Skip to comments.Mine-resistant 'MRAP's called 'four-to-five' times safer than Humvees for U.S. forces
Posted on 05/14/2007 2:48:11 PM PDT by BradtotheBone
WASHINGTON The Bush administration plans to accelerate deliveries of Mine Resistant Ambush Protected Vehicles for the U.S. military in Iraq. Officials said not one Marine has been killed during 300 IED attacks on MRAPs. They said MRAP's raised, V-shaped underbelly deflected the force of IEDs. In all, the Marines have deployed 65 MRAPs in Iraq.
Defense Secretary Robert Gates said MRAP offered improved troop protection over up-armored Humvees. Gates said MRAP would replace armored Humvees, particularly in the Marine Corps.
"Our experience is that Marines in these vehicles have been four or five times safer than a Marine in an armored Humvee," Gates told members of the House and Senate Sea Power and Expeditionary Forces subcommittees on May 10. "Based on this experience, we recently decided to replace our armored Humvees in theater on a one-for-one basis with MRAPs."
"My understanding is that the army has been recalibrating its interest and has substantially increased the number of these vehicles they think they can use," Gates said.
Officials said the US. military has ordered 7,700 MRAPs in an $8 billion project. Gates has met U.S. Army and Marine Corps officials to explore ways to accelerate deliveries of the 16-ton vehicles.
Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said MRAP was the result of defense industrial cooperation with the military. But he warned that the vehicle which has been criticized for its huge size would not provide full protection against IEDs.
"There's no solution out there that's going to protect everybody from everything all the time," Pace said. "What you try to do is provide the best protection you can that still allows a soldier [or] Marine to be able to go out and do the job they need to do."
U.S. commanders have urged the Pentagon to increase troop levels to fight the Sunni insurgency in Iraq. On May 11, Maj. Gen. Benjamin Mixon, the U.S. commander in northern Iraq, asserted that his 3,500 troops were insufficient to quell the insurgency in the Diyala province north of Baghdad.
Mixon, citing a request to Lt. Gen. Raymond Odierno, the No. 2 commander in Iraq, said the additional troops would be used in the counter-insurgency offensive in Diyala. Diyala also contains 10,000 Iraq Army troops.
"I do not have enough soldiers right now in Diyala province to get that security situation moving," Mixon told a Pentagon briefing.
In rare criticism by a U.S. commander, Mixon said the Iraqi government was not supplying services, which he said was vital in any effort to weaken the insurgents. Mixon said the Diyal government was no longer functioning.
"They are overburdened by a centralized bureaucratic process from Baghdad and impacted by corruption and sectarian issues," Mixon said. "These are areas that we must improve on over the next several months."
Where is the nearest dealership?
Excellent news - Whatever means necessary should be happening 24/7 to get as many MRAPs over there as possible. GOv't is so inefficient at times it is still mind boggling...
That gun turret looks pretty exposed.
If John Corzine had riden in one of thise, he’d be working out of the governor’s mansion instead of from home!
Where’s the funding coming from?
WOW - what a beast.
I’d hate to be a bad guy and see that rolling my way.
Full of our troops....
Even though there aren’t any treads, I thought there’s enough armor to more than make this of interest.
BTW, the treadhead graphic is MIA. I can host it, if someone has it.
Sounds/looks like a great vehicle. Hope we get them deployed FAST! Just watch, now the latest RAT talking point will be that the eviiilll Bush/Cheney cabal did not have 20,000 of these on hand four years ago. Of course, no one in the MSM will bother to ask why RATs in Congress, not to mention the Clintonistas who were in power for 8 years, never bothered to provide such equipment for the troops they claim to care about. If the RATs always have such foresight, why did the Clintonistas waste 8 years without even producing modest amounts of body armor, not to mention up-armored Humvees and now these latest and greatest...... oh, I forget, being a RAT means never having to say you´re sorry!
mohammedans will just build IED's 4-5 times more powerful.
What do you suppose the ramps are for on the “IED” photo? The ones right above the front fenders.
Needs more wheels....
You are so correct.
We are the USA. We should be able to produce, and deploy, at least a few hundred more MRAP's by years end, if not sooner.
Why? The Marine Corps has more than 100 MRAP vehicles on the ground in Iraq.
The Marine Corps has more than 100 MRAP vehicles on the ground in Iraq and the Army will field the first of its originally planned 2,500 MRAP vehicles in Iraq beginning in August, 700 of which are already in hand, Geren said.
DoD is moving WAY too slow on this.
Time to contact your congress critter and the President.
Those are for wheeling the Porta-Potty out after an attack!
“Someone said aliens, she thought they said `illegal aliens’ and signed up...”
“Damnation Alley” 2007
My Vietnam vet Hubby has often mused as to WHY they aren’t using tanks to lead off down roads like they did in ‘Nam. Seeing as how that’s where we’re losing the most troops. Aren’t there any tanks left? Or did they trash them all in the Clinton “Peace Dividend’?
Anyone out there know?
There are many that think there should be a lot of M113 tracks leading the way.
It needs more guns! I do appreciate the safety of it! Fantastic! But how about fire power?!! Do not get me wrong! But,, and this is not a statement about the military! When was the last time you read or heard about a massive new weapon for the soldiers?? It seems the only news worthy stories are “armor” or “safety” related! How about a new more deadly grenade! Or a new type of super bullet! Or new more deadly missile? I remember during Vietnam reading often about new weapons in magazines like popular mechanics. For example, I remember reading about weapons like the LAW,, how deadly it was,, the first disposable bazooka! I agree, though, this looks lie an awesome vehicle!
My guess is they unfold into short bridges for crossing ditches or whatever.
I love the Army, but why do we have to rediscover all the good ideas painfully?
See my above post—The South Africans used the identical UNIMOG successfully since the late 70’s. I’ve wondered why we didn’t have such a thing, but you know how all that goes....
Breaking out the sand channels for some deep sand recovery. Note the Lewis Gun behind the passenger side seat.
"Unditching"-- I recall an old, old, WWI photo of an Armoured Car, built on a limousine chassis, whose running boards could be removed to stick under the "tyres" for "unditching..."
Aerospace Daily & Defense Report
May 15, 2007
JROC Retains MRAP Control To Stop Requirements Creep
The Pentagon’s Joint Requirements Oversight Council (JROC) is keeping acquisition control over the new Mine-Resistant, Ambush Protected (MRAP) vehicles being bought and fielded to Iraq to make sure they get delivered on time, said Adm. Edmund Giambastiani, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and JROC chairman.
The individual services usually retain acquisition control for such programs. But the JROC is retaining that control at the higher level to ensure there is no delay in delivery of the vehicles, he said. “We don’t want people to drop in new requirements,” he said May 14 during a luncheon for the Armed Forces Communications and Electronics Association.
Giambastiani acknowledged the requirements could be good ones and eventually wind up being part of the program. “But they have to come in and talk to us,” he said. The priority in this case must be to get the MRAPs into the combat zone as quickly as possible, he said.
The armored vehicles are meant to protect troops from land mines and improvised explosive devices (IEDs), perhaps the biggest daily threat U.S. troops face in Iraq.
Costing about $1 million each, the MRAP vehicles have become a Pentagon priority. The Army had planned for 2,500 of them, but now the number could reach six times that amount.
Other counter-IED purchases also show the Pentagon’s ability to execute rapid acquisitions when needed, Giambastiani said. The Defense Department is able to push through programs in days and months when it would normally take months or years, he said. “We simply cannot take that long.”
But the JROC takes its time on other programs, he said. The group looks at funding changes and variances, feasibility and technology readiness levels (TRLs), he said.
JROC officials also take more time in looking at policy issues. For example, the group has talked about a U.S. Air Force proposal to become executive agent of higher-flying unmanned flying aerial vehicles (UAVs) three times in the past two weeks, Giambastiani said after the luncheon.
The group has asked the Air Force for more information about its proposal, and in a recent interview, service Chief of Staff Gen. Michael Moseley said he expected the JROC to make a decision soon.
Giambastiani said the proposal and the subject are important topics, but would not provide a timeline for when the JROC would decide on whether to back the Air Force’s plan.
— Michael Fabey
Good stuff. The progenitors of the SAS, right there, and their initial car service.
Ah, very good, thanks.
To be fair, Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld served under President Bush and he was transforming our military to a “lighter and mobile” standing which proved to be tragic in Iraq.
The Unimog is a Mercedes AWD military vehicle platform that many militaries use, in many configurations. A local brewpub has a firetruck version, that they have converted to a Biermog, so they can bring kegs of their beer to your event. I highly recommend both the food, beer, and converted military vehicle, at the 5 Seasons Brewpub.
As has been noted on other treadhead threads, I believe by archy, the South Africans, as you mention, as well as the Rhodesians, developed a number of mine-resistant patrol vehicles that have the characteristing V-shaped lower hull. Some were probably Unimog-based.
I’m merely pointing out that the ‘RATs constantly claim 20/20 hindsight, whereas when we look at their actual record on defense matters it is frequently atrocious. How many of the MSM hacks who write all the stories on body armor and humvees have ever bothered to ask what the Clintonistas and Congressional ‘RATs did for our military preparedness in all the years they had ample opportunity to do so?