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(NC) State Senate Agrees to Vote Plan for Electing President (Joins the Soros/Ickes led "movement")
WRAL TV News - Raleigh, NC ^ | Posted:Yesterday May. 14, 2007 / Updated: Today, May 15 at 6:23 a.m. | By GARY D. ROBERTSON - AP Writer

Posted on 05/15/2007 8:05:10 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt

RALEIGH, N.C. — North Carolina would enter a compact that could eliminate the power of the Electoral College system to choose a president in a bill that passed the Senate on Monday night.

If agreed to by enough states representing a majority of the nation's 538 electoral votes, the measure would require North Carolina to give its electoral votes to whichever candidate wins the popular vote nationwide.....

(Excerpt) Read more at wral.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: electoralcollege; ickes; overturn; soros
This is an update to this thread N.C. Bill Seeks to Elect President by Popular Vote posted last night (from the Charlotte Observer) before the vote had been taken - recommending some grassroots lobbying to STOP the Democratic led NC Senate from passing this measure (the vote had been put off from Friday to Mondy night. Then WRAL printed the story AFTER the Senate PASSED this measure - but today this momentous vote was way down the News page at WRAL - in fact you had to ping the STATE stories and go to "more news" in order to find it!!! (They do NOT want North Carolinians to know about THESE shennanigans).

More info below re: who is sponsoring this nationwide push through the State Legislatures to overturn the electoral college.

1 posted on 05/15/2007 8:05:16 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Let's suppose this traversty passes. Then we have a 2004 redux, only the Dim flips 70,000 votes or so and narrowly wins Ohio, despite losing the popular vote nationwide.

Of course the Dems will sue to have the very laws they pass struck down as unconstitutional because they don't like the outcome.

2 posted on 05/15/2007 8:12:40 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (Are there any men left in Washington? Or are there only cowards? Ahmad Shah Massoud)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Why these legislators would vote to surrender their state’s voters — and their votes — to the whims of California and New York is beyond me. This is being pushed by demagogues who have no knowlege of the Constitution, and why the Framers set up the electoral college in the first place.


3 posted on 05/15/2007 8:13:06 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They've screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Is there any good reason why a state with a small population would support this measure?


4 posted on 05/15/2007 8:13:25 PM PDT by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Don’t you see, this is part of the grand left plan.

Flood the cities with immigrants - illegal or otherwise, makes no difference. Create a vast, permanent, underclass whose very existence depends on continuing government programs and welfare systems, and hold power forever. It’s not about North Carolina - it’s about a march to socialism.

Along the way, silence the rest with the resurrection of the Fairness Doctrine.

My social conscience can just pipe down right now - I vote for ANY Republican before I allow a Dem to take the White House.


5 posted on 05/15/2007 8:20:52 PM PDT by StatenIsland
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
And some people I know actually wondered why I just couldn’t seem to adjust to the lifestyle, living in the very beautiful state of NC.
6 posted on 05/15/2007 8:27:13 PM PDT by sarasmom ( The cover of my "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" is now flashing "Panic".)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

And does anyone think that Gov Easly won’t sign this into law?

BWAHAHA.


7 posted on 05/15/2007 8:30:00 PM PDT by padre35 (we are surrounded that simplifies things-Chesty Puller)
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To: Constitution Day; Vinnie; b4its2late; Phantom Lord; Bob J; GrandEagle; buffyt; Jake The Goose; ...
See my post 39 on yesterday's thread. Didn't know at that time what connection Soros had to this "movement" to eliminate the electoral college WITHOUT a Constitutional Amendment = but this stealthy effort has Hillary/Soros Stink all over it....and sure enough, it does.

John R Koza, co-founder of National PopularVote.com (I can no longer go to that website, my access is denied!) has this information about him at Wikipedia

Please read HERE .

8 posted on 05/15/2007 8:37:20 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: 3AngelaD

Yes it’s being pushed by George Soros and Harold Ickes. Hitlery’s allies in the Destruction of the American Constitutional form of government.


9 posted on 05/15/2007 8:39:05 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: padre35; All
Yes of course if this hideous measure passes the NC House - not a done deal yet - Governor Easley will sign it - unless somehow the word can get out about what and who this measure will do if the plotters are successful in their "end run" around the Constitutional Amendment process.

More information on Koza, the co founder of this organization pushing this "movement" as listed above.

Money Report Shows Democratic Senate Campaign Unit Still Living Large

By Greg Giroux Tue Feb 27, 11:59 AM ET

You noticed that George Allen and other important Republican conservative Senators were defeated in 2006 supposedly showing how America "feels" about George W Bush and the Iraq war?

Not so.

And Mr. Koza had a nice part in helping bring the Demonazi's into power in the US Senate.

(He was a large contributor to the effort to defeat targeted Conservative Republican Senators - and this effort, was, of course, successful.

Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee

• January 2007 receipts: $2.2 million
• Cycle-to-date receipts: $2.2 million
• January 2007 expenditures: $1.2 million
• Cycle-to-date expenditures: $1.2 million
• Cash on hand, Jan. 31: $1.1 million
• Debts, Jan. 31: $6.4 million

Notable contributions from individualsz

John R. Koza, president of Third Millennium Venture Capital: $28,500

10 posted on 05/15/2007 8:49:12 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

i really think that this is unconstitutional!


11 posted on 05/15/2007 8:51:08 PM PDT by Jewels1091
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To: sarasmom

Sorry NC has become the pit of the South in regards to taxes and state government corruption and liberalism....it used to be a wonderful place to live....still is in many ways....but cooperating with Soros and Ickes to “get around” the Constitutional Amendment requirement to eliminate the Electoral College (which would be stopped!) - is NOT SOMETHING any North Carolinian should be proud of.


12 posted on 05/15/2007 8:51:23 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
No - there is no GOOD REASON. The ONLY REASON is the Democrats/George Soros/Harold Ickes/Hillary Clinton's unquenchable thirst for power - in order to destroy our Constitutional form of government and with it our freedoms, and, should they succeed, at the cost of many lives should they succeed.
13 posted on 05/15/2007 8:53:08 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

What this will mean is that candidates need only campaign in the megalopolies on the coast and ignore the rest of the country. They will pander to the Mexicans, the Muslims and the multicuturalists who will milk the system for all they can. It will be rul;e by the majoritarian mob like they have in Europe and we all know where all that leads. We must stop all of this by whatever means we can. If you live in Nebraska or Colorado or iowa you can kiss what little influence you have goodbye if this pig flies.


14 posted on 05/15/2007 8:54:25 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: rmlew; Clemenza; Yehuda; firebrand; nutmeg; hellinahandcart; RaceBannon

ping


15 posted on 05/15/2007 8:58:56 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: neverdem

ping


16 posted on 05/15/2007 9:01:10 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Vigilanteman; Bob J; Constitution Day; sand88; All
Yes of course.

More info about John Koza - co founder of the organization primarily pushing this "movement" through the State Legislatures:

Koza, John R. (Third Millennium On-Line Products/P), (Zip code: 94309) $5000 to VICTORY CAMPAIGN 2004 on 05/19/04 - This is apparently one of the Democratic Party's 527 Groups More information on these groups HERE

17 posted on 05/15/2007 9:03:36 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
Is there any good reason why a state with a small population would support this measure?

Anyone who supports this measure truly hates our Republic and all for which it stands. The only reason they did this in NC is because the demo legislature is taking orders from national. They demos in NC care more about making the US a socialistic hell, than in defending our Constitution.

It is all about the acquisition of raw power in order to impose a leftist totalitarian dictatorship across this once great Republic. If more and more states cede power to the evil left, there will no doubt be crisis more dangerous to our survival than the Civil War. The moment this Republic starts to truly unravel, dark forces around the world will try to unleash holy hell upon us. Without a doubt, dark days are ahead for all who cherish Liberty, respect individual rights and believe in Capitalism.

18 posted on 05/15/2007 9:05:10 PM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
George Soros

I believe in my heart that Soros is without a doubt the most evil human being alive on Earth today. He is one with Satan. Soros lives for one reason - to destroy the once great Republic and morph it into a socialist hell. Damn him and all who follow him.

19 posted on 05/15/2007 9:07:01 PM PDT by sand88 (q)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Well, there goes the ball game, folks. Do the voters have any say in these decisions, or are ALL the legislatures infiltrated by the Communists? There are no more Democrats, you know. They’ve all stepped over the line into Communism. We have lost so many freedoms, and are losing more of them each passing day. The courts are legislating us out of our private property, among other things. Are the people finally waking up?


20 posted on 05/15/2007 9:10:58 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge,)
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To: Cacique; Vinnie; Constitution Day; All
Exactly right.

Thanks for pinging other interested people.

They might be interested in this further information on John Koza who is co founder of the group pushing this "movement" - as in "Move On. Org" led movement - NOT a movement of the people, by the people, and for the people.

This "VICTORY CAMPAIGN 2004" to which Mr. Koza donated $5000 in 2004 - has this information posted about it:

Chief fund-raising entity for the Shadow Party

Founded by George Soros and Harold Ickes

Executive Director is New Left activist and Clinton aide, Harold Ickes

Other key players: Janice Ann Enright, George Soros


From this source: http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/funderprofile.asp?fndid=5342&category=79

21 posted on 05/15/2007 9:11:46 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Jewels1091

Yes it is indeed and the people pushing this KNOW it is unconstitutional.


22 posted on 05/15/2007 9:12:20 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Jewels1091

Like marriage to a noncommital man, the Constitution (marriage license) is just a piece of paper to the Communists (Demonrats).


23 posted on 05/15/2007 9:13:45 PM PDT by Paperdoll ( on the cutting edge,)
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To: Paperdoll; sand88

Totally correct.


24 posted on 05/15/2007 9:13:55 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: All
More from this source listed in post 21: "Run jointly by America Coming Together and The Media Fund, JVC (Joint Victory Committe) collectsed contributions for these two groups.

In 2004 alone, JVC channeled $21.8 million to The Media Fund and $13.2 million to American Coming Together.

Since it was little more than a money conduit, JVC attracted less press attention than other organizations it funded. However, JVC did surface briefly in a February 5, 2004 Washington Post editorial questioning the shadowy nature of its financial transactons. (even the Washington POST questioned the "shadowy nature" of the funding of this "Joint Victory Fund".

"The editorial noted that a mysterious 527 committee calling itself the Sustainable World Corporation had suddenly sprung into existence in Houston, Texas on December 10, 2003. Seven days later, it donated $3.1 million to Joint Victory Campaign 2004, which then divided the money between ACT and The Media Fund.

The Washington Post attempted to discover the source of the $3.1 million donation. Said the editorial: "Sustainable World Corp. lists only a post office box in Houston as its address. Directory assistance has no number for it. Searches of ordinary business databases come up empty.

We tracked down Lewis Linn, the Houston accountant who is listed as its registered agent, and asked him about Sustainable World; he said he was bound by professional constraints to keep information about it confidential.

Asked if he would check to see whether those behind Sustainable World would let him reveal their identity, Mr. Linn called back to say, 'I've talked to my clients, and they wish to remain private.'" (I BET THEY DID)

"Janice Ann Enright was the Treasurer of Joint Victory Campaign 2004. She is a long-time aide to Harold Ickes. Enright, who is not an attorney, joined Harold Ickes' firm Meyer, Suozzi, English & Klein at the same time Ickes himself returned to the firm in June 1998 (after he had served a 1994-97 stint as Assistant to President Bill Clinton and as Deputy White House Chief of Staff for Political Affairs and Policy). Today Enright works for Ickes in the firm's Washington office, where she is Senior Advisor for Government Affairs.

Ickes and Enright advised Hillary Clinton during her successful New York Senate campaign in 1999 and 2000 - a victory widely attributed to Ickes' ruthless style of backroom politics.

Among the chief individual donors to JVC were Dan Lewis, Jonathan D. Lewis, S. Daniel Abraham, Peter B. Lewis, Richard Rosenthal, Herb Sandler, Marion Sandler, George Soros, Stewart A. Resnick, Lewis B. Cullman, Frank Brunckhorst, Louise Gund, Susie Buell, Stephen Bing, Agnes Varis, Anne Getty Earhart, Marcy Carsey, Nancy Burnett, Linda Pritzker, and Susan P. Orr. "

25 posted on 05/15/2007 9:22:40 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Cacique

thanks, bfl


26 posted on 05/15/2007 9:34:44 PM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: All
One more bit of information about John Koza, co-sponsor of the group pushing the "movement" to overturn the electoral college - state by state - North Carolina's State Senate being the latest to capitulate to the desires of these people: Hillary Clinton / Harold Ickes / George Soros.

From: PublicIntegrity.org - http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/search.aspx?act=main&type=ind&donrec=don&name=Koza

John Koza Los Altos, CA Third Millenium Vc
$5,000 Pre-gengengen New Democrat Network - Non-Federal

John Koza Los Altos, CA Third Millenium $5,000 M07 Sierra Club Voter Education Fund

John Koza Los Altos, CA Third Millenium Venture Capital $5,000 Q3 New Democrat Network - Non-Federal

John Koza Los Altos, CA Genetic Programming Inc. $20,000 POST America Coming Together - Nonfederal Account

John Koza Los Altos, CA Genetic Programming Inc. $4,000 POST America Coming Together - Nonfederal Account

John R. Koza Los Altos, CA President $1,000 Q2 MoveOn.org Voter Fund

My comments: Mr. Koza, was (is?) a steady large contributor to America Coming Together and MoveOn.org - and is the CO-FOUNDER OF NATIONAL POPULAR VOTE.COM - organization pushing the removal of the electoral college system of voting for President - by getting around the requirement for a constitutioinal amendment to make such a fundamental change in our Nation's election process.

27 posted on 05/15/2007 9:36:53 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Has the John Locke foundation weighed in on all of this stuff?

NC is rapidly becomming a liberal bastion at the state level, the Hosue and Senate are run as personal Fiefdoms of the Gov and Dan Blue.

When decker rooled over for that 50,000 he literally handed the state to the Dhims for the decade.


28 posted on 05/15/2007 10:09:06 PM PDT by padre35 (we are surrounded that simplifies things-Chesty Puller)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
I wish you well up there, as I still have blood kin, inlaws, friends, and many acquaintances of whom I am very fond, that still live there.

In the coming “troubles”, you will likely meet at least one of them.
As good and as descent a people they all are, individually, I wouldn’t trust them as a group to watch my, or anyone else's, back.

29 posted on 05/15/2007 10:14:11 PM PDT by sarasmom ( The cover of my "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" is now flashing "Panic".)
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To: Cacique; Congressman Billybob

What’s happened to NC politics? Are too many Yankee lefties moving there, and is this effort to subvert the Electoral College unconstitutional? With only one state, Maryland IIRC, having passed it, it doesn’t seem likely to effect 2008, IMHO.


30 posted on 05/16/2007 1:07:09 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: padre35
Yes he did - (Decker). What a traitor. But Jim Black, what a corrupt to the core Dem. Yes, he is out of power but the fifedom remains.

I don't know about the John LOcke Foundation's take on this "movement".

31 posted on 05/16/2007 5:58:28 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: sarasmom

LOL - well thanks - and we need all the good and decent people here we can get. Are they Democrats?


32 posted on 05/16/2007 5:59:45 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Paperdoll
Are people finally waking up

That is the question.

I don't think so. I've been awake. It is simply difficult to break the power of the Criminal Democratic Power Machine that is constantly pressing in as you say to take away more and more of our money, our livelihood, and our freedom. And, the end game is, of course, to take away our country as we have known it. They are very close to success but the battle still rages on in parts of the country.

We who love freedom must never stop fighting.

33 posted on 05/16/2007 6:03:23 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: All
Please pass the word to any who are concerned about Soros, Ickes, and their connection to the "movement" to eliminate the electoral college - state by state.

One way to fight is to publicize the facts to as many sources as possible including media sources.

Perhaps Mark Levin would be interested in talking about this on his radio program which has just recently started broadcasting into the Raleigh-Durham area???

More later tonight.

34 posted on 05/16/2007 6:05:57 AM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Jewels1091

The only possibility is that states cannot enter into contracts or compacts with other states without consent of Congress. This Congress, however, would probably approve, but I don’t know if the Presidents approval would be neededas well.


35 posted on 05/16/2007 6:14:46 AM PDT by Tatze (I'm in a state of taglinelessness!)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

Democrats took over here in Iowa, too and they introduced this exact same legislation. I don’t know what has happened to it.


36 posted on 05/16/2007 6:19:36 AM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

The NC Senate just voted to completely ignore the vote and will of its own people... the people of NC should be storming the Senate chambers and dragging the people who voted for this through the streets.


37 posted on 05/16/2007 6:36:40 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

This movement was started a while ago, and has had massive funding.


38 posted on 05/16/2007 6:38:22 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt

So all the blue states and a few red states pass the law until 25 states do so. As long as the red states don’t pass the law, this is good for Republican candidates because their states are safe and they can, for example, swing New York by winning votes from Texas, but Dems cannot swing Texas by winning votes form New York.


39 posted on 05/16/2007 7:42:49 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: padre35

NC mtns use to be Republican; now, libs are moving in big time. Where r they coming from? Scary.


40 posted on 05/16/2007 9:31:20 AM PDT by ncpatriot
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To: mcar

ping for roll call


41 posted on 05/16/2007 3:04:09 PM PDT by kcar (Victory is the best exit strategy.)
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To: kcar
343 SB 954 POPULAR ELECTION. 2nd Edition Sponsor: CLODFELTER Motion 2\Prev Question Outcome: PASSED Time: May 14 2007 8:10PM Total Votes: 48 Ayes: 30 Noes: 18 Not: 1 Exc. Absent: 1 Exc. Vote: 0

Ayes: Senator(s): Albertson; Atwater; Basnight; Berger, D.; Boseman; Clodfelter; Cowell; Dalton; Dannelly; Dorsett; Foriest; Garrou; Goss; Graham; Hagan; Hoyle; Jenkins; Jones; Kerr; Kinnaird; Malone; McKissick; Purcell; Queen; Rand; Shaw; Snow; Soles; Swindell; Weinstein

Noes: Senator(s): Allran; Apodaca; Berger, P.; Blake; Brock; Brown; Brunstetter; East; Forrester; Goodall; Hartsell; Hunt; Jacumin; Pittenger; Preston; Smith; Stevens; Tillman

Not Voting: Senator(s): Nesbitt Exc. Absence: Senator(s): Bingham

42 posted on 05/16/2007 3:09:24 PM PDT by kcar (Victory is the best exit strategy.)
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To: ncpatriot

Hmm CA, NJ, FL, all are taking up residence here now.

Outside of Asheville it still is very conservative, Asheville is quickly living up to the billing of “San Francisco East”.

Taylor really slipped up in the race against Shuler, from his abortice vote against CAFTA that didn’t register, to his flubbing of a radio debate, to his lack of enthusiasm for campaigning, he literally gave the election to Shuler.

Shuler is a full time cretin.


43 posted on 05/16/2007 3:41:09 PM PDT by padre35 (we are surrounded that simplifies things-Chesty Puller)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
Go to NationalPopularVote.com - and a map will come up that shows every state and the status of this "movement" in each state so yours would be shown there.

Sorry the Dems have taken over there! Was it Republican controlled until 2006? If so, you all can take it BACK with some coordinated effort. Don't stop fighting.

44 posted on 05/16/2007 5:46:28 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: HamiltonJay
"the people of NC should be storming the Senate chambers and dragging the people who voted for this through the streets."

Oh how I would love to see that happen - and to participate! But, alas, I would bet 90% of North Carolinians have NO IDEA this has occurred nor who is behind it nor what result it will bring.

Help get the word out. Can you write good letters? Notify Mark Levin, Bill O'Reilly (he has done a huge piece on Soros, the evil one). My time here is so limited....but the word must get out.

45 posted on 05/16/2007 5:48:41 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Texas Federalist

Do you really think Harold Ickes and George Soros would be pushing a “movement” that would favor the Republicans?


46 posted on 05/16/2007 5:50:16 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Do you really think Harold Ickes and George Soros would be pushing a “movement” that would favor the Republicans?

If the adopted by all states it favors the Dems. But if only the blue states pass it, it clearly favors the Republicans, because the voters in the red states get a say in how the blue states allocate their electoral votes. Soros' view are irrelevant.

47 posted on 05/17/2007 7:27:07 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: Freedom'sWorthIt
Some of them may still be DINOs, but most of them are just waiting for the revolution to begin, and all of them will be on “our” side.
48 posted on 05/17/2007 5:52:10 PM PDT by sarasmom ( The cover of my "Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy" is now flashing "Panic".)
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To: sarasmom

Well that’s good to know. Wish they were voting on our side now......I have siblings like this too.


49 posted on 05/17/2007 6:57:19 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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To: Texas Federalist

Soros is very relevant IMHO. He and Hitlery’s apparatchnik Ickes are nothing less than diabolical and their plan will WORK to their advantage - eventually. The time to stop it is now......not later.


50 posted on 05/17/2007 7:07:25 PM PDT by Freedom'sWorthIt
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