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BIN LADEN'S FATWA (Why Ron Paul was Factually Correct) (UBL cited Iraq in 1996 Declaration of War)
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Posted on 05/15/2007 8:04:25 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis

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To: Lakeshark

Rudy bitch slapped Ron Paul which he rightly deserved.

The rest of this stuff is crap.


51 posted on 05/15/2007 8:37:34 PM PDT by fullosseousflap (Flap)
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To: Remember_Salamis
OBL and his Islamic cults have roamed the globe for decades murdering innocents in the marketplace with impunity.

And the world blamed ISRAEL.

So they continued into murder, kidnap and behead, and now the world, and friends, ie the Paul/DNC/UN/MSM ticket, blame America.

Who to blame next when America bugs out?

52 posted on 05/15/2007 8:37:34 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: jess35
How would it destroy this country. Explain please.

Al-Qaida has absolutely ZERO ability to topple the United States or permanently damage our way of life.

If we are attacked after withdrawing, we will retaliate. If not, we will mind our own business, as the founders intended.

53 posted on 05/15/2007 8:37:46 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: jess35

Which is exactly why he is not our candidate. I can’t vote for a guy with two first names.


54 posted on 05/15/2007 8:38:26 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: Desperately Seeking Freedom

“”Do amy of you all actually believe we are being attacked because they hate our freedom? Why aren’t they attacking Monaco and Costa Rica and Switzerland, too?””

They do hate our freedom and see the non-100% Shari’a governments as an extention of American/Western “freedom” in their own way.

You may feel it is a trite comment but this time it actually is correct.

BTW, they think of you as sub-human too. The former placement of troops on Saudi soil is not just seen as a prop to the govt. there, but a defilement.


55 posted on 05/15/2007 8:38:27 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Remember_Salamis

good post.


56 posted on 05/15/2007 8:38:31 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Remember_Salamis

Ron Paul came off like an addled brained half wit from CUNY, what moronicy pill did he take just before the debate?

Does it particularly matter “why” Al Quida does anything? Is this some sort of negotiation that we should be concerned as to what Osama’s motivations are?

Gee, if only we would have listened to Osama and done what he wanted us to do...

Put his head on pike, and be done with him, end of story, let some half wit worry over what he had to say on life on earth.


57 posted on 05/15/2007 8:39:18 PM PDT by padre35 (we are surrounded that simplifies things-Chesty Puller)
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To: Remember_Salamis

“If not, we will mind our own business, as the founders intended.”

Can’t.

Oil.


58 posted on 05/15/2007 8:39:36 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Remember_Salamis

GO RON!


59 posted on 05/15/2007 8:39:49 PM PDT by UncleDick
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To: Remember_Salamis

China has not been attacked because the terrorists know they’d be in for hell if they hit the Chinese. Thank God for Bush and to hell with wussies. If the terrorists knew we’d hit them like China would, they’d leave us alone. Now go be silly somewhere else.


60 posted on 05/15/2007 8:42:04 PM PDT by MadLibDisease (The ultimate result of shielding men from the effects of folly is to fill the world with fools.)
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To: Desperately Seeking Freedom
While it's true that we were not attacked simply because they disagreed with our concept of freedom, it's also true that we'd probably have been attacked on 9/11 even if Saddam's forces had not been kicked out of Kuwait in 91, etc.

Anyone who thinks otherwise is either ignorant or gullible as hell, and Ron Paul's apparent (I didn't hear the debate) belief that "involvement" in the region is the driving force behind their hatred of the West is far more off base and objectionable than the Bush/Guiliani line.

Islam has traditionally taught that believers have a responsibility to spread the religion by force, period. To that extent, Al Qaida is fully in agreement with orthodox Islam. Ron Paul may have been "factually correct" that Osama gave Iraq as a specific reason, but if he actually believes they wouldn't be attacking us otherwise then he is far from being fit enough to serve as CIC.

61 posted on 05/15/2007 8:42:18 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: Lakeshark
In case you haven't noticed, they attack and have attacked anyone who doesn't believe their Islamic caliphate.

So why do they attack Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

62 posted on 05/15/2007 8:42:21 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: CrawDaddyCA

Ron Paul. The America-haters’ favorite Republican. And he’s not embarrassed.


63 posted on 05/15/2007 8:42:29 PM PDT by cookcounty (No journalist ever won a prize for reporting the facts. --Telling big stories? Now that's a hit.)
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To: Lakeshark
In case you haven't noticed, they attack and have attacked anyone who doesn't believe their Islamic caliphate

Of the 150 or so countries that don't believe in the caliphate, how many has Al Qaeda attacked? Not many.

64 posted on 05/15/2007 8:43:06 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: UncleDick

Go retard Ron! Sounds just like Nancy Pelosi on foreign polic. Wooohooo! When the liberal dummies love this guy, it sure says much!


65 posted on 05/15/2007 8:43:20 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

“I don’t buy the cultural changes argument;”

Read Qutb for one. I think you will change your mind.

“If that were the case, they’d be slaughtering European Atheist heathens by the truckload.”

They’re too busy after a bigger enemy — apostate Shi’ites.

“Hell, that’s where their cells are based out of.”

European and American “Religious Refugee” immigration rules actually privileged the most radical types. Your comment has much truth to it. Gaddafi cracked if the US wanted to be more effective it should bomb London.


66 posted on 05/15/2007 8:44:07 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: jerseymike
hey JerseyMike,
You need to relocate away from all of the nuclear waste dumps in your state and breath some clean air. I would also recommend you have the galvanized water pipes in your home be brought up to code. Clearly you’re ingesting poison into your system. When Ron Paul takes the side of Allen Colmbs and vise versa then “Houston, we have a problem”.
67 posted on 05/15/2007 8:44:21 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: Remember_Salamis
Still, as a Ron Paul supporter, it was not a good night for Ron Paul.
68 posted on 05/15/2007 8:44:30 PM PDT by jackieaxe (This one hour pre-flight security screening is brought to you by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)
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To: Brimack34
Ron Paul is a useful idiot for Islam - part of the Blame America first crowd. He actually does blame America - hence he said what would we do if China occupied us? He doesn’t see the Islamists as being at fault at all. How much clearer does he need to be?
69 posted on 05/15/2007 8:45:14 PM PDT by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: Remember_Salamis; dighton
Why Ron Paul was Factually Correct (UBL cited Iraq in 1996 Declaration of War)

One can be factually/legally/technically correct and still be a kooky loser.

See also: pedestrians who aren't paying attention, believing the bus will never hit them.

Technically, they have the right-of-way.
Unfortunately, they still get run over.

70 posted on 05/15/2007 8:46:12 PM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: Remember_Salamis
"Al-Qaida has absolutely ZERO ability to topple the United States or permanently damage our way of life.

If we are attacked after withdrawing, we will retaliate.

If they set a nuke off in one of our cities they will not permanently damage our way of life?

And you may have noticed, threat of retaliation is meaningless to Al-Qaeda.

71 posted on 05/15/2007 8:46:23 PM PDT by cookcounty (No journalist ever won a prize for reporting the facts. --Telling big stories? Now that's a hit.)
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To: Arcy
Which is exactly why he is not our candidate. I can’t vote for a guy with two first names.

So you wouldn't vote for Duncan Hunter?
72 posted on 05/15/2007 8:46:53 PM PDT by jackieaxe (This one hour pre-flight security screening is brought to you by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)
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To: Rodney King
You are truly being ignorant. I gave a short list of who they have attacked. It's a lot longer then what I listed, but hey....don't let facts get in the way of your support of Ron Paul now.

They do hate everyone, and if you don't understand that, you may be as ignorant as Ron Paul. Wait.....you're one of his supporters......

*Slapping forehead*

73 posted on 05/15/2007 8:47:27 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Rodney King
So why do they attack Saudi Arabia and Pakistan?

They aren't radical enough for the Islamists.

74 posted on 05/15/2007 8:47:56 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the Democrat(ic) caucus of corruption)
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To: Remember_Salamis
"Remember_Salamis" said --

Tonight, Ron Paul stated that al-Qaida attacked us because we are involved in the Middle East. Below I have posted Bin Laden's declaration of War against the United States, made in 1996. He cites (1) US Involvement in the Middle East, (2) Palestine, and (3) Sanctions on Iraq as reasons why he has declared war.

Well, that sound about right to me. I'm not sure why some people are jumping on that statement. Is there a problem with it?

Regards,
Star Traveler

75 posted on 05/15/2007 8:48:48 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Sam Gamgee
I’ve been waiting for the folks here to catch up on the fact that Ron Paul is not our candidate. Hillary would eat his lunch in a presidential debate.
76 posted on 05/15/2007 8:49:27 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: Rodney King

Because they are not Islamic governments. Saudi Arabia is a monarchy, and Pakistan is a military dictatorship. OBL and his ilk think the only acceptable dictators are people like themselves: devout, homicidal, intolerant, unmerciful followers of the “Religion of Peace”.


77 posted on 05/15/2007 8:50:41 PM PDT by liberte
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To: Lakeshark
You are truly being ignorant. I gave a short list of who they have attacked. It's a lot longer then what I listed, but hey....don't let facts get in the way of your support of Ron Paul now. They do hate everyone, and if you don't understand that, you may be as ignorant as Ron Paul. Wait.....you're one of his supporters...... *Slapping forehead*

Huh? You said they attacked everyone who doesn't believe in the caliphate. I simply pointed out that is not even close to being true. so when you say things like "don't let the facts get in the way" I can only assume that you are speaking to someone else or are incapable of logical thought.

78 posted on 05/15/2007 8:50:43 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Remember_Salamis
This is bullshite and YOU know it.

They looked for a reason to justify their HATE and they CHOOSE that one. Our mere existence ALONE is enough reason for them to want us dead. The R.O.P. is a jealous and power hungry group of tribalists. Ron Paul is naive beyond reason if he TRULY believes what he said, an therefore NOT fit to be President Of The United States Of America. PERIOD.

79 posted on 05/15/2007 8:51:45 PM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Very Proud Dad of LCpl Smoothguy242 USMC of 1/3 Marines, now fighting for freedom, on duty in Iraq.)
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To: Star Traveler
Well, that sound about right to me. I'm not sure why some people are jumping on that statement. Is there a problem with it?

Here at FR, we are very big on taking the arabs at their word that they want to kill us. But when it comes to "why", we assume that they are lying. Or something like that.

80 posted on 05/15/2007 8:52:07 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: jackieaxe
as a Ron Paul supporter, it was not a good night for Ron Paul.

I just copied this from Glenn Reynolds website (fellow libertarian)....I think it says it all:

"No offense, but the libertarian movement is going nowhere with Ron Paul as the face. His comments about 9/11 are comparable to Rosie O'Donnell"

Ouch.

81 posted on 05/15/2007 8:52:40 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Remember_Salamis
Does China support the caliphate? Because they haven't attacked them yet; It must be on the to-do list.

Has it occurred to you that a closed, tightly-controlled and homogeneous society like China doesn't provide an easy target? What about the fact that China is a major weapons source for jihadists, or anyone else who will fork over cold hard cash (including the Taliban, until Rumsfeld opened up a brand-new box of captured Chinese weaponry on the news just after the Taliban cut and run)? Islamists who strike China will lose the lowest cost weapons provider out there. And anyone who harbors these people will be tortured to death for information or executed (perhaps along with the male members of their families, as has happened to China's Uighur Muslims) instead of being sent to a cushy resort like Guantanamo.

Has it also occurred to you that China might also have an informal alliance with the jihadists? Note how Chinese weaponry has been found in Somalia and the Sudan.

Bottom line here is even though al Qaeda doesn't hate us for the things Giuliani says it does, it hates us for standing in the way of their takeover of Muslim governments around the world. The only way for us to redeem ourselves would be for us to deliver those governments into al Qaeda's hands. Thanks but no thanks.

The fact is that al Qaeda can't defeat those governments. But they think they can make us deliver those governments to them by attacking us. Think of how Carter made the Shah abdicate the throne in favor of the Ayatollah Khomeini. Al Qaeda figured it could speed the process along by attacking us on home ground. We are the weakest link.

82 posted on 05/15/2007 8:52:40 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Mr. Jazzy
Applauding your post. Ron Paul stands zero chance of winning the republican nomination.
83 posted on 05/15/2007 8:53:50 PM PDT by jrooney (The democrats are the friend of our enemy and the enemy of our friends. Attack them, not GW!)
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To: Desperately Seeking Freedom

They are attacking us because we are infidels. Just so happens we are the biggest infidels on the block. Why is that so hard to understand?


84 posted on 05/15/2007 8:53:53 PM PDT by statered ("And you know what I mean.")
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To: Lakeshark

Spain - was in Iraq as an ally at the time.

Indonesia - An ally in GWOT; has helped us reound up members of Jeemah Islamiyah; Attacks directly on Indonesia have been quite small

- Bali - Australia is a major ally in the war on terrorism.

- Pakistan - A no-brainer; they turned on the Taliban and helped us topple them; they have also conducted numerous operations to round up al-Qaida agents. The highest-ranking al-qaida members captured to date, Ramsi bin al-shib and Khalid sheik Mohammad, were both rolled up in Pakistani, not US, operations.

- Turkey - A secular muslim state that has cracked down on radicals for decades; also a major ally of the US

- the Philippines - The Abu Sayyaf Group (ASG) is part of a 100-year old muslim independence movement in the southern Philippines (Mindanao, Jolo, and Basilan islands). The Government has even granted the separatists the “Autonomous Region of Muslim Mindanao” (ARMM). The ASG is also part organized crime, and sometimes it is hard to tell the difference.

- Germany - You must be talking about the ‘86 disco bombing; two weeks before the attack, 35 Libyan sailors were killed in a Naval skirmish in Libyan waters with the US Navy; the bombing was retribution against US servicemembers.

- England - the 51st State; Al-Qaida uses the same arguments to attack them that they use to attack us.


85 posted on 05/15/2007 8:54:25 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Sam Gamgee
If we rolled up what Ron Paul knew about defending this country and put it in the head of a mosquito, it would bounce around like a bee-bee in a box car. I will not vote for this guy.
86 posted on 05/15/2007 8:54:39 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT
"And we know that freedom-haters don’t possess defiant spirits like those of the 19 - may Allah have mercy on them...

No, we fight because we are free men who don’t sleep under oppression. We want to restore freedom to our nation, just as you lay waste to our nation. So shall we lay waste to yours.

So, bin laden explicitly states that they are NOT freedom haters, but attack because of our policies.

87 posted on 05/15/2007 8:56:25 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Rodney King
Here is the list I gave in post 42:

Spain, Indonesia, Bali, India, Pakistan, Turkey, Phillipines, Germany, England, just to name a few

And yes.......you are showing I am speaking to an ignorant moron.

88 posted on 05/15/2007 8:57:26 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Minn

Why do you insist our enemies are 10 feet tall? They don’t think we hate their tyranny because we support the regimes in Saudi, Jordan, and Egypt, all the while turning a blind eye to Syria.


89 posted on 05/15/2007 8:58:03 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Rodney King
"Rodney King" said --

Here at FR, we are very big on taking the arabs at their word that they want to kill us. But when it comes to "why", we assume that they are lying. Or something like that.

Well, they do practice lying as part of their religio-fanatical-governmental oppressive idealogy of Islam. I know that. But, in this case, they're definitely not lying.

And that's not even addressing the issue that they definitely want to take over the entire world. And they're not even joking about that one. So, I find no reason to disbelieve what is written in black and white in what they consider to be their sacred scriptures from Mohammed (PBUH - PissBeUponHim)...

Regards,
Star Traveler

90 posted on 05/15/2007 8:59:50 PM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Remember_Salamis
What about Russia, Algeria, Argentina, Somalia (Pre-US intervention) Kenya, India, etc? By your logic we should close up all our embassies and stop trade with all other nations on the planet because Al Qaeda said so.
91 posted on 05/15/2007 8:59:54 PM PDT by oldleft
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To: Remember_Salamis
Yep....it's all our fault that we have picked on these poor misunderstood religious men........so they just had to attack these countries..... /sarcasm.

Are you really this dumb?

92 posted on 05/15/2007 9:00:10 PM PDT by Lakeshark (Thank a member of the US armed forces for their sacrifice)
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To: Rodney King
Here at FR, we are very big on taking the arabs at their word that they want to kill us. But when it comes to "why", we assume that they are lying. Or something like that.

We take them at their word when they say they want to kill us because of little things like 9/11. When they rattle off their reasons, they include things like world poverty, global warming, and a whole laundry list of grievances ripped off from the Communists. Communists and fascists who slaughter their opponents don't say they're doing it to maintain their perks and power, they claim to be doing it for the good of the nation. Jihadists will say whatever helps them raise funds or appeal to public opinion.

93 posted on 05/15/2007 9:00:52 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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To: Shermy
Yes; a defilement by our being there would be a type of intervention, yes?

I don't really care if they see me as sub-human.

I see them as a follower of a false prophet, followers of a religion spread by the sword. But so what?

I doubt they have the ability to install sharia law in most muslim states, not to mention non-muslims states.

94 posted on 05/15/2007 9:02:21 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Zhang Fei
When they rattle off their reasons, they include things like world poverty, global warming, and a whole laundry list of grievances ripped off from the Communists.

Actually, all I ever hear is that we are messing around in the middle east. Reading this initial post, there is no mention of anything other than that.

95 posted on 05/15/2007 9:03:20 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: padre35

Yes; it does matter WHY they do things. It does not matter whether an opponent is evil or not; the Nazis were evil, and it definitely mattered WHY they did things.


96 posted on 05/15/2007 9:03:39 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Remember_Salamis

I’d like to thank Ron Paul for linking Al Queda and Iraq.


97 posted on 05/15/2007 9:04:11 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the Democrat(ic) caucus of corruption)
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To: Shermy

The oil claim is BS. Oil is a fungible market; if they sell it to anybody, they sell it to everybody. If oil goes above $80 - $100 a barrel, oil shale and US wells become profitable.


98 posted on 05/15/2007 9:04:43 PM PDT by Remember_Salamis (A nation which can prefer disgrace to danger is prepared for a master, and deserves one!)
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To: Lakeshark
And yes.......you are showing I am speaking to an ignorant moron.

Look, you don't need to get all nasty. You said "ALL", when I challenged you on that, you could have just said that was an exageration. The fact is, you were wrong, and like a person with zero integrity, you have responded by attacking me personally for pointing out that you were wrong.

99 posted on 05/15/2007 9:04:54 PM PDT by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: Remember_Salamis

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100 posted on 05/15/2007 9:05:25 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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