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To: Remember_Salamis
So, bin laden explicitly states that they are NOT freedom haters, but attack because of our policies.

On the terrorist thread this is what I have seen. The above is my understanding of Bin Ladens thinking.

We also armed Bin Laden in his war with the Russians, with the best of the best military equipment we had. scary Then WE turned on Bin Laden.

I personally didn't see anyone of those guys I would get out of bed to go vote for, but Ron Paul was correct.

102 posted on 05/15/2007 9:06:29 PM PDT by DAVEY CROCKETT (Waiting on GOD...)
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT
We also armed Bin Laden in his war with the Russians, with the best of the best military equipment we had. scary Then WE turned on Bin Laden.

Incorrect. The US had zilch to do with Bin Laden's Arab fighters in Afghanistan.

111 posted on 05/15/2007 9:11:38 PM PDT by MitchellC
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To: DAVEY CROCKETT
We also armed Bin Laden in his war with the Russians, with the best of the best military equipment we had. scary Then WE turned on Bin Laden.

I'm afraid I find the sources for your claims dubious, at best. However, let's take them at face value. Let's say we did arm bin Laden. (And everything I write after this will be based on this dubious assumption). Exactly how did we turn on him? Was it before or after he launched terrorist strikes on us, starting in the '90's?

You could say it was our responsibility to continue funding him, since he had fought our proxy war against the Soviets for us. You could even say that it was our responsibility to drive Israel into the sea, because Muslims had helped drive the Soviets out of Afghanistan. But how is any of this reasonable as payment for Muslim efforts in Afghanistan? The interests most directly affected by the Soviet invasion were Afghan and Muslim interests. We gave them for free, about a billion dollars worth of weaponry to help defeat a mortal threat to Afghanistan's continued independence. And their response is to say we owe them for helping them to ensure Afghanistan's continued sovereignty? If there's any betrayal involved, it's their betrayal of us, not our betrayal of them.

Let's step back and take a look at the big picture. If I accept your claim that we armed him, did we do so *before* or after his attacks against us?

Note that we helped keep the Russians afloat via massive shipments of aid after the National Socialist invasion of the Soviet Union. This was *after* we knew of tens of millions of dead in the Soviet Union via summary execution, mass murders and forced collectivization. And the Soviets went on to kill 100,000 Americans via their proxy wars in Korea and Vietnam, where they instigated, supplied and trained our adversaries to the tune of billions of dollars. Were the American deaths in Korea and Vietnam our fault for supporting the Soviet Union militarily and financially during WWII against the National Socialists?

If we armed bin Laden during the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan, we armed him *before* he attacked us. But we armed the Soviets during WWII *after* we knew of their mass murdering ways. The bottom line here is that we are no more responsible for 9/11 because we armed bin Laden than we are of the casualties from Korea and Vietnam because we armed the Soviets. We simply had no way of knowing that they would turn against us. We have helped a lot of causes and countries in wartime. Our historical allies haven't always been grateful, but only the Soviets and bin Laden have repaid our generosity in the coin of American deaths. Their betrayal in the face of our past generosity is evidence of their treachery rather than of ours.

236 posted on 05/16/2007 7:53:01 PM PDT by Zhang Fei
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