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BIN LADEN'S FATWA (Why Ron Paul was Factually Correct) (UBL cited Iraq in 1996 Declaration of War)
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Posted on 05/15/2007 8:04:25 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis

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1 posted on 05/15/2007 8:04:48 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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To: Remember_Salamis

Is this posted in jest?


2 posted on 05/15/2007 8:06:31 PM PDT by oldleft
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To: Remember_Salamis

Ron Paul is winning the Fox poll (so far) with 30%.


3 posted on 05/15/2007 8:06:32 PM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (My goodness, is everyone around here smoking crack?)
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To: Remember_Salamis

It is all our fault. It is our all fault.


4 posted on 05/15/2007 8:06:56 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: CrawDaddyCA

It is Howard Stern listeners calling in.


5 posted on 05/15/2007 8:07:35 PM PDT by Brimack34
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To: Remember_Salamis

In the years leading up to 9/11, Pat Buchanan frequently warned of terrorism coming to U.S. soil if we didn’t get out of the Middle East. But acknowledging that as a motivating factor of terrorism is not the same as saying we deserved it, which is what you hear from the left. Ron Paul could have at least made that distinction, but instead it sounded like he thought we deserved what we got.


6 posted on 05/15/2007 8:08:10 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Brimack34

Nut Gaul’s supporters are already all over the polls.


7 posted on 05/15/2007 8:08:35 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: CrawDaddyCA
Ron Paul is winning the Fox poll (so far) with 30%

With the other candidates splitting the "we didn't deserve to get slaughtered" vote, I guess the poll results make sense.

8 posted on 05/15/2007 8:09:54 PM PDT by Junior_G
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To: Remember_Salamis

Horsesh!t.
I can’t stand Rudy but I’m glad he b!tch slapped that ass.


9 posted on 05/15/2007 8:11:15 PM PDT by conserv8ive1 (Rudy and the Bots...blasting off to oblivion.)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Because liberals, the moveon crowd, sorosites, kos kids are all voting for him. They love this loser who would surrender to Al Qaeda. He wants us to lose in Iraq just like the dummies do. Online polls are worthless and Paul will not muster more than 5% in the repub race. Most are not dumb enough to vote for this LIBERTARIAN that would start to bring our troops home, the day he was sworn in.


10 posted on 05/15/2007 8:11:19 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Brimack34
There's a difference between "fault" and a reason why. The Japanese attacked us because of US policy as well, but that doesn't mean it was warranted.

If Pearl Harbor happened in 2007, Rudy "Benito" Giuliani would have said it's because the Japanese Emperor hates jazz music and the jitterbug.

11 posted on 05/15/2007 8:11:40 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

I don’t have time to read your tome of a post. What I will say is Ron Paul was made to look like a left wing nut job and Rudy cut Ron Paul up like a paper doll.


12 posted on 05/15/2007 8:12:44 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: Remember_Salamis

Bookmarking. Thanks for posting.


13 posted on 05/15/2007 8:14:30 PM PDT by James W. Fannin
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To: Arcy

Goes Giuliani think al-Qaida chose to attack the US by throwing darts at a map???


14 posted on 05/15/2007 8:16:12 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Arcy
Interventionism is a left-wing, Wilsonian concept. Period.

As Ron Paul has been saying in the debates, historically conservatives have abhorred intervention abroad; it's always been progressives that have argued "government is a force for good", not conservatives. Even Bush himself promised non-intervention.

15 posted on 05/15/2007 8:18:12 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Thank God someone has the guts to say what should be obvious, that we are not being attacked because of our “freedom and women’s rights.” That is absurd. Do amy of you all actually believe we are being attacked because they hate our freedom? Why aren’t they attacking Monaco and Costa Rica and Switzerland, too?
Ron Paul gets my support. That’s for sure. I could never support someone who believes we are hated because we are free. It’s an obvious lie, and a huge one at that — which I guess is what makes it such as easy sell for the 50% plus one of the electorate. Morons.


16 posted on 05/15/2007 8:19:35 PM PDT by Desperately Seeking Freedom
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To: Remember_Salamis
The mayor knows the Islamic radicals hate us for our freedoms. Although Rudy is by no means my favorite, your boy Ron Paul looked like a befuddled old man with slow response times. I kept waiting for the medical staff to break through the curtain with an oxygen machine for him.
17 posted on 05/15/2007 8:21:09 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Thank You.

If al-Qaida was nothing more than a bunch of "freedom-killers", they would have dirty-bombed the crap our of Amsterdam by now.

18 posted on 05/15/2007 8:21:18 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Great post!!!!!!


19 posted on 05/15/2007 8:21:20 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (Waiting on GOD...)
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To: Remember_Salamis

9/11, 9/11, 9/11.

There, I won the argument and you lost.

Seriously, though, Bush has created an accepted reality and he’s made it so that dissenting from that reality means you support Al Qaeda. You can’t disagree with any Bush national security policy or any statement they make about terrorism. Bush says that our intervention does the opposite of what Ron Paul says, that it makes us safer, and that only terrorists think that the US needs to stop intervening in other countries and their affairs. It’s just how things are.

I give him credit, though, for not apologizing like Rudy asked. That took balls.


20 posted on 05/15/2007 8:21:40 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: CrawDaddyCA
The children are casting votes with their little text messaging cell phones.

Ron Paul is a flippin' idiot. He sounds like a democrat.

21 posted on 05/15/2007 8:22:12 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Desperately Seeking Freedom
In case you haven't noticed, they attack and have attacked anyone who doesn't believe their Islamic caliphate.

Ron Paul is an ass who deserves dumb supporters.

22 posted on 05/15/2007 8:23:07 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Remember_Salamis; The_Eaglet
Giuliani either accidentally or purposefully misinterpreted Paul's REASON why they attacked us as a JUSTIFICATION. Paul does not believe that they were right in attacking us; just the opposite.

Exactly.

Below I have posted Bin Laden's declaration of War against the United States, made in 1996. He cites (1) US Involvement in the Middle East, (2) Palestine, and (3) Sanctions on Iraq as reasons why he has declared war.

Wait a minute where's reason 4, they hated us for our ATMs?

23 posted on 05/15/2007 8:23:51 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: Arcy
OK; I'm done giggling.

Do you HONESTLY believe that they attacked us because we are free and have women's right's, as Giuliani stated ? I heard the Japanese attacked us because of Jazz music. Simply Absurd. It'll sell with the proles tho.

24 posted on 05/15/2007 8:23:55 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

The moonbats love Ron Paul. They’re over at DU singing his praises now.


25 posted on 05/15/2007 8:25:12 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Lakeshark
Does China support the caliphate? Because they haven't attacked them yet; It must be on the to-do list.

From my reckoning, the only countries attacked since 9/11 have been involved in the Middle East WITH US or one of our allies in the Global War on Terror.

Knowing the word "Caliphate" does not make you smart.

26 posted on 05/15/2007 8:25:57 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Cobra64
The children are casting votes with their little text messaging cell phones.

Actually, I questioned why they chose that method for gathering data for the poll. It seems like it was designed for the slacker twenty-somethings.

27 posted on 05/15/2007 8:26:05 PM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (My goodness, is everyone around here smoking crack?)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

“Ron Paul is winning the Fox poll (so far) with 30%.”

That’ll be the lefties voting.
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Here is bin Ladens 1998 fatwa....the meat of it is about midway down.....”first”....”second”....”third”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/terrorism/international/fatwa_1998.html


28 posted on 05/15/2007 8:26:15 PM PDT by Vn_survivor_67-68
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To: GraniteStateConservative
Seriously, though, Bush has created an accepted reality and he’s made it so that dissenting from that reality means you support Al Qaeda.

That's it. My 63 year old mother just called me. She said it was refreshing to hear a conservative voice like we haven't heard in over a generation

I give him credit, though, for not apologizing like Rudy asked. That took balls.

That in itself was a defining moment.

29 posted on 05/15/2007 8:26:30 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: jess35
Probably because they think Paul said we deserved it, WHICH HE DID NOT.

DUmmies have low IQs and cannot grasp advanced concepts.

30 posted on 05/15/2007 8:27:15 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: jrooney

He won’t get 1%.


31 posted on 05/15/2007 8:27:33 PM PDT by jess35
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To: jess35

Doesn’t that say something. When the dummies love a candidate there is something seriously wrong. Ron Paul is a joke and looked pathetic tonight. He is an older male version of Pelosi with about the same intellect.


32 posted on 05/15/2007 8:27:33 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

“It would be absurd to say that Peal Harbor was because the Japanese “hated” our freedom, no?”

True for Japan, but cultural changes associated with “America” are a big cause of Islamist anger.

“”The Japanese attacked us because of Sanctions and our policies in SE Asia.””

Ah, that’s old garbage.

They attacked us because they would assumed we would have intervened against their attacks to conquer SE Asia and Indonesia, then under French, Brit and Dutch control.

A grave miscaluculation on their part. The American public would not support a war to prop up old European empires.


33 posted on 05/15/2007 8:27:44 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Ron Paul is #7, not #8.


34 posted on 05/15/2007 8:27:49 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Lakeshark

Ron Paul is a lovable eccentric old guy, who is occasionally right, but he is from that totally unrealistic Libertarian Party breed.

Giuliani was right. Ron Paul can quote al Quaeda, but he shouldn’t actually believe their rationale. Ron is something of a nut, for sure.


35 posted on 05/15/2007 8:27:49 PM PDT by docbnj
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To: Junior_G

No, it was Rudy alone who said that Ron Paul said we invited/deserved the attack. It was a strawman argument that Rudy used to great effect.


36 posted on 05/15/2007 8:28:15 PM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: Vn_survivor_67-68

Many of Ron Paul’s opinions are worthwhile...again, the TRUE Republican view is to go out and nationbuild...however, he’s mistaken on this issue because, we were attacked 1st on 9/11...we should not be insulting the guy...just don’t vote for him in the primary.


37 posted on 05/15/2007 8:29:06 PM PDT by TortReformer
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To: TortReformer

I meant to say “to not go out and nationbuild”


38 posted on 05/15/2007 8:29:58 PM PDT by TortReformer
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To: Remember_Salamis
Actually, the Islamic radicals do hate our freedom because they associate those freedoms with the immoral messages and activities the people in this country export to their country via our music, our movies, our television shows and the like. They see it as a plague that if not destroyed will infect their country.
39 posted on 05/15/2007 8:30:23 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: Shermy
A grave miscalculation on Al-Qaida's part too, thinking that we would merely lob a few missiles; I doubt they thought we invade Iraq though.

I don't buy the cultural changes argument; If that were the case, they'd be slaughtering European Atheist heathens by the truckload. Hell, that's where their cells are based out of.

I like how FOX is going to interview Paul LAST, however.

40 posted on 05/15/2007 8:30:54 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Apparently, neither can Paul.

He doesn't understand why we are ALWAYS going to be a target any more than the moonbats his supporters do. If we isolated ourselves like the Paulbots want, it would destroy this country faster than the Islamofascists could ever dream of. you'd really have to hate America and her citizens to advocate that.

41 posted on 05/15/2007 8:31:30 PM PDT by jess35
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To: Remember_Salamis
Spain, Indonesia, Bali, India, Pakistan, Turkey, Phillipines, Germany, England, just to name a few.....

And yes, supporting Ron Paul does seem to make one dumb, even if you can spell caliphate.

And, of course.....it's all our fault.

42 posted on 05/15/2007 8:31:54 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Before 2004 election from Bin Laden....

That Osama Bin Laden Speach in Full
[ This seems to have been quoted only in tiny fragments, if at all, in the main news media, so here is the English Translation of the full text of Osama Bin Laden’s statement released on the 29th October 2004. It is certainly an interesting insight into how he tries to justify his actions. ]

Praise be to Allah who created the creation for his worship and commanded them to be just and permitted the wronged one to retaliate against the oppressor in kind. To proceed:

Peace be upon he who follows the guidance: People of America this talk of mine is for you and concerns the ideal way to prevent another Manhattan, and deals with the war and its causes and results.

Before I begin, I say to you that security is an indispensable pillar of human life and that free men do not forfeit their security, contrary to Bush’s claim that we hate freedom.

If so, then let him explain to us why we don’t strike for example - Sweden? And we know that freedom-haters don’t possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them.

No, we fight because we are free men who don’t sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

snip

At a time when some of our compatriots were dazzled by America and hoping that these visits would have an effect on our countries, all of a sudden he was affected by those monarchies and military regimes, and became envious of their remaining decades in their positions, to embezzle the public wealth of the nation without supervision or accounting.

So he took dictatorship and suppression of freedoms to his son and they named it the Patriot Act, under the pretence of fighting terrorism. In addition, Bush sanctioned the installing of sons as state governors, and didn’t forget to import expertise in election fraud from the region’s presidents to Florida to be made use of in moments of difficulty.

All that we have mentioned has made it easy for us to provoke and bait this administration. All that we have to do is to send two mujahidin to the furthest point east to raise a piece of cloth on which is written al-Qaida, in order to make the generals race there to cause America to suffer human, economic, and political losses without their achieving for it anything of note other than some benefits for their private companies.

http://www.nofear.org/Archives/2004/11/that_osama_bin.html


43 posted on 05/15/2007 8:32:36 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (Waiting on GOD...)
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To: Remember_Salamis
I like how FOX is going to interview Paul LAST, however.

You caught that, too, huh? I'm anxious to hear his comments.

44 posted on 05/15/2007 8:33:58 PM PDT by CrawDaddyCA (My goodness, is everyone around here smoking crack?)
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To: Desperately Seeking Freedom
Do any of you all actually believe we are being attacked because they hate our freedom?

No we're being attacked because we hate their tyranny and are an obstacle to their spreading of it.

Why aren’t they attacking Monaco and Costa Rica and Switzerland, too?

They plan to subjugate them after they are done destroying us. They are aiming for the head. They will consume the appendages at their leisure.

45 posted on 05/15/2007 8:34:05 PM PDT by Minn (Here is a realistic picture of the prophet: ----> ([: {()
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To: TortReformer

Freudian slip?


46 posted on 05/15/2007 8:34:09 PM PDT by bacterialalbatross
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To: docbnj
Ron is something of a nut, for sure

Sure is.......and apparently he has quite a few followers that have that same eccentric quality of being here.

47 posted on 05/15/2007 8:34:30 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Arcy

God help us with simpletons like you who don’t understand basic but extreme political distinctions between libertarian conservatives and liberalism. You really need to get off this site and read a book once in a while.


48 posted on 05/15/2007 8:35:00 PM PDT by jerseymike
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To: TortReformer
Yes; we were attacked first on 9/11, and we had a right to retaliate for that.

Ron Paul supported retaliation in Afghanistan.

He actually drafted a writ of marque that called for a contract to be put out on the Taliban and al-Qaida. Blackwater Security (or DynCorp, or any other mercs) would roll in and slaughter the whole bunch.

49 posted on 05/15/2007 8:35:34 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Desperately Seeking Freedom
You sound like my kids school teachers. As for attacking the countries you mention, there is no political or religeous capital in doing that. However the islamic fanatics have been blowing up trains, buses, embassies, etc. for a long time.

Read this chronological history of islamic terrorism.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1692946/posts

Then invite this guy over as a dinner guest.

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50 posted on 05/15/2007 8:37:24 PM PDT by Cobra64 (www.BulletBras.net)
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