Posted on 05/16/2007 1:57:14 PM PDT by malibu2008
Edited on 05/16/2007 2:32:56 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Speaking to reporters on his way to Brazil, Pope Benedict has backed Mexican bishops who have threatened excommunication for parliamentarians who voted to legalise abortion in Mexico City.
The Age reports that the Pope was responding to a reporter's question whether he supported Mexican Church leaders threatening to excommunicate leftist parliamentarians who last month voted to legalise abortion in Mexico City.
"Yes, this excommunication was not an arbitrary one but is allowed by Canon (church) law which says that the killing of an innocent child is incompatible with receiving communion, which is receiving the body of Christ," he said.
"They (Mexican Church leaders) did nothing new, surprising or arbitrary. They simply announced publicly what is contained in the law of the Church... which expresses our appreciation for life and that human individuality, human personality is present from the first moment (of life)".
Under Church law, someone who knowingly does or backs something which the Church considers a grave sin, such as abortion, inflicts what is known as "automatic excommunication" on themselves.
The Pope said parliamentarians who vote in favour of abortion have "doubts about the value of life and the beauty of life and even a doubt about the future".
I find it difficult to take you seriously when you don’t know the difference between “your” and “you’re”.
Rudy is not a Catholic? So? Have we now became a non secular country? Is the official religion of the USA Now Catholicism? (Rhetorical questions)
Please allow me to add to this.
The Pope recently said, “unfettered capitalism and Globalization were creating a wider divide between the rich and poor”
Thru the many international business ventures including, his partnership in Bracewell/Guiliani LLC, one would assume Rudy is a Globalist. (strike 4?) and there’s more.
therefore Giuliani is still a Catholic.
Rudy is irrelevant to me.
No. According to the Catholic Church he is still married to his last wife and he is living as an adulterer with his new "wife".
So he has sort of excommunicated himself.
That's the way it usually happens. The Church didn't leave Rudy, he left the Church.
Pope John Paul’s 1995 encyclical on bioethics, Evangelium Vitae. When outlawing abortion is politically impossible, the pope held, a politician could vote for a law that permits some abortions, if it’s the most restrictive result feasible and the alternative would be a more liberal standard.
When it is not possible to overturn or completely abrogate a pro-abortion law, an elected official, whose absolute personal opposition to procured abortion was well known, could licitly support proposals aimed at limiting the harm done by such a law and at lessening its negative consequences at the level of general opinion and public morality,” the pope wrote. “This does not in fact represent an illicit cooperation with an unjust law, but rather a legitimate and proper attempt to limit its evil aspects.”
So do the following: Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, probably other politicians. Mitt Romney, Bob Bennett and Orin Hatch...all pretty straight up Americans...really can't say that for Kennedy or Kerry.
Nice try. Rudy’s done neither. Cheers.
This seems to support Evangelium Vitae.
>> “Shouldn’t you have posted this under the Religion topic?”
> No, this is an action topic.
No, this is a thread for radical Catholics.
> Please read the first sentence of my Post #13.
No, Giuliani’s orthodoxy is irrelevant to mainstream voters.
I will believe this when I see it. The Catholic Church’s official position for years has been disfellowship/excommunication for those supporting abortion - yet I have seen ZERO cases where the church has followed through.
“Now people are just makin’ stuff up.
We’ve had a pro-life President for seven years now. Abortion must be illegal now, huh? What? You mean it isn’t?
Why is this an issue that matters then?”
President Bush is president - not a king.
He picked two originalist for SCOTUS, and we just need one more.
Now about Giuliani:
I don’t trust him to pick pro-life, conservative judges, because presidents always at least TRY to pick a nominee that matches their ideology.
Even Rudy admitted this when he said:
“Presidents, going back to the beginning of the republic, generally appoint people on the Supreme Court that they believe agree with them.”
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,163223,00.html
Republican Big-Wigs Support Pro-Abortion Event in NY
Pro-abortion Governor George Pataki and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, who also supports unrestricted abortion, are co-chairs of the 2000 Choice Award Presentation to be held on May 30 at the St. Regis Hotel in New York City. The event is sponsored by the Republican Pro-Choice Coalition, a group that is campaigning for the removal of the pro-life plank from the Republican National Platform. They will honor the late Senator John Chafee, a pro-abortion advocate who was one of four Republican Senators who voted against banning partial birth abortions. A guest speaker is Senator Lincoln Chafee, who shares the former Senator’s views and is running for the seat to which he was appointed after the death of his father.
http://www.rnclife.org/faxnotes/2000/may00/00-05-05.html
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He was then asked whether he supports a ban on what critics call partial-birth abortions. “No, I have not supported that, and I don’t see my position on that changing,” he responded.
Source: CNN.com, “Inside Politics” Dec 2, 1999
http://www.issues2000.org/Celeb/Rudy_Giuliani_Abortion.htm
Oh, a Catholic bigot and a Rudybot, ‘nuf said.
ping
Well an excommunication takes so many words.
You fooled me since you posted on a Rudy thread.
I find him to be a joke.
I need a laugh now and then too!
I would NEVER vote for someone like THAT.
“So do the following: Ted Kennedy and John Kerry, probably other politicians. Mitt Romney, Bob Bennett and Orin Hatch...all pretty straight up Americans...really can’t say that for Kennedy or Kerry.”
“all pretty straight up Americans”
Thanks for the laugh!
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