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To: Jeff Gordon; RussP
No exhaustive efforts are required. (respecting the ‘abuses’ of the Laughlin quote) Just use the Google searach term:

Oh, good. A misapprehension entirely of my fault, I’m sure. I was under the impression there was a veritable Google sea of misapplied quotes of Dr. Laughlin’s out there, much like the wave after wave of broomsticks carrying buckets of water in The Sorcerer’s Apprentice, each one (the quotes, not the broomsticks) requiring analysis of the context in which it was used, to determine whether or not it was a genuine instance of being out-of-context.

Speaking of which:

Laughlin's quote does not endorse ID. Gilder uses (abuses) Laughlin's quote to support ID.

Non-responsive, Sir. I asked, “Do you (in this context) equate ‘endorsement’ with ‘support’?” Just in case there is any confusion, that question was a request for clarification. Repeating an assertion does not clarify. It may well be that it fits your purpose to remain suitably vague. That is your prerogative, and that is fine. In either case I shall have had my answer.

Neither have you thrown any light on why you cite the use of Laughlin quotes on Google, which you condemn as abusive, but then explicitly exempt RussP’s use of the quote from that general category. If RussP is exempt, why are these other quotes included in your discussion with him?

Now it develops in your last message that the use of the quote you cite as being abusive comes not from all of Googleland but from but one person (Gilder). So, is it merely Gilder v RussP? Was there a wider context, which you’ve now chosen to narrow? As before, it is your prerogative to answer, just as it is my prerogative to raise these troublesome issues.

112 posted on 05/25/2007 3:38:05 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS; RussP
“Do you (in this context) equate ‘endorsement’ with ‘support’?

No. The words have different meanings. This is why I used two different words rather than one word. To further clarify my intended communication:

Dr Laughlin's quote neither supports nor endorses ID. Gilder abuses Dr. Laughlin's quote to both support and endorse ID.

explicitly exempt RussP’s use of the quote from that general category

I said that "each and every" Google reference to the quote uses the quote to support ID. The "each and every" would not be correct unless I exempted to the two Google references created by RussP.

I have exempted RussP because he has stated that he is not using Dr. Laughlin's quote to support or endorse ID. While he did bring up the quote in a thread about ID, I have to take him at his word. He said he is mearly quoting Dr. Laughlin because he read it somewhere and liked it. He said he read it somewhere other than from Gilder thus further dissociating himself from the use of the quote to support or endorse ID. Finally, his use of the quote on his web page does, indeed, stand alone and aside from any discussion of ID.

RussP: If my conclusion is not correct If you really are using the quote to endorse or support ID, please feel free to correct me. If RussP does say I am mistaken then I will revise my mistake and remove the RussP exclusion from the "each and every" statement about the Google references.

113 posted on 05/25/2007 5:25:57 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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