You Decide: 40,000 Fox Viewers Say Who Won GOP Debate (Mitt Romney takes 1st, Ron Paul takes 2nd)

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

You Decide: Viewers Say Who Won Tuesday Night's GOP Presidential Debate
Wednesday, May 16, 2007

FOX News asked you to tell us who you thought won Tuesday night's First-in-the-South Republican Presidential Candidates Primary Debate. With more than 40,000 votes submitted via text message, 29 percent said former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney made the best showing of all 10 GOP presidential hopefuls who made their cases to the American people at the University of South Carolina's Koger Center for the Arts in Columbia, S.C. Texas Rep. Ron Paul, who ignited controversy at the debate with remarks that U.S. policy had invited the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, came in second with 25 percent. Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who strongly admonished Paul for his comments, came in third place with 19 percent. Arizona Sen. John McCain, who is the frontrunner in South Carolina polls, came in sixth with 5 percent.

You Decide GOP Primary Poll Results

• 29% Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney
• 25% Rep. Ron Paul, R-Texas
• 19% Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani
• 8% Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee
• 5% Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif. Hunter
• 4% Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz.
• 3% Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo.
• 1% Sen. Sam Brownback, R-Kan.
• 0% Former Virginia Gov. Jim Gilmore
• 0% Former Wisconsin Gov. Tommy Thompson

The poll was conducted between 9 p.m. EDT, Tuesday, May 15, 2007, and 12:30 a.m. EDT, Wednesday, May 16, 2007. The poll reflects the opinions of those who choose to participate and may not reflect a scientific sampling of the population.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

RON PAUL is the RIGHT Candidate for Pro-Life social conservatives.

• Ron Paul introduced the Sanctity of Life Act of 2005, recognizing the Personhood of every unborn baby and removing Abortion from the jurisdiction of the Supreme Court.
• Ron Paul is rated ZERO percent by the National Abortion Rights Action League.
• Ron Paul is an original co-sponsor of the Marriage Protection Act.
• Ron Paul voted to ban Homosexual adoption in Washington DC.

RON PAUL is the RIGHT Candidate for Tax-Cutting fiscal conservatives.

• Ron Paul is ranked by Human Events as the biggest Tax Cutter in all of Congress. Paul Named #1 Tax Cutter in Congress: “(Paul) is a co-sponsor… of a constitutional amendment to repeal the 16th amendment and end income, gift, and estate taxes. Regularly pushes for tax cuts. Sponsor of bills to allow tax credits for private school tuition, to permit tax deduction of college tuition, and to stop all taxation of Social Security benefits. Opposes all unconstitutional spending programs.”
• Ron Paul has ranked in the 99th percentile of the National Taxpayer Union ratings every year he has been in Congress -- thus standing head and shoulders above his big government Republican rivals like gun-grabber John McCain, transvestite Rudy Giuliani, "Amnesty Sam" Brownback, Mike "Bill Clinton embodies the American Dream" Huckabee, and Pork-Barrel King Duncan Hunter.

RON PAUL is the ONLY 100% Anti-Terrorist candidate.

• The ruling government of Iraq is dominated by the psychopathic gang of murderers known as the Supreme Council for the Islamic Revolution in Iraq (SCIRI) and the Islamic Al Dawa Party, who are the very same Islamic Terrorist Parties which bombed the US & French Embassies in Kuwait, and murdered 241 United States Marines in Beirut in 1983. Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, of the Al Dawa Party, was the Bureau Chief of the Al Dawa Party's terrorist "Jihad Office" in Damascus in the 1980s and was thus heavily responsible for Al Dawa operations in Beirut, while parliament member Jamal Jafaar Mohammed of his ruling coalition is one of the "Kuwait 17", still under a Kuwaiti death sentence (in absentia) for his direct involvement in the vicious attack on the US Embassy in Kuwait! Ron Paul is the ONLY candidate calling for an immediate END to all Military and Financial support for the criminal Islamic Terrorist thug-regime of Iraq.

RON PAUL is the RIGHT Candidate for National Defense and Foreign Affairs.

• Ron Paul voted for the National Missile Defense Act. (source)
• Ron Paul is one of only two co-sponsors of H. Res. 123, for the establishment of a Select Committee on POW/MIA Affairs to "conduct a full investigation of all unresolved matters relating to any United States personnel unaccounted for from the Vietnam era, the Korean conflict, World War II, Cold War Missions, or Gulf War, including MIA's and POW's." (POW-MIA InterNetwork)
• Ron Paul supports a strengthened Coast Guard and increased port security, and increased benefits for veterans.
• Ron Paul advocates United States withdrawal from the United Nations and withdrawal from the World Trade Organization. Says Ron Paul: "We don’t need CAFTA or any other international agreement to reap the economic benefits promised by CAFTA supporters, we only need to change our own harmful economic and tax policies. Let the rest of the world hurt their citizens with tariffs; if we simply reduce tariffs and taxes at home, we will attract capital and see our economy flourish." (source).
• "Ron Paul is one of the outstanding leaders fighting for a stronger national defense. As a former Air Force officer, he knows well the needs of our armed forces, and he always puts them first. We need to keep him fighting for our country." --U.S. President Ronald Reagan

RON PAUL is the RIGHT Candidate for the Bill of Rights.

• "Congress Unanimously Supports Paul Amendment to Protect Civil Liberties"
• Ron Paul is one of only five Congressmen to have an A+ Rating from the Gun Owners of America.
• Ron Paul Denounces National ID Card.

RON PAUL is the RIGHT Candidate on Illegal Immigration.

• Ron Paul voted for the Secure Fence Act of 2006. “Amnesty for lawbreakers is not the answer, and it’s time to rethink birthright citizenship,” Paul added. ("Paul Votes for Stronger Border Security")
• Ron Paul is a co-sponsor of HR 487, which "expresses the sense of Congress that the United States should not engage in the construction of a NAFTA superhighway or enter into any plans to create a North American Union between Canada, the U.S., and Mexico."
• "We need to allocate far more resources, both in terms of money and manpower, to securing our borders and coastlines here at home. This is the most critical task before us, both in terms of immigration problems and the threat of foreign terrorists. Unless and until we secure our borders, illegal immigration and the problems associated with it will only increase." – Ron Paul (source)

RON PAUL is the ONLY socially-conservative Candidate defending the independence of the Christian Church against Federal "Faith-Based Socialism".

• "Government funding of religious organizations will transform them into adjuncts of the federal welfare state, more concerned about obeying federal rules and regulations than fulfilling the obligations of their faith." – Ron Paul (source). Every other so-called "social conservative" candidate actually FAVORS this underhanded Orwellian Federal assault on the Freedom of the Christian Church.

"I got to know President Reagan in 1976 when, as a freshman congressman, I was one of only four members of that body to endorse then-Governor Reagan’s primary challenge to President Gerald Ford. I had the privilege of serving as the leader of President Reagan’s Texas delegation at the Republican convention of 1976, where Ronald Reagan almost defeated an incumbent president for his party’s nomination. I was one of the millions attracted to Ronald Reagan by his strong support for limited government and the free-market. I felt affinity for a politician who based his conservative philosophy on '...a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom.' I wish more of today’s conservative leaders based their philosophy on a desire for less government and more freedom." – Ron Paul, Remembering Ronald Reagan

In 2008, I'm voting for the REAGAN REPUBLICAN. I'm voting for former Vietnam Combat Flight Surgeon, and Leader of Ronald Reagan's Electoral Delegation from Texas: In 2008, I'm Voting for RON PAUL!

"The greatest champion of conservative principles we have seen in Congress in the past quarter century."
(David T. Pyne, Esq., Vice President of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies)

[IslandJeff]

Um, so what did you think? ;)

[nowandlater]

Ron Paul?

I think Ron Paul is capturing the Isolationist, Anti-War wing of the Republican party. I am not sure that will carry him to the nomination though.

[highlander_UW]

I think non-conservatives voted for one of the lesser known candidates to “goof” with the polling results. It’s not scientific in any fashion...they’re just numbers.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Well, Ron Paul's domination of the Internet and the GOP Debates continues.

Now it's time we started "getting out the vote" to make a serious run for the Primaries.

Ron Paul 2008 is getting the Internet "Meet Up" and "Campaign Promo" sections online; good news ahead. But the time is coming when we're going to have to start applying some serious elbow grease and foot leather to get our friends and families registered Republican and voting Ron Paul.

As the Honorable Congressman correctly pointed out:

"You have to realize that the base of the Republican Party shrunk last year because of the war issue, so that percentage represents less people. If you look at 65-70% of the American people, they want us out of there, they want the war over."

"Given a few years, we might be able to pull something off, but nobody thinks we’re going to be given those years. The Surge? Petraeus himself only gave it a 25-percent chance of success when he got the mission, and generals are obliged to be optimistic about such things. Al Qaeda being chased out of Anbar Province? They’ll regroup elsewhere. The Iraqi politicians getting their act together? Right. If my pessimism is justified — and come on: In the long dark watches of the night, you know it is — the only set of candidates worth our scrutiny are the Democrats. For a Republican to win in ’08, he’s going to have to be a credibly anti-war Republican." -- John Derbyshire, National Review

Well, gentlemen -- we don't want a Giuliani Nomination to ruin the Republican Party, and we definitely don't want to lose the White House to the communistic Democrats on the basis of an Iraq War which 65-70% of Americans oppose. It's time to put our boots on the ground, and "get out the vote" for the one Republican which a generally conservative, but overwhelmingly Anti-War American Populace is willing to vote for -- RON PAUL.

65-70% of the American People oppose the continued fiasco of Nation-Building in Iraq. "For a Republican to win in ’08, he’s going to have to be a credibly anti-war Republican."

[Hoosiersailor]

I agree. There is no way Paul did that well. I thought Hunter did great the few times they asked him anything. I was disappointed by the debate. It was the same couple people talking, and I can’t stand any of them. After so much of Rudy and Pual I wanted to throw out my tv. I think that poll is as accurate as the American Idol poll.

[West Coast Conservative]

I think these polls are meaningless because, as they admit themselves:

The poll reflects the opinions of those who choose to participate and may not reflect a scientific sampling of the population.

[NavVet]

Ron Paul’s new campaign slogan.

“9/11...We had it coming.”

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Um, so what did you think? ;)

I text-message Voted for Ron Paul. (big surprise there)

My second choice would be the second "biggest Tax-Cutter in Congress" after Congressman Ron Paul (and the only Presbyterian in the Race), the honorable Congressman Tom Tancredo.

But Fox News only allowed One Vote per Cell Phone; and besides, at this point in the Primaries, I'm not settling for "second best".

[Hoosiersailor]

Maybe the people who took the poll saw a different debate, but Paul for some reason just didn’t sit right with me. There was just something about him that made me not like him. Could have been the garbage spewing from his mouth.

[anymouse]

Once again my Congressman shows why he will never be President.

Who would have thought that a Southern Congressman would get dressed down by a Yankee former Mayor of NEW YORK CITY, at a Republican debate in South Carolina, to thundering applause. And he still refused to stop digging his political grave on the subject of the Iraq war.

[unspun]

Wasn’t Ron Paul defeated some time in the 1930’s.

That’s my take on him.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Ron Paul? I think Ron Paul is capturing the Isolationist, Anti-War wing of the Republican party. I am not sure that will carry him to the nomination though.

And that, unfortunately, is the problem.... winning the GOP Nomination.

The American Populace is at least 65-70% against the Iraq War. It is an albatross around the GOP's neck, which destroyed us in 2006. As John Derbyshire said in National Review, "For a Republican to win in ’08, he’s going to have to be a credibly anti-war Republican."

Unfortunately, many GOP Primary voters are absolutely married to an Iraq War which most American General Election Voters oppose.

If we Nominate Ron Paul, we could win the Generals. But if we don't -- and if the Iraq War continues dragging on without resolution through November 2008 -- we may Nominate a Pro-War Candidate, but lose the White House.

[ASC2006]

911? We had it coming. Vote Ron Paul.

How is that for a campaign slogan. This loser actually managed to piss me off more then Hagel.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Who would have thought that a Southern Congressman would get dressed down by a Yankee former Mayor of NEW YORK CITY, at a Republican debate in South Carolina, to thundering applause. And he still refused to stop digging his political grave on the subject of the Iraq war.

If that's the case... why did Ron Paul CRUSH Giuliani in the 40,000 vote Poll of Fox News Viewers?

I'll take a "loss" like that any day of the week!
We could "lose" that way all the way to the White House!!

[patriciaruth]

Libertarians and DUers spammed the results.

It was obvious to Republicans that Ron Paul cut his throat in denouncing American foreign policy saying that it caused 9/11.

He’s nowhere.

But a lot of anti-war DEMs liked what he had to say and called in.

[Hoosiersailor]

This loser actually managed to piss me off more then Hagel.

Thats pretty hard to do.

[highlander_UW]

That’s what I suspected. I figured one could probably find threads on liberal boards deciding who they were going to vote for to skew the results, but I didn’t care enough to do so.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

But a lot of anti-war DEMs liked what he had to say and called in.

Ron Paul stands for a traditional, non-interventionist, and "humble" Conservative Republican Foreign Policy.

When 65-70% of the American Voting Public is against the Iraq War; when the GOP LOST the House and Senate in 2006 on the basis of the Iraq War (while Ron Paul was re-elected with a bigger Margin of Victory than ever) how do you propose to win the White House -- by Nominating a Pro-Abortion, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Illegal Immigration New York Liberal whose only so-called "strength" is advocating still MORE WAR that most Americans don't want?

"For a Republican to win in ’08, he’s going to have to be a credibly anti-war Republican." -- John Derbyshire, National Review

[Thunder Pig]

Ron Paul ?!?
Not even a remote possibility. I think the eventual nominee isn’t even in the race, on BOTH sides of the aisle.

I believe it will be either Fred or Newt for the GOP.

[Stepan12]

Maybe the people who took the poll saw a different debate, but Paul for some reason just didn’t sit right with me. There was just something about him that made me not like him. Could have been the garbage spewing from his mouth.

I counter protested Cindy Sheehan in 2005 and got involved with an argument with a traitor from the Sheehan's pro terrorist side who said pretty much the same things Ron Paul said.

[Shqipo]

>>>>Libertarians and DUers spammed the results.<<<
—Bingo! There is a Moonbat concerted effort to sway these insta-polls... just look at how well Paul does on the FR non-member poll on this site.

[raygun]

Good for you.

I’ll vote for any U.S. Constitution Party candidates that are on the ballot.

If none are selectable, then I’ll vote for any U.S. Taxpayer Party candidates.

And if none of those are available, then I’ll vote for whatever Libertarian candidate is on the ballot.

Given the foregoing, I’ll write-in before I’ll vote for a Republican.

I refuse to vote for Giulliani/Romney/McCain just to keep Schrillery out of office. Maybe that’s what it takes to wake thes guys up.

I’m done for voting the lesser of two evils. I vote my mind come hell or high water.

[Gnarly]

Ron Paul....when pigs fly!

[The South Texan]

The only thing Ron Paul proved last night is he’s a nut.

To blame America for 9/11 attacks sounded like something you would see on DU or a Micheal Moore film. The fact that some real conservatives here can support him now is scary.

I suspect the DU trolls and Kos Kool Aid Drinkers helped bump Paul’s totals up in that poll.

[raybbr]

And he still refused to stop digging his political grave on the subject of the Iraq war.

Do you really think staying in Iraq is number one on the minds of the conservative base?

It's not in my mind.

[JoeGar]

The poll ... may not reflect a scientific sampling of the population.

No kidding! The poll represents a sample of people, both adults and children, voters and non-voters, who watched the debate, had a cell phone, and bothered to text-message a vote (or votes).

[omnivore]

Ron Paul: First choice of the bold font, underlining, and all-caps crowd.

[GOP_Proud]

ROTFLMAO. I agree. It’s like “doth protest too much”.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Ron Paul ?!? Not even a remote possibility. I think the eventual nominee isn’t even in the race, on BOTH sides of the aisle. I believe it will be either Fred or Newt for the GOP.

If Al Gore decides to announce, I think he can win the Democratic nomination in a walk.

Hillary's popular amongst Democrats, but they know that she's got a "hard ceiling" when 52% of the American Public view her Unfavorably.... and, deep down, most Democrats know that Barack Hussein Obama is "not ready from prime time", just like they know that John Edwards, at the end of the day, really is just a flash-in-the-pan ambulance-chasing Breck Girl.

They'll eventually vote Hillary if that's the "best choice" they've got, hoping to somehow vault her over that 52% Unfavorable rating -- but if Al Gore announces, then fuhgeddaboudit. Whether we Conservatives like to admit it or not, Al Gore is the Candidate who beat George Bush in the Popular Vote. For that matter, Al Gore is the only Democratic Presidential Candidate in the last 30 years to actually win a Majority of the Popular Votes cast amongst Major Party Candidates. I have a very Liberal Democrat friend who expressed it well, I think, when he said: "Al Gore is the only Candidate out there who's Winning by NOT Running. If he does Run -- he's got it."

However, that begs the question -- will he Run?

The same question applies to Fred Thompson as well -- will he Run? If he does, he may just get the "brass ring" -- but time's a wasting. At the rate he's taking his time to make up his mind, we could ALL support Ron Paul for two solid terms as President and still have plenty of time to "Vote Fred" in AD 2016!! (I assume that "Decisiveness" is somewhere on the list of desirable Presidential attributes)...

As for Newt... no chance. Even if by some Miracle he Ran, and by some further Miracle won the GOP Nomination, I don't see any way the GOP can win the Generals in an Anti-War, Anti-GOP climate with the one National Politician whose Unfavorable Ratings are worse than Hillary's. If the GOP nominates Newt, we may as well just write off the Generals; it's over.

On the GOP side, it's either gonna be someone in the current Field, or possibly Fred.
Newt's toast. DOA from Day One.

As always, JMHO

[conserveababe]

And even with all the moonbat votes helping Paul, he still came in second to Romney.

Does opposing the Iraq war make one pro-terrorist? Not necessarily.

Does blaming us for 9-11 make one pro-terrorist? Absolutely.

Ron Paul has shown which side he's on - the terrorists' side.

[visualops]

If that's the case... why did Ron Paul CRUSH Giuliani in the 40,000 vote Poll of Fox News Viewers?

Because alot of people thought it'd be funny and useful to vote for the whack job, so Fox would carry the results and people reading it would think Republicans agree with an idiot like Ron Paul.

You may like his conservative credentials, but having a constitutional approach to government doesn't excuse a dangerous moonbat view of the world. He also is terrible at expressing himself, and went off on tangents, and generally showed himself to be the nutter that he is.

[mathluv]

I think a lot of cut and run dims voted for Paul. He sounded like dennis the menance of the Republican party.

[mathluv]

'When 65-70% of the American Voting Public is against the Iraq War; when the GOP LOST the House and Senate in 2006 on the basis of the Iraq War'

You are buying into the DBM take on the war. The American people may not LIKE the war, but they want to WIN. Paul is like a cut and run dim.

[madmominct]

Absolutely. Ron Paul’s argument against the war shows a fundamental lack of understanding of our enemy. They want to kill us not because we’re over there, but because we EXIST. What an idiot. Reminds me of my lib mother-in-law (may she rest in peace), who, right after 911, said, “Well, what do you expect?” In other words, we deserved it. That’s his argument. Appalling stupidity. I sincerely hope that there aren’t that many people in our country who are equally ignorant.

[Yankee]

When will people learn that these online polls are absolutely meaningless?

It’s like people who post “FREEP THIS POLL” all over this board.

If you can vote 1000 times in a poll it doesn't mean a damned thing.

Ron Paul is the Sanjaya candidate.

Besides, if he thinks we deserved to get hit by the Islamonazis he can go and screw himself.

Yeah, I’m royally pissed off if you haven’t guessed.

And I’m not alone. That room of conservative South Carolinians sat in stunned silence and then erupted in applause when Giuliani bitch-slapped the moron.

[varon]

There was just something about him that made me not like him.

Ditto. He lacks the "likeability" factor.

[Judith Anne]

This thread is interesting, in that it shows clearly the deep corruption of the soul of Ron Paul, who blames the innocent victims of 9/11 for their own deaths.

I spit on Ron Paul.

He could have said a lot of things, and still had my respect, but when I watched him say that the US was responsible for 9/11, he lost me completely forever.

You need to hitch your wagon to another candidate. Ron Paul is excrement.

[WhiteGuy]

Besides, if he thinks we deserved to get hit by the Islamonazis he can go and screw himself.

Perhaps Dr. Paul believes instead that Americans (most of US anyway) are smart enough to know the truth.....

Al-Qaida attacked us because we are involved in the Middle East. Bin Laden's declaration of War against the United States, made in 1996. He cites (1) US Involvement in the Middle East, (2) Palestine, and (3) Sanctions on Iraq as reasons why he has declared war.

[highlander_UW]

When 65-70% of the American Voting Public is against the Iraq War; when the GOP LOST the House and Senate in 2006 on the basis of the Iraq War (while Ron Paul was re-elected with a bigger Margin of Victory than ever) how do you propose to win the White House -- by Nominating a Pro-Abortion, Pro-Gun Control, Pro-Illegal Immigration New York Liberal whose only so-called "strength" is advocating still MORE WAR that most Americans don't want?

2 points here. Firstly, your statistics are the sort of bogus MSM versions...the validity of such numbers are HIGHLY suspect. Secondly, I don't plan on winning the White House by supporting Rudy. I have, in fact, stated in a number of threads that if the republicans decide in their triangulation efforts to reach normally liberal voters by his nomination, they are going to have to account for replacing my vote as I refuse to vote for anyone who believes that genocide of the unborn is some sort of Constitutional right.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Good for you. I’ll vote for any U.S. Constitution Party candidates that are on the ballot. If none are selectable, then I’ll vote for any U.S. Taxpayer Party candidates. And if none of those are available, then I’ll vote for whatever Libertarian candidate is on the ballot. Given the foregoing, I’ll write-in before I’ll vote for a Republican.

A couple of notes about "Third Parties":

Firstly, the "U.S. Taxpayer Party" basically is the Constitution Party, anymore. Virtually all State Affiliates of the U.S. Taxpayer Party voted to join the Constitution Party in 1999.

Secondly, both the 2004 Constitution Party Presidential Candidate, Michael Peroutka, AND the 2004 Libertarian Party Presidential Candidate, Michael Badnarik, have both ALREADY endorsed Ron Paul:

• Peroutka says Ron Paul is the only "American Biblical" Candidate
• Libertarian Badnarik endorses Ron Paul

I understand that you may be getting real sick and tired of the GOP selling you down the river.... so sick of it, you're willing to "write-in before you’ll vote for a Republican".

But I would at least ask you to consider the words of 2004 Libertarian Presidential Nominee Michael Badnarik, when he was challenged by George Phillies (who is running for the 2008 Libertarian Nomination) about supporting a Republican:

...On Friday night, Badnarik endorsed Republican Rep. Ron Paul (Texas) for President in 2008, which excited most people in attendance, but solidly annoyed a vocal few, such as George Phillies, who is vying for the 2008 LP nomination. Phillies, who was in the audience Sunday morning, was visibly upset and asked why Badnarik would cross party lines. "Ron Paul is a Republican," he said. "I don’t care if Ron Paul is a Martian," Badnarik responded. "He is the one person in Washington who understands the Constitution, the one person I trust implicitly." (Badnarik answers charge of abandoning party)

In my humble opinion -- we can all vote Constitution Party later, if Rudy Giuliani wins the GOP Nomination. I know I will -- I will never vote for a Pro-Abort, whether it's Giuliani the Republican or Phillies the Libertarian. I will NOT vote for a Pro-Abort; not now, not ever, no matter what.

But now is not the time to run up the white flag on the Republican Party. Not until "Super Tuesday", at least. When BOTH the Constitutionals AND the Libertarians have ALREADY endorsed Ron Paul for President, I think it's time we applied elbow grease and shoe leather and "get out the vote" for the last true Reagan Republican -- Ron Paul.

As always, JMHO.

[shekkian]

Ron Paul ain’t no Republican. He’s a Libertarian, and he should stick with that party.

[perez24]

Good point about “FREEP THIS POLL” messages. It might be fun but it renders polls meaningless.

[383rr]

“Perhaps Dr. Paul believes instead that Americans (most of US anyway) are smart enough to know the truth.....”

Mr Paul would be sadly mistaken. Look around.

[Yankee]

Goebbels was a doctor too.

So was Mengele.

Putting Dr. in front of his name doesn’t change my mind.

He’s an asshole.

And thanks for the cheap putdown, smart guy.

[tiger-one]

Based on the first and second place winners, I’d say the poll is JUNK. Flush it down the drain.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

This thread is interesting, in that it shows clearly the deep corruption of the soul of Ron Paul, who blames the innocent victims of 9/11 for their own deaths. I spit on Ron Paul. He could have said a lot of things, and still had my respect, but when I watched him say that the US was responsible for 9/11, he lost me completely forever. You need to hitch your wagon to another candidate. Ron Paul is excrement.

Ron Paul NEVER "blamed the innocent victims of 9/11 for their own deaths". I watched every minute of the Debate, and those EXACT words were spoken by the Fox News Moderator in the form of a question -- NOT by Ron Paul.

What Ron Paul said was this:

“They attack us because we’ve been over there. We’ve been bombing Iraq for 10 years... We’ve been in the Middle East... Right now, we’re building an embassy in Iraq that is bigger than the Vatican. We’re building 14 permanent bases. What would we say here if China was doing this in our country or in the Gulf of Mexico? We would be objecting.

I believe the CIA is correct when it warns us about "blowback". We overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and their taking the hostages was the reaction. This dynamic persists and we ignore it at our risk. They’re not attacking us because we’re rich and free, they’re attacking us because we’re over there."

Ron Paul NEVER blamed the U.S. for 9/11, any more than warning unattended young women to stay out of the "bad sections" of town after dark is "blaming the victim". It's not "blaming the victim", it's just Good Common Sense to stay out of a violent, irrational snake pit.

Ron Paul was the only Candidate on that stage who was willing to honestly look at the Motivations of our Enemy (hint: they don't "hate us because we're free". That's Propaganda pablum for Idiots). If you are unwilling to examine the Motivations of your Enemy, you deny yourself the wisdom of the greatest military strategist of all time:

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle. — Sun Tzu, The Art of War -- Source: Ron Paul gains support in second GOP debate

Telling an unattended young woman to stay out of the "bad sections" of town at night is not "blaming the victim" -- it's just Good Common Sense.
Think about it.

OP

[Hoodat]

RON PAUL is also the only Democrat in the Republican race.

[Sybeck1]

Ron Paul doesn’t seem to want America to be the lone superpower of the world.

[OrthodoxPresbyterian]

Ron Paul ain’t no Republican. He’s a Libertarian, and he should stick with that party.

Ron Paul was the LEADER of Ronald Reagan's Electoral Delegation from the great State of Texas. It doesn't GET any more Conservative Republican than THAT!

I don't know what Neo-Conservative, Nation-Building, "Big Government Compassionate Conservative" Party YOU belong to -- but I am a REAGAN Republican!!

"I got to know President Reagan in 1976 when, as a freshman congressman, I was one of only four members of that body to endorse then-Governor Reagan’s primary challenge to President Gerald Ford. I had the privilege of serving as the leader of President Reagan’s Texas delegation at the Republican convention of 1976, where Ronald Reagan almost defeated an incumbent president for his party’s nomination. I was one of the millions attracted to Ronald Reagan by his strong support for limited government and the free-market. I felt affinity for a politician who based his conservative philosophy on '...a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom.' I wish more of today’s conservative leaders based their philosophy on a desire for less government and more freedom." – Ron Paul, Remembering Ronald Reagan

In 2008, I'm voting for the REAGAN REPUBLICAN. I'm voting for former Vietnam Combat Flight Surgeon, and Leader of Ronald Reagan's Electoral Delegation from Texas: In 2008, I'm Voting for RON PAUL!

"The greatest champion of conservative principles we have seen in Congress in the past quarter century."
(David T. Pyne, Esq., Vice President of the National Federation of Republican Assemblies)