Skip to comments.Pope Benedict's Comments on Abortion, Catholics Draw Strong Support
Posted on 05/14/2007 4:07:51 PM PDT by wagglebee
The Vatican (LifeNews.com) -- Comments Pope Benedict XVI made last week about abortion and Catholic politicians are continuing to cause a stir around the globe. The pontiff told reporters during his plane ride to Brazil that Catholic politicians who back abortion have excommunicated themselves and shouldn't receive communion.
The pope followed up those comments during his speeches in Brazil, his first trip to Latin America, with more comments condemning abortion.
He continued to express the church's pro-life views in an address to Latin American bishops on Sunday, though he didn't reference the excommunication and communion comments.
He said laws that permit abortion and contraception are "threatening the future of peoples."
In reacting to the excommunication and communion remarks from last week, John Allen, author of several books on the Catholic Church, said the pope appears to have a personal view that is stronger than the official Catholic position.
"What seems to be clear is that the pope personally thinks that Catholic politicians who support abortion rights should not receive communion," he told Reuters.
"This clearly emboldens bishops who have taken a hard line against Catholic pro-choice politicians, but it remains to be seen if there will be a disciplinary follow-through or whether individual bishops still decide who can receive communion," Allen added.
George Weigel -- senior fellow at the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington and leading U.S. Catholic theologian -- seemed to agree.
"Catholic politicians who think they can remain part of the church after supporting abortion are putting a lie on top of the original offense against justice," he said.
Meanwhile, Fidelis President Joseph Cella, a leading pro-life advocate, says his group is pleased with Pope Benedict's comments.
We are deeply grateful to Pope Benedict for his comments on the Catholic legislators in Mexico City who voted to legalize abortion," Cella told LifeNews.com.
"The Holy Fathers message serves as a powerful teaching moment for all pro-abortion politicians, including those in the United States, especially those who are Catholic and running for President in 2008," he added.
He said those pro-abortion Catholic candidates -- including Senator Joe Biden, Governor Bill Richardson, Senator Chris Dodd, Congressman Dennis Kucinich and Rudy Giuliani -- should "consider the larger message of Pope Benedict, and their obligation as Catholics to defend the sanctity of all human life."
Nope, they're pro-abortion liberals first and foremost.
I wish Rudi and a bunch of others WOULD show up at Mass next Sunday, or any other Sunday or Holy Day, and be denied Communion.
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(John Allen...said the pope appears to have a personal view that is stronger than the official Catholic position. “What seems to be clear is that the pope personally thinks that Catholic politicians who support abortion rights should not receive communion,” he told Reuters.)
Mr. Allen, open up a catechism, this is the “official Catholic position” ... if anything, the Pope understated it!
Even if Rudy were “pro-life” he still is ineligible for reception of Communion because he’s living in an adulterous state of mortal sin.
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i am glad that the Pope came out with this now. hopefully, rudy won’t have the audacity to attempt to receive communion during the campaign, in light of this public airing of the Church’s position.
Gee you sound like a fun person to be around.
See what Berdardin set in motion. It was his ilk that allowed Cuomo to indulge in the sophistry of “personally opposed during the Notre Dame speech.
If he wants to make a point of being seen going to Mass, he could do what Kerry did, just find one of these old, lefty-type priests who is sympathetic to him who will agree him beforehand to let him receive. I believe Pelosi and others have done the same. There may be enough heretic priests around, and passive bishops, that if Giuliani or others are determined to pull a P.R. stunt they can find a church.
Yes, I tend to sympathize with the abandoned wife and children and not the woman who picked him up in a bar; sorry if that offends you.
Rudi was remarried in a civil ceremony (and his previous marriage was not annulled, which means he has two strikes against him), so he’s not supposed to be receiving communion anyway.
Unless of course you claim to be sinless?
You’re the one making this “personal”...why are you attacking me? I’m not going to take the bait, sorry.
Your the one condemning Rudy for his "mortal sins" on this board.
And I can't even ask you if you're sinless?
No, that was set in motion long before Bernadin. Robert Drinan and his Jesuit cohorts were the ones who told the Kennedys and other Catholic politicians that they could get away with the 'personally opposed, but', position, and with the help of liberals in the media, and linguini spined Bishops, they have, so far.
The younger Bishops have seen what this has done to our country, and with Pope Benedict behind them, I hope they'll be able to do something about it.
It was Bernardin’s seamless garment program that provided the real cover. Somehow the killing of a few hundred thugs every year, in a country where the legal process could drag on for decades, was allowed to balance the summary execution of millions of children.
The ‘Seamless Garment’ came out of the whole ‘Social Justice’ movement, which was started to provide cover for those Democrat politicians who wanted to support abortion, but wanted to point to some other ‘social good’ to counteract that support. That’s when they started pointing to pro-life Republicans and discounting their being against abortion since they were not ‘for the poor’, since they didn’t support government programs to help those folks.
According to Church teaching, Rudy is not eligible to receive communion because he did not receive an annulment for his previous marriage.
His current marriage is not recognized, so he is considered to be in a state of grave sin.
Again...according to the teaching, those in a state of grave sin who do not repent and who do not reconcile with the Church are not eligible to receive communion.
Exactly. It’s just like those who say they’re Catholic but support a woman’s right to choose/support murder of a baby for whatever reason, or vote for politicians who support abortion., the whole Catholics for Choice nonsense. One is not a practicing Catholic if one supports the Choice/abortion and should not receive Communion.
I like Pope Benedict more and more.
A great day for the Pope! He has all the right enemies.
I agree. The basic problem was that so many bishops were raised in Democratic homes and were strong for the labor unions when they had been rule by the likes of George Meany. The bishops could not get through their heads that when the socialists took over the Democratic Party in 1972, and gladly embrached Roe v. Wade in 1973, that their place in the Democratic coalition had been lost. Ten years later they still hadn’t figured that they had lost the pols and that the pols had no use for them except the “cover” you mention. I am sure that when Reagan took the Catholic vote in 1984 they were shocked. That’s because the Protestant Reagan was more authentically “Catholic,” by far than the ultra-WASPish Monday.
The problem is, they've all excommunicated themselves. They are no longer part of the Catholic Church.
Like them or not, those are the rules of the church.
Rudy's "Mortal sin" is a public scandal. baa39 was not "condemning" anyone. baa39 didn't make the rules. The C[capital "C"]hurch says Rudy is living in moral sin.
If I were the Eucharistic Minister (now called Extraordinary for some reason)serving that Mass, according to the Mandation ceremony and oath I took, I’d have to deny them Communion if they were in my line. I pray that never happens since I’ve never had to do that yet during Mass. I have had to do that during my hospital duty (bringing Communion to those in the hospital) because they were NPO or told me they weren’t Catholic (or Greek Orthodox)or were in dementia. I’ve had quite a few non-Catholics tell me they weren’t Catholic and still begged me for Communion. We’re told to protect the Eucharist but also to do what Jesus in our heart tells us so I’ve given dying non-Catholics Communion (they’re not even supposed to be visited by us, the whole Hipaa thing, we have lists, but sometimes they still ask me if I’m giving it to their roommate, etc.).
I’d probably look to the Priest, or ask him, if Rudy or any public figure were in my line. I’d deny them Communion and direct them to the Priest’s line.
boy oh boy - that social justice mentality got to be real big in my home parish.
They kept referring to that seamless garment nonsense.
The ‘Seamless Garment’ idea is very popular in the Northeast where some Catholics truly don’t want to be lumped in with the ‘Religious Right”, because they consider anyone in that movement to be unsophisticated hicks or something. Now some Catholics who are even pro-life still have this attitude. Mainly, they are Democrats because their Mama and Daddy were, all the way back to whenever their families arrived in America. They are willing to just ignore what the Democrat party stands for today, and they hide behind the ‘Seamless Garment’ notion to put down Republicans for not being compassionate. That was one reason why the President pushed the ‘compassionate conservative’ idea, and he was successful among some Northeast Catholics who voted Republican for the first time in their lives.
As they should. He is another Great Pope, in terms of getting the right message across, even if he unfortunately presides over a heavily protestantized and bastardized Catholic Mass post Vatican II.
Yes...as I recall there was a traitorous priest who got elected to congress as a rat, from MA I think, who first came up with this treacherous thought. He either left the Church or was excommunicated, but a lot of our liberal bishops adopted his stance to give cover to their favored political party.
I don’t need to read anything. I go by what I was taught during the Mandating ceremony and the promises I made. After talking about this to priests in my parish, I’ll continue to adhere to their counsel. They know best imo.
My point was to convey that I would not, could not, give Communion to Rudy or any other high profile person who stated his views (because we all know those views unlike the ordinary person), pro abortion views, publicly. If he or Kerry or Kennedy or countless others happened to be at my parish church and in my line, I couldn’t give them Communion.
Are you an Extraordinary (formerly called Eucharistic) Minister at a Catholic parish in a Catholic Diocese? Are you mandated by the Diocese to give the Eucharist at Mass, to shut ins, and during hospital duty? Answer those questions and I may click your link and not view your reply as a snarky, uninformed reply by an uniformed person, who just wants to feel special by telling one she “needs to read something for starters”.
Hmmm...let's see... are you in Colorado or Nebraska?
Right, Rudi cannot receive the sacraments but he is still supposed to go to mass.
He was neither. Father Robert Drinan continued to be a Jesuit priest until his death earlier this year. As he aged he looked more like a wizened old demon every day. After his death, he was treated by the media as some sort of secular saint. It was disgusting.
Oh yes... now I remember NPR did a big puff piece upon his death... imagine NPR doing a puff piece on a priest ... only if he is a son of Judas.
But I expect there to be traitors and I expect NPR to bow down in homage to the traitors. What I do not expect is for the Church to be silent. How can politicians be excommunicated for being pro-abort if we have priests who are openly pro-abortion? That makes no sense to me!
*(John Allen...said the pope appears to have a personal view that is stronger than the official Catholic position. What seems to be clear is that the pope personally thinks that Catholic politicians who support abortion rights should not receive communion, he told Reuters.)
Mr. Allen, open up a catechism, this is the official Catholic position ... if anything, the Pope understated it! *
john allen always seemed a little out of touch and-or quite liberal to me...
“The problem is, they’ve all excommunicated themselves. They are no longer part of the Catholic Church.”
And so if they take communion they do so in an unworthy manner and so heap coals upon their heads. Not a good position to be in. I hope for the sake of their souls that they repent.
Though my proofreading is atrocious so early in the day, I thought I’d ping you to my previous post.
From your statements in this thread it's rather obvious that you do.
They know best imo.
If they're instructing you that it's acceptable to give non-Catholics Communion then they obviously don't know best. Sounds as if they're more than happy to have someone else freeing them up from the responsibilities of their clerical office at the hospital. Send a letter to the CDF and see whether or not they disagree.
Are you an Extraordinary (formerly called Eucharistic) Minister at a Catholic parish in a Catholic Diocese?
No. Not being ordained I am not worthy to touch the Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity of our Lord with my hands. A view shared by Blessed Teresa of Calcutta, St. Thomas Aquinas and the Blessed Mother.
Are you mandated by the Diocese to give the Eucharist at Mass, to shut ins, and during hospital duty?
Irrelevant. I wouldn't accept Communion from Greeley or McBrien either unless I was near death and they were the only Priest available.
Answer those questions and I may click your link and not view your reply as a snarky, uninformed reply by an uniformed person, who just wants to feel special by telling one she needs to read something for starters.
You've obviously been poorly catechized, which is obvious from your lack of comprehension as to why an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion is called extraordinary. The Parochial Vicar at your parish should have given you a copy and instructed you to read it and then discussed its contents with you so you wouldn't be so poorly informed. Perhaps he was too busy on his day off while you were discharging his duties at the hospital and patting yourself on the back for being such a wonderful person.
Let me give you a clue, the authority of Rome spelled out in Redemptionis Sacramentum cannot be usurped by a Priest whom you mistakenly think, in your humble, relativist, extraordinary opinion, knows best.
Thank you for that reply. Having come from a Protestant background, it grates on my nerves to see the laity distributing the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord. You are right, only the priest should distribute, and we should receive only on the tongue and not in the hand. Even when I was Episcopalian, we were taught not to touch the Holy Eucharist. It was placed in our outstretched palm and we immediately lifted it to our mouth. No touching with the fingers. If people really believed it was the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord, they would be afraid of doing something sacrilegious. But so many people don’t believe - they treat it like Presbyterian wafers (I was Presbyterian growing up). People just don’t realize the implications of their lack of reverence. This is the Creator of the Universe we are talking about. The ancient Jews knew that if they looked on God, they would die (and were shocked when Moses didn’t) and yet we receive Him at every Mass. We have taken Him for granted and are totally flippant about our demeanor before Him.
Good question, and it doesn't make sense to me, either!
As a Baptist,
Well stated! I'm Catholic but we certainly see eye to eye on this.