds nothing to the conversation.

10 posted on 05/13/2007 4:38:57 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (Free Sirhan Sirhan, after all, the bastard who killed Mary Jo Kopechne is walking around free)
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To: SkyPilot

You probably have’nt been to, say, a Jr. High School outreach at a non-denominational, Assembly of God, or Vinyard type church in the last few years, have you? :-)

This was pretty tame compared to a few things (”christian rap” for example — talke about 8 degrees of weird) that are pretty darned common in youth/young persons ministries at non-legacy protestant churches. This is a good thing, IMHO, because as Paul said-”I have become all things to all men so that by all means I might save some.”


11 posted on 05/13/2007 4:39:04 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [protest for... violence and peace])
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To: crghill
The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God...
..an apt verse indeed!
12 posted on 05/13/2007 4:39:44 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Kaslin

mark


13 posted on 05/13/2007 4:41:03 AM PDT by Christian4Bush (Dennis Miller said it best “Liberals always feel your pain. Unless of course, they caused it.”)
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To: L,TOWM; SkyPilot
That may be so today...

..but when my two were in their teens, Josh McDowell said it ever bit as forcefully....

.. without resorting to crudeness.

I don't think the passage from Paul-(you quote)- means going for the lowest common denominator.

14 posted on 05/13/2007 4:43:52 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: muir_redwoods
Whether or not G-d exists will always be unresolved on earth.

God exists. The only thing unresolved is what you are going to do regarding your heart towards Him.

15 posted on 05/13/2007 4:44:35 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: Kaslin
This is easy math, folks: A man who has no remorse and thus no desire to repent from his sins is probably not going to be a big advocate for the existence, person and work of God.

What a bunch of tripe,

But in the REAL world

1) Atheist/Agnostic are ~15% of the population yet make up just  0.2% of the prison population, while Christians make up 76.5% of the general population yet 83.8% of the prison population.

2) From 1991 to 2001, The Number of the non-religious doubled in number while at the same time the number calling themselves Christians declined by 10% this decline in Christianity is especially seen in young people.

Yet the even though the younger generations are the most unchristian,  violent crime rate has declined through this period, as well as the abortion rate dropped by about 25 percent for both married and unmarried women through the 1990s , The teen Pregnancy Rate Reached a Record Low, More Teenagers are saying no to sex and Drug use by teenagers continues to decline.

Now if believing in an invisable man in the sky had anything to do with being moral, As the country turns more secular wouldn't the trends be going in the opposite direction?

Here is two articles for ya' on how the morailty of young people in our country is improving greatly

Rush Limbaugh on the Next Generation and It's the Morning after in America

You will notice 1 thing missing from both articles, Religion.

3) Born Again Christians are more likely to divorce than Non-Christians

Born Again Adults  - 27%
All other adults - 24%

Non-denominational Protestant - 34%
Jews - 30%
Baptist - 29%
Mormons - 24%
Catholics - 21%
Lutherans - 21%
Atheists/Agnostics 21%

Not surprising then as the country became less Christian, the Divorce rate is now the lowest since 1970

4) The births to unmarried women rate is highest in the Bible Belt

5) Modern day Japan is for all practical purposes an Atheist country yet their society seems to be doing fine. Compare them to very Christian countries like those in Latin America whose societies are in constant chaos and turmoil. 

It's not hard to figure out why this is the case, just look at the philosophies

Atheist: This is all that's it, you only get one shot so don't screw it up

vs

Christian: God doesn't want you to sin but *Wink* *Wink*, God made you a sinner so do what you will just somewhere down the road just accept Jesus Christ as your personal savior and put some bucks in the collection plate and all is forgiven and you get to go to paradise for eternity!

16 posted on 05/13/2007 4:44:46 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: Guenevere
I can't imagine my pastor expressing it quite like this

Get used to it- this is the new wave of radical evangelism. The emerging generation will go for the jugular of societal change, and they don't give a crap about traditional sensibilities.

17 posted on 05/13/2007 4:45:16 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Democrats:more miserable than Donald Trump being forced to watch Rosie O’Donnell River Dance naked.)
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To: Kaslin

Excellent article. Thanks for posting.


18 posted on 05/13/2007 4:46:36 AM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: muir_redwoods
most people who have strong dounbts and deep insecurities talk just like this guy

I could say much the same for your post, what with the generalization fallacy, begging the question, and continuing on to a set of poor conclusions from a flawed starting point.

That's OK -- Jesus died for you just as much as he died for me, and if your conscience is starting to get to you, we can talk anytime on or offline about his plan for you.

19 posted on 05/13/2007 4:46:58 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [protest for... violence and peace])
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To: L,TOWM
You probably have’nt been to, say, a Jr. High School outreach at a non-denominational, Assembly of God, or Vinyard type church in the last few years, have you? :-)

Actually, I have seen a youth group perform a drama that was quite in tune with today's kids. It was fine though - done very well and scripted to a message they could relate to. So many children today are torn apart by divorce - and that was what they were speaking about. They related it biblically, and how God is always there for them. It was great.

After rereading the author's article, I can gain an appreciation of why he wrote it this way instead of a more classical approach. He could have attacked this same old argument by quoting from atheists like Jean-Paul Sartre and again showed them the irrationality of their argument, but he tried a new approach. It is quite effective.

20 posted on 05/13/2007 4:49:24 AM PDT by SkyPilot
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To: L,TOWM

Can you really consult with others what a supernatural being would have planned for them?


21 posted on 05/13/2007 4:50:48 AM PDT by Tolsti
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I wondered if it was a typo ...

Imago,

In biology, the imago is the last stage of development of an insect

22 posted on 05/13/2007 4:53:10 AM PDT by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: Tolsti
Can you really consult with others what a supernatural being would have planned for them?

Sure, but only on the things that are universal to us all- such as Jesus' blood sacrifice.

The specifics of your particular life must be downloaded personally from Him though. But you know this already...

23 posted on 05/13/2007 4:55:00 AM PDT by ovrtaxt (Democrats:more miserable than Donald Trump being forced to watch Rosie O’Donnell River Dance naked.)
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To: ovrtaxt
Get used to it- this is the new wave of radical evangelism. The emerging generation will go for the jugular of societal change, and they don't give a crap about traditional sensibilities.

Considering according to their own numbers, -- 88 percent of the children raised in evangelical homes leave church at the age of 18, never to return., I would think articles like this and "radical evangelism" are having the opposite effect on the younger generation than you think it is

24 posted on 05/13/2007 4:56:03 AM PDT by qam1 (There's been a huge party. All plates and the bottles are empty, all that's left is the bill to pay)
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To: qam1
From the article --
Why do people go nuts looking for ...hypocrisies within the church... in order to convince themselves that God’s not here, there or anywhere and never has been nor ever will be

And there you have it folks.

Two really big flaws in your "stats" right of the bat -- How many non-chrisrian couples never get married and just cohabitate without getting married in the first place? This would knock your divorce rate down a little.

Out of wedlock births? Compare the abortions per pregancy in the "Bible Belt" to Cali or the East Coast and I think you would find a discrepancy there that would explain your datum.

If us christians are doing things so wrong, why don't you show up at church today and tell us hypocrites just how bad we are screwing it up?

25 posted on 05/13/2007 4:57:18 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [protest for... violence and peace])
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To: qam1
"May you be touched by his Noodly Appendage."


26 posted on 05/13/2007 5:00:30 AM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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To: Tolsti

Don’t have to. Its alrwady in the instruction manual.

Of course the really cool thing is that when you get a piece of future knowledge about some one, right out of the blue, tell them what that knowledge is, and it happens. I have personally experienced this twice and it is awesome!


27 posted on 05/13/2007 5:01:09 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [protest for... violence and peace])
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To: L,TOWM

Well, astrologers claim to do that as well.


28 posted on 05/13/2007 5:03:04 AM PDT by Tolsti
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To: Guenevere
means going for the lowest common denominator

You have never looked into the eyes of another human being that does not matter to God.
For some, this type of discussion, with this type of language, is simply where they are. And where the lost are, that is where we have to go.

29 posted on 05/13/2007 5:04:42 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [protest for... violence and peace])
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To: dread78645; qam1
"May you be touched by his Noodly Appendage."

Better idea...let's hope Adam keeps it there in his lap.

30 posted on 05/13/2007 5:06:49 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Tolsti
astrologers claim to do that as well

That's right.

When you find an astrologer that has risen from the dead, please ping or FReepmail me, will you? I will want to talk to that guy.

31 posted on 05/13/2007 5:09:07 AM PDT by L,TOWM (Liberals, The Other White Meat [protest for... violence and peace])
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To: GiovannaNicoletta

You’re welcome. I thought it would be of interest


32 posted on 05/13/2007 5:10:41 AM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: Kaslin

Last week Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort debated two atheists on the subject “Does God Exist?”. It was interesting to watch, but I don’t think either side made any converts that night. The one thing I noticed from watching the debate is how angry the atheists were when they made their argument trying to prove that God does not exist. They were mean, nasty and insulting to Kirk and Ray. I am curious to hear from some of the atheists here on FR as to why there is so much anger among so many atheists? I’m sure these two are not representative of all atheists, but many of the atheists who I have met, or seen on TV, seem to have anger issues. Can anyone explain this to me?


33 posted on 05/13/2007 5:18:12 AM PDT by dmw (Conservatives DON'T vote for liberals.)
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To: L,TOWM

You talked about fortune telling, not stuff that happened in the past though.


34 posted on 05/13/2007 5:21:48 AM PDT by Tolsti
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To: knarf
I wondered if it was a typo ...

Imago,

In biology, the imago is the last stage of development of an insect>


I've reread the article now 5 times and nowhere can I find the Imago or imagine
35 posted on 05/13/2007 5:22:01 AM PDT by Kaslin (Fred Thompson for President 2008)
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To: qam1
Sad to say, you've missed the point entirely - or you are running from it.

Christian: God doesn't want you to sin but *Wink* *Wink*, God made you a sinner so do what you will...

God gave mankind "free will". That gives you the ability to reject Him. That's what mankind did - historically through Adam as well as ever since. That's not God's fault. That's ours (and yours).

... just somewhere down the road just acept Jesus Christ as your personal savior...

God provided the means to return into a relationship with Him after we have broken it. And, yes, that is through Jesus. It requires almost nothing on our part and everything on His part. It doesn't cost you a dime.

... and put some bucks in the collection plate and all is forgiven and you get to go to paradise for eternity!

You either made this up or you heard it from a fool. There is not a shred of truth in it and you know it. You are just mocking.

36 posted on 05/13/2007 5:22:40 AM PDT by Gritty (Would you condemn me to justify yourself? - God to Job, Job 41:8)
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To: qam1
1) Atheist/Agnostic are ~15% of the population yet make up just 0.2% of the prison population, while Christians make up 76.5% of the general population yet 83.8% of the prison population.

Well don't you see? The majority of criminals are Atheist/Agnostics, but once it is demonstrated to them that they are accountable to someone beside themselves for their actions, they see the light and accept Jesus as their personal savior.

Which is why we should throw all Atheist/Agnostics into prison - they'll be saved, and will be glad of being incarcerated in prison in this life, rather than cast down into the lake of fire for all eternity.

We have already started training the force required to carry out this plan, and I dare say their arrival will be completely unexpected.

37 posted on 05/13/2007 5:24:55 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: qam1

Mark.


38 posted on 05/13/2007 5:26:26 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: L,TOWM
Two really big flaws in your "stats" right of the bat -- How many non-chrisrian couples never get married and just cohabitate without getting married in the first place? This would knock your divorce rate down a little.

But even if his stat is knocked down a bit, the point remains the same--in contrast to what the article claims. That is, atheists are living their beliefs and don't seem to be in emotional turmoil or the way stereotypes are trying to portray them.

If us christians are doing things so wrong, why don't you show up at church today and tell us hypocrites just how bad we are screwing it up?

I can't answer for qam1, but I can tell you why I don't. First of all, I don't think there's any call to evangelize for atheists. As long as others' beliefs don't interfere with my life, why should I feel any desire to change peoples' beliefs that might provide them comfort? If I'm right, then it doesn't matter whether they believe or not. If I'm wrong, then good for them.

I envy those who have the comfort of faith, yet for me, the disconnect between the beliefs I tried to have (Christianity) and my personal experience with the world made it impossible to think things were "right" until I admitted to myself that atheism seemed to fit best. At that point, I found much more contentment and peace...even though my moral structure tended to remain Christian (contrary to Giles' claims).

Besides, I don't think atheism is for everyone, as many people seem unable to maintain a moral framework without a religious one. As you point out, societal benefits of these people maintaining Christian beliefs exist.

39 posted on 05/13/2007 5:27:03 AM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: dmw
"Last week Kirk Cameron and Ray Comfort debated two atheists on the subject “Does God Exist?”..."

I was disappointed with the whole presentation, not much time given to the actual debate. I'd love to see the same thing in a longer format with Norman Geisler on the side of faith. Dr. Geisler is the best Christian apologist out there hands down.

40 posted on 05/13/2007 5:27:10 AM PDT by joebuck
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To: qam1

Oh, so GOD is the cause of immorality, huh?

Which standard are you using for immorality, His or yours?


41 posted on 05/13/2007 5:36:55 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Kaslin

My youngest son likes to ask, “Whats the downside to believing in God?”
“Whats the downside to believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins?”


42 posted on 05/13/2007 5:39:06 AM PDT by liberty or death
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To: Gondring; All

Atheism is a blank check to do what you want.


43 posted on 05/13/2007 5:40:00 AM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: Bryan24; qam1

Oh, so GOD is the cause of immorality, huh? Which standard are you using for immorality, His or yours?

I sincerely doubt that's what qam1 is saying. I can see how you arrive at what you did. Because if the numbers were reversed many God believers would be claiming the numbers meant atheism was the cause of immorality.

44 posted on 05/13/2007 5:41:57 AM PDT by Zon (Honesty outlives the lie, spin and deception -- It always has -- It always will.)
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To: Gondring; qam1

I agree. It seems 99% of atheists are loony libs.


45 posted on 05/13/2007 5:46:49 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (When the rapture comes, can I have your stuff?)
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To: Kaslin
One of the funny things is how atheists think they are on some kind of cutting edge in reason.

God specifically addressed atheists in scripture 3,000 years ago i.e. they were fools.

Francis Bacon, who is generally considered the father of science, specifically addressed atheists 500 year ago i.e. they were fools.

46 posted on 05/13/2007 5:57:38 AM PDT by Tribune7 (A bleeding heart does nothing but ruin the carpet)
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To: qam1
Now if believing in an invisable man in the sky had anything to do with being moral, As the country turns more secular wouldn't the trends be going in the opposite direction?

You just proved the article's premise.

47 posted on 05/13/2007 6:03:57 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: Hoplite
Well don't you see? The majority of criminals are Atheist/Agnostics, but once it is demonstrated to them that they are accountable to someone beside themselves for their actions, they see the light and accept Jesus as their personal savior.

And when released, they never, ever break the law again

48 posted on 05/13/2007 6:05:09 AM PDT by Oztrich Boy (conservatism as the fusion of libertarianism and traditionalism - John Stuart Mill and Edmund Burke)
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To: joebuck
I think I would go with Ravi Zacharias.

49 posted on 05/13/2007 6:09:47 AM PDT by William Terrell (Individuals can exist without government but government can't exist without individuals.)
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To: L,TOWM

My kids listen to Christian rap and heavy metal and other varieties of ghastly noise. As long as there’s nothing ugly in the lyrics, I figure it’s a battle for their Dad to fight. (I limit my input to “Turn that ruckus off!” if it’s loud enough for me to hear :-).

I’m not sure about Doug Giles - whether he’s making a real contribution, or is just a goof - but his way of putting things is so entertaining!


50 posted on 05/13/2007 6:10:40 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Death is perishable. Faith is eternal.)
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