Skip to comments.BIN LADEN'S FATWA (Why Ron Paul was Factually Correct) (UBL cited Iraq in 1996 Declaration of War)
Posted on 05/15/2007 8:04:25 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis
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Thanks. But I was just stating the facts.
Paul’s obviously clueless about Islamic terrorists. Apparently, so are you.
I know; sometimes its hard to stomach. That’s why I got to the Mises Institute Blog (blog.mises.org) and the LewRockwell Blog (blog.lewrockwell.com), sister sites. It’s commentary from an Old Right, Paleolibertarian perspective.
Paul did not say it was our fault (the American people)...but rather the past 30 years of US CIA and military policy in the region. 9-11 could not be avoided. The question is...how do we stop it from happening again? If you get stung by a bee, do you run around flailing your arms trying to knock down every beehive you come across? (brute force).. or do you burn the hive up from within (intelligence and counter terror).. Its a question of tactics. Paul disagrees with the Normandy-esque invasions favored by the neocons, and I think he is right.
The most sense I've heard out of anyone on this forum so far!
The Civil War and WWI were unjust wars that were fought to increase the size and scope of Government; the Civil War was NOT over Slavery, but over the South's Constitutional right to secede. Lincoln the Dictator did a bang-up job of birthing big government.
WWI - We had no dog in that fight, and we lost hundreds of thousands of men for no good reason. It did, however, allow the USG to try out strong controls on the economy for the first time.
A restriction of civil liberties was not necessary during WWII, with overwhelming support. The threat of Japanese subversives is entirely unfounded.
2. The Athenian fleet was conducting an evacuation of Athens, when the Athenian Commander, Themistocles, interpreted the Oracle as saying that they should build a wooden wall to save them. Themistocles believed the wooden wall as a line of ships, so he decided to defend Athens on the sea.
3. Interestingly, you mentioned the Spartans. The Spartans wanted to go back to Peloponnese and defend Greece on the ground, which would have failed. If they had listened to the Spartan Generals, Greece would have been snuffed out in its infancy.
Actually, Ron Paul is a big believer in the Petrodollar and “Dollar Hegemony” theory.
Pretty well - when was the last time you heard of a massive al Qaeda attack on Russia? 99% of their problems are with domestic insurrectionists. And Russians killed almost a million Muslims in Chechnya in just the latest iteration, not to mention lorded it over half-a-dozen Muslim countries for centuries, before they finally broke free with the dissolution of the Soviet empire. How many millions died during the Russian conquest of the Kazakhs, the Uzbeks, the Tajiks, et al? And yet al Qaeda hasn't really done very much in Chechnya - because the Russians will go after their families in their home countries. Al Qaeda attacks the US and not the Russians to the same degree not because it has more grievances against us, but because they see us as weak, and the Russians as ruthless and vengeful.
If you say so!
Do you think for a second if Paul gets his arse handed to him PR-wise that it makes any difference what he "wanted" to get across if he's unable to defend himself (or if you are unable to get your point across in 3,000 words or less?)
Imagine what the AlQaeda propaganda machine would do to the inept Paul.
So the problem with our foreign policy is that we're not listening to al-Qaeda enough? Perhaps we should run our foreign policy initiates by bin Laden so we can make sure it doesn't ruffle his feathers too much; maybe give them veto power on the Security Council.
Paul has no business in any position of authority. You should get back to your buddies at Daily Kos so you can start poring over the "root causes" of terrorism. Moron.
Hollywood will still exist.
McDonalds will still exist.
Dell and HP will still make money off of laptops used by terrorists and poor nations worldwide because they make the vast majority of pcs worldwide.
And AlQaueda will still whip up hatred for America because of the next Palestinian/Kosovo/Kurdish racial disaster. They will in fact hate us EVEN MORE if our standard of living is the same or even higher, while our anti-oil economy will defund and destabilize all of the Saudi Arabian/UAE 'dictocracies' which keep some semblance of order over there.
America had a choice to make---and Bush had to punch the ticket. God bless him for having the balls to get out of bed in the morning instead of hiding under the isolationist sheets.
Ron Paul's plattitudes are those of a perpetual candidate. They evaporate when they contact the first intelligence briefing in the Whitehouse. Don't be a sucker.
I've heard him speak about middle east policy on the cable news shows and all I heard was standard lefty hand wringing over the plight of the poor Palestinians. The guy truly has no clue.
They are our enemies and they have stated these facts. But even more, there is preponderance of historical evidence backed up by the reams of Islamic scripture which clearly set out these goals. Islam was never, or hardly ever, voted into power anywhere. In the overwhelming number of cases, it was spread as it is now, through the use of brute force and power. It is, as it is presently constituted, a far greater threat to your liberties than any other.
“The Civil War and WWI were unjust wars that were fought to increase the size and scope of Government; the Civil War was NOT over Slavery, but over the South’s Constitutional right to secede. Lincoln the Dictator did a bang-up job of birthing big government. “
O.K. So I see where you stand on that one.
From a purely academic perspective, the South had every legal right to secede. There is nothing in the Constitution to bar secession and secession is not rebellion. Slavery itself may not have been the driving force which motivated most southerners to resist northern aggression, but neither secession nor northern aggression would have occurred without the issue of slavery.
Lincoln, like Thomas Jefferson and George Washington, recognized the inconsistency of the institution of slavery with the premises of the Declaration of Independence. Either black slaves were not men, or the principles on which our Republic were founded were fraudulent.
Had Lincoln not fought the Civil War, a great national tragedy from any perspective, two weaker nations would have evolved, and the weaker of the two would have been the agrarian, slave dominated south ruled by a class of cryptoaristocrats. The intervention by France in Mexico might very well have succeeded and the French might very well have taken over the South and later threatened the north.
The South had many sympathetic figures in the Civil War - Lee, Stewart, etc, the North had few. But the martyred President who would have prevented the kind of brutal retaliation of the radical Republicans during Reconstruction, was one of them.
But even more than that, the last, best hope of humanity would have ended if the South had been successful in its secession.
“WWI - We had no dog in that fight, and we lost hundreds of thousands of men for no good reason. It did, however, allow the USG to try out strong controls on the economy for the first time. “
Actually, I agree with you here, but that doesn’t change the validity of my premise - in order to successfully win a war, you have to make temporary accommodations with certain liberties as long as those liberties are restored after wards.
“A restriction of civil liberties was not necessary during WWII, with overwhelming support.”
But we had them nonetheless and could not have won without them.
“The threat of Japanese subversives is entirely unfounded.”
The way Japanese Americans were treated was inexcusable, and I wouldn;t even attempt to defend it. Many of the Japanese interned in prison camps were not citizens. But they had lived in worked here, in some cases for generations and would have gladly BECOME American citizens but were denied that right because of racial based laws.
Islam is not a race, although most Muslims are Arabs or Indonesians. The target is a belief system like communism and taking action against practitioners of an enemy belief system is fully justified.
Ron Paul and this writer can share the Maroon Award.
I know, but some Athenians, to their misfortune, did NOT evacute Athens. Those who did, chose to make an accomodation with their right to remain there in order to win.
I also know about the Spartan plans to fortify the Isthmus of Corinth. But Themistocles, the man who engineered the victory,was wise enough to argue for a nominal Spartan Admiral to command the allied Greek fllet even though Spartan knowledge of naval warfare was limited. He did this to assure their cooperation.
Did you know what happened to Themistocles after the Persian War?
He was ostracized and exiled by Athens and wound up a suppliant at the Court of the “Evil” Persian King, who
made him one of his courtiers and supported him for life.
I texted in once for Paul and that's it. It wasn't 'gaming' the system, it's a lot of people fed up where the Republicans have taken us
The Civil War was about slavery, but not about its abolition. Too many Southerners had let the institution —define their way of life. They wanted to secede not to keep slavery but to guard their economic system. The North—really the Northwest— had basically blocked its expansion to the west and inhibited its growth to the South. The firebreathers underestimated Lincoln and so did the Southern Whigs who thought they knew him. They sure didn’t expect him to use the navy to blockade the southern coasts, a blatant violation of international law, in part because they didn’t think that the Brits would fail to break that blockade. What really made thiat impssible was not American anti-slavery feelings but British anti-slavery feelings. After their decision to abolish slavery in their empire, they weren’t about to encourage any Southern American poaching in middle-America.
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