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Haditha hearing shows leadership mind-set
North County Times ^ | May 13, 2007 | MARK WALKER

Posted on 05/13/2007 5:20:37 AM PDT by RedRover

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To: bonehead4freedom

The scary thing is that you’re right!


41 posted on 05/13/2007 5:32:54 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: Girlene; stylin19a; RedRover
Lt. Gen. Chiarelli fell for this accusation.

Ate it with a spoon, didn't he.

Now, we've got 8 LIVE Marines, one savaged, two injured, and a medic.

And how many verified DEAD insurgents?

Eight. (That doesn't count those who got away.)

I would just like to know where our Marines medals are.

IF the women and children were innocents, it's an absolute shame they were put in harm's way.

War is an ugly thing. Period.

42 posted on 05/13/2007 5:33:02 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Girlene; stylin19a; RedRover

I got this in an email today:
________________________________________________________

The speech George W. Bush SHOULD give:

Normally, I start these things out by saying “My Fellow Americans.” Not doing it this time. If the polls are any indication, I don’t know who more than half of you are anymore. I do know something terrible has happened, and that you’re really not fellow Americans any longer.

I’ll cut right to the chase here: I quit. Now before anyone gets all in a lather about me quitting to avoid impeachment, or to avoid prosecution or something, let me assure you: there’s been no breaking of laws or impeachable offenses in this office.

The reason I’m quitting is simple. I’m fed up with you people.

I’m fed up because you have no understanding of what’s really going on in the world. Or of what’s going on in this once-great nation of ours. And the majority of you are too damned lazy to do your homework and figure it out.

Let’s start local. You’ve been sold a bill of goods by politicians and the news media. Polls show that the majority of you think the economy is in the tank. And that’s despite record numbers of homeowners including record numbers of MINORITY homeowners. And while we’re mentioning minorities, I’ll point out that minority business ownership is at an all-time high. Our unemployment rate is as low as it ever was during the Clinton Administration. I’ve mentioned all those things before, but it doesn’t seem to have sunk in.

Despite the shock to our economy of 9/11, the stock market has rebounded to record levels and more Americans than ever are participating in these markets. Meanwhile, all you can do is whine about gas prices, and most of you are too damn stupid to realize that gas prices are high because there’s increased demand in other parts of the world, and because a small handful of noisy idiots are more worried about polar bears and beachfront property than your economic security.

We face real threats in the world. Don’t give me this ~blood for oil” thing. If I was trading blood for oil I would’ve already seized Iraq’s oil fields and let the rest of the country go to hell. And don’t give me this ‘Bush Lied People Died’ crap either. If I was the liar you morons take me for, I could’ve easily had chemical weapons planted in Iraq so they could be ‘discovered.’

Instead, I owned up to the fact that the intelligence was faulty. Let me remind you that the rest of the world thought Saddam had the goods, same as me. Let me also remind you that regime change in Iraq was official US policy before I came into office. Some guy named ‘Clinton’ established that policy. Bet you didn’t know that, did you?

You idiots need to understand that we face a unique enemy. Back during the cold war, there were two major competing political and economic models squaring off. We won that war, but we did so because fundamentally, the Communists wanted to survive, just as we do. We were simply able to outspend and out-tech them.

That’s not the case this time. The soldiers of our new enemy don’t care if they survive. In fact, they want to die. That’d be fine, as long as they weren’t also committed to taking as many of you with them as they can. But they are. They want to kill you. And the bastards are all over the globe.

You should be grateful that they haven’t gotten any more of us here in the United States since September 11. But you’re not.

That’s because you’ve got no idea how hard a small number of intelligence, military, law enforcement and homeland security people have worked to make sure of that. When this whole mess started, I warned you that this would be a long and difficult fight. I’m disappointed how many of you people think a long and difficult fight amounts to a single season of ‘Survivor’.

Instead, you’ve grown impatient. You’re incapable of seeing things through the long lens of history, the way our enemies do.

You think that wars should last a few months, a few years, tops.

Making matters worse, you actively support those who help the enemy. Every time you buy the New York Times, every time you send a donation to a cut-and-run Democrat’s political campaign, well, dammit, you might just as well FedEx a grenade launcher to a Jihadist. It amounts to the same thing.

In this day and age, it’s easy enough to find the truth. It’s all over the Internet. It just isn’t on the pages of the New York Times or on NBC News. But even if it were, I doubt you’d be any smarter. Most of you would rather watch American Idol.

I could say more about your expectations that the government will always be there to bail you out, even if you’re too stupid to leave a city that’s below sea level and has a hurricane approaching. I could say more about your insane belief that government, not your own wallet, is where the money comes from. But I’ve come to the conclusion that were I to do so, it would sail right over your heads.

So I quit. I’m going back to Crawford. I’ve got an energy-efficient house down there (Al Gore could only dream of) and the capability to be fully self-sufficient. No one ever heard of Crawford before I got elected, and as soon as I’m done here pretty much no one will ever hear of it again. Maybe I’ll be lucky enough to die of old age before the last pillars of America fall.

Oh, and by the way, Cheney’s quitting too. That means Pelosi is your new President. You asked for it. Watch what she does carefully, because I still have a glimmer of hope that there’re just enough of you remaining who are smart enough to turn this thing around in 2008.

So that’s it. God bless what’s left of America. Some of you know what I mean.


43 posted on 05/13/2007 5:35:45 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

As you may recall, Sgt Wuterich was put up for a medal.

Tim “Taliban” McGirk said that depriving Wuterich of a medal was his proudest achievement. (Now I’m going to kick a wall.)


44 posted on 05/13/2007 5:36:44 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

What a cockroach he is.


45 posted on 05/13/2007 5:44:02 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: RedRover

I found this interview with Tim McGirk this weekend. It’s the Columbia Journalism Review from 6/16/06...

http://www.cjrdaily.org/behind_the_news/tim_mcgirk_on_haditha.php

“We wanted to do a story that looked at civilian casualties, because in December, President Bush mentioned for the first time that there were around 30,000 civilian casualties. So we contacted the Hammurabi human rights monitoring group, since we did stuff with them before, and we knew that they had very good contacts in the Sunni triangle and could get places that we couldn’t get to. So, they came one day and they brought this horrendous video, and they didn’t know that much about it, they just knew that it came from Haditha, and there were two segments of it...”

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Remember that Hammurabi Human Rights Group basically only had 2 members and one of them was the “videographer”.

This is how McGirk “investigated” the incident...

“...We did it through the Hammurabi group, we got the local journalist who had shot the video and he came from Haditha, and through him...Well, first of all, we couldn’t send our stringers out there because even our stringers who had really good contacts with the insurgents, who wanted to go, were told by the insurgents, “Don’t even try it, because the guys out there are all crazy foreign fighters, and they’ll kill you as a CIA spy.” So the only way we could really get information was by making contact with people in Haditha, and getting them to come to Baghdad”
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Excuse me - foreign fighters, too dangerous but quick to point the blame at the Marines. AND he admits that Time worked with insurgents to get their stories.

Can he be called as a witness? I would relish the moment...


46 posted on 05/13/2007 7:29:57 PM PDT by Chickenhawk Warmonger (The Media Lied & Soldiers Died)
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To: RedRover; tg75

I’m pinging a new Freeper member who I personally know. He should see the scene you have outlayed in post #25.


47 posted on 05/13/2007 7:31:37 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: freema

The guy is a product of liberalism drenched in socialism, with most probably a sprinkle of elitism. In other words, someone you would like to personally bitch slap silly then throw off a bridge. Bastard wouldn’t make it one day at Parris Island.


48 posted on 05/13/2007 8:00:22 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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To: Chickenhawk Warmonger
Good find, Chick! And here's something from a recent article on the Capt Stone hearing: "A lieutenant dismissed a reporter's questions about alleged abuses, figuring they reflected bias against the Marines and President Bush."

Your find proves the point.

49 posted on 05/13/2007 8:05:51 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: Marine_Uncle; tg75

Welcome, tg75.


50 posted on 05/13/2007 8:06:58 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover
Thank god for Jim Robinson It’s because of his efforts that I get a chance to get real news in real time without “a filter so I can understand world events properly” .
I am thankful for this forum and it is my sincere wish that we can break out with our message because it is mainstream ,and to you guys & gals who are out there in uniform ,you are loved & supported and we know the media is going to lie about you but they don’t get to set the template without opposition anymore is hang in there !We are with you and for every Dan Rather we have 10 buck heads!
51 posted on 05/13/2007 9:52:27 PM PDT by bonehead4freedom (Winning the war is easy kill the enemy and don't let the A.C.L.U. dictate the rules of engagement)
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To: ticked
As reported in this article, 38 grand was paid to 15 families 10 days after the incident.

This guy was one of the ones who raised a stink for more money...


52 posted on 05/20/2007 6:30:36 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover
There was an article about the lawyer in the Associated Press. There's analysis of it here: Haditha lawyer wants more compensation.
53 posted on 05/20/2007 6:38:24 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: RedRover

Aha! That was what I was looking for. Thanks!


54 posted on 05/20/2007 6:40:49 PM PDT by ticked (Always faithful.)
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To: RedRover; freema; peod

Wonder what he was doing on the ROOF???? huh huh huh? And he wanted more money??? Are we allowed to speculate out loud here? ok... I’m getting ticked... again....


55 posted on 05/20/2007 6:51:53 PM PDT by ticked (Always faithful.)
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To: ticked; Girlene

It’s hard to be anything but!

LCpl Sharratt shot three Iraqis that the battalion investigation determined were insurgents. (That’s what Major Hyatt and Capt. Dinsmore determined.)

So why is LCpl. Sharratt going to trial again?

Oh, right.

The brother of the slain insurgents said that they had been herded into a closet and killed (even though he wasn’t there when it happened).

As young Girlene observed earlier today, wonder if little brother got paid when the DoD decided that all 24 Iraqi families shoulf be compensated?


56 posted on 05/20/2007 7:06:14 PM PDT by RedRover (Defend Our Marines)
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To: ticked

I’m sure he was praying, if he was on the roof, right?!


57 posted on 05/20/2007 8:08:31 PM PDT by freema (Marine FRiend, 1stCuz2xRemoved, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: freema

Oh. Yeah! *That’s* what it’s called, isn’t it?!


58 posted on 05/20/2007 8:28:19 PM PDT by ticked (again!)
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To: ticked

Now, ticked, I spend a lot of time on my roof when I hear a massive explosion from an IED and the beginnings of an ambush in my neighborhood. Especially if I’m acting as a spotter...

Wonder why we haven’t seen any discussion in the media about the tactic of insurgents using the remote IED to stop convoys for an ambush???


59 posted on 05/21/2007 4:27:10 PM PDT by peod
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