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Posted on 05/16/2007 10:25:05 PM PDT by Cacique

Many of you who know me from either my pings or past posts and FReeps may know that I do not post that often since I have been here. But recent events and what appears to be a penchant by the elites to ram changes in law and the constitution down our throats, regardless of the fact that most Americans oppose such changes has prompted me to write this about an issue I think is critical to the both the long term and short term future of this country. I am of course speaking of that farce in the senate under the guise of reform, but which is in reality a mass amnesty for people who are here illegally. Many who arguably mean to do harm to this country.

To begin with, I feel I must tell you a bit about myself and my credentials on this subject so that you understand why I urge you to act now.

I am a legal immigrant to this country who arrived here on my 10th birthday with my parents in April of 1962. I was born in Latin America and I am tri-lingual and fluent in all three languages I speak. Spanish is of course one of them. Things were different way back then, at least as far as immigration laws were concerned. My parents and I had to wait several years to be given permission to emigrate here. At that time I had both an Uncle and an Aunt living in the Unites States, a sister and a brother of my mother's. It was her wish to join them that convinced my father to move here although initially he was against it. Since there was no family reunification at the time he had to get someone else to vouch for him (so he wouldn't become a vagrant dependent on the state) and obtain employment before coming here before he would even be allowed to emigrate. My father should have had an edge due to the fact that he had served with US forces during World War II under the command of US officers in what were then known as "Slavonic" Divisions. None of that mattered, he had to stand in line like everyone else.

This picture was taken sometime in 1944, possibly on leave in London. My father is the guy on the right.

I could bore you with more details but I simply bring these things up as a reference point to what follows.

I am a political scientist by training a PhD Candidate at the CUNY graduate Center, otherwise known as an ABD. I have been involved in numerous political campaigns starting with Giuliani's first run for mayor (a race he lost to Dinkins). I have run assembly campaigns, a US Senate campaign and a US Congressional campaign. I have been active in politics for all of my adult life and have traveled the ideological road from being a committed Marxist and Stalinist in my College years to being a staunch conservative republican today. I think I know a thing or two about politics and what makes both people on the left and the right tick.

I am familiar with Latin culture not only from an academic perspective, but also from an interactive one, as I interact with all my fellow Latinos each and very day. I know what they think and I know what their attitudes are as they will tell me things they will not tell outsiders. a couple of years ago I posted a piece by Sam Huntington that I believe is a must read by all here.

Fast forward to the present and I currently live in a section in Brooklyn, New York that is by all accounts a major focus of illegal immigrants. Mostly from Mexico, Ecuador and San Salvador with a sprinkling of Dominicans and even Chinese illegals.

Very briefly I will tell you that if there is an amnesty in this country America as we know will cease to exist in less than a generation. I am totally dismayed that many countries in the West have opted to commit national suicide and we seem to have decided to join them.

The elites in Washington have decided that their short term interests trump the long term interests of the nation. The issue of immigration is NOT a democratic or republican issue. IT IS a national issue. The supporters of amnesty have narrow interests that are either economic or political short term interests without having given any thought whatsoever. The crowd in Washington goes to the same clubs, eats in the same restaurants, live in gated communities and socialize with other members of the financial and political elites. Any negative impacts on the society at large they tend to be immune from. It is clear there is a faction that is hell bent on depressing wages and attract cheap manual labor in order to compete with third world hellholes. At the same time the catholic church is salivating at the prospect of filling the pews and collection baskets in their churches. The activists in the democratic party are salivating at the prospect of another underclass they can control and exploit. All these forces have coalesced to bring about the present situation. Polls have been consistent in that over 68% of american voters oppose amnesty to illegal immigrants. Over 60% of union households oppose amnesty. Yet the elites are in total disconnect with this because they have decided the public can do nothing to stop them and will likely not do anything to penalize them later. What matters to them is the fact that corporate donors who fund their campaigns have made no bones about the fact that they want an amnesty, or more precisely they demand one.

A few myths

The excuses to support amnesty are many and varied. One is that most of these hispanics are family oriented and will become conservative. The real fact is that most illegals come from the poverty stricken lower classes. Many have relationships and children out of wedlock. The catholicism they practice is much closer to the "liberation theology" variant which is nothing more than Marxism with a God. They bring with them a deep class resentment of not only the wealthy but the middle classes and a racist resentment of whites. Latin American Christianity is also a heavy admixture of traditional pre-colombian gods and elements and would be totally unrecognizable to catholics here. The church pretends all these people are catholics so they can claim their numbers.

Democrats have a delusion that they will be able to manipulate them and garner their votes. Activists in their community are very much aware of this. Most latin american marxists are much closer to the stalinist type than the fashionista left in this country who is leftist because it's the fashion of their peers. Latinos who are marxists, are committed doctrinaire marxists much closer to the Cuban or North Korean model. They have little use for rich white kids who want to be weekend revolutionaries. They also understand that they have a greater chance of projecting power and influence if they keep their communities in control and separate. I had expected them to demand schools exclusively in spanish but they were beaten by the muslims by a hair here in brooklyn. The Madrasa in brooklyn may have been delayed but it is only a matter of time before the demands will surface again. Accusations of cultural imperialism and racism will be lodged against those that demand they assimilate. The "community leaders" know full well that any assimilation is a dilution of their power, therefore they will promote the opposite.

Any comparisons between immigrants of today and those of yesteryear are irrelevant. They were different times and the world was quite different. In 1900 an immigrant to America came on a one way trip, he knew he was not going back. Entire villages collected money for the trip to send one of their own. Passage meant at least a year's wages even in steerage. Today's immigrant is a cheap plane ticked and a few hours away from home. He arrives to a country where he can feel at home in an insular community where his language is spoken. There are radio and television stations available in his own language as well as newspapers and magazines. Mass communications means he is just a phone call away from speaking to his friends back home. The economies of scale make all of this possible in today's world. Today's immigrant is helped by modern technology to feel like he is home in any community of his compatriots abroad. And should he feel homesick it takes only a couple of week's wages and a plane ticket to return home for a visit. None of these things were available to the immigrant a century ago. Another difference is that the immigrant of a century ago came mostly from Western countries to another western country the main difference being the food and language from where he came from.

Latin America is nominally Western. The western portion resides in the main cities and among the educated. In most countries with the possible exception of Argentina and Brazil the indigenous cultures that were found by the conquistadores still exist in stark contrast to what one finds in the cities. It is those who are predominantly the "mojados" that one finds in this country, not the country club upper class that Bush hob nobs with.

Two things happened in Spain in 1492. One was the trip by Cristobal Colon. The other was the final conquest of Andalus. The inquisition was organized mainly to reconvert all those souls who were under islam for 700 years. The result is that many of the conquistadores who came here were a generation away from being muslims. They brought with them a world view much closer to islam than the view of a sophisticated catholic from Italy. The concepts of machismo, guerra sin cuarto, Caudillismo etc. are elements from the islamic period that remained a part of spanish culture in Latin America. There are a lot of parallels between Latin American culture in it's conservatism and what one would find in the middle east. This is something that needs to be kept in mind.

Assimilation is not a guaranteed phenomenon. We have currently numerous groups that have as yet not assimilated even though they have been here for over a century. I can think of the Hasidic jews for starters, or the Amish, or perhaps the Hutterites. The only difference is that their theology has nothing in it that compels them to try to conquer our lands and convert us.


I don't think I need to write much on the birth rate factor. One can search all over the net to see the statistics. Muslims and illegals are the fastest reproducing segment of the population. As the population shifts and new groups become more numerous the power center will shift. The losers? Indigenous american indians, caucasians and blacks.

There is the lie that there are only 12 million illegals in this country. That number keeps getting thrown around as if is gospel. The fact is that we have no clue how many are here. If one takes the estimate that ten years ago there were 10,000 crossings a day at the border and extrapolates 3.5 million illegals a year then we can rest assured the 12 million figure is totally wrong. It could be as high as 35 million or even as high as 70 million. Do a search on the web and you will see that all the claims could be valid. remember the last amnesty in 1984? I do. We were promised that they would secure the borders, that the amnesty would mean that fewer people would come and that we would enforce immigration laws. Of course it was all naive and a pipe dream. Think this amnesty will stop more people coming? You haven't seen anything yet. Once people all over the world get wind of what a bunch of chumps we are they will come over in droves like we have never seen. You can't feed a crocodile and expect it to be satisfied with a morsel.

The losers

So who will lose if there's amnesty? Oddly enough most of the big losers are part of the grand democratic coalition. Union workers, their leaders only see more members, the rank and file will fall to depressed wages and downward pressures in their standard of living. Blacks will lose influence as a group and will be played off against the emerging mexican hispanic power block. Their population which reached a peak of 14% of the population is in decline and will continue to decline as illegals have more children. Women will find that the male dominated culture of machismo and the misogynist muslim outlook will make for interesting times in the future. Gays will find much less tolerance among Latinos and Muslims for their lifestyle, even from the left. They ought to get an idea at how gays are treated in Cuba to get a hint. The middle class as always will face increasing taxation to pay for all the programs and services that will be demanded by the new majorities. The elderly will find that most of the new workers brought in to prop up the welfare state will have little tolerance to pay for those on the retirement dole. That will have implications in the near future. Other hispanics, in particular Puerto Ricans and Dominicans who will find themselves elbowed out by the Mexicans. This phenomenon is already happening in the hispanic caucus and other national hispanic organizations where the divisions among hispanics are coming into the open. For many hispanics who are second and third generation americans the honeymoon is begriming to come to an end. Jews will find perhaps a rise in anti semitism. Latin America is home to a particularly virulent form that rears it's ugly head quite often. Ingrained in Spanish catholicism and fed by marxist solidarity for arabs it will always be there under the surface. Republicans and Conservatives we will be the biggest losers in this game. Most of the activists among the Mecha and Aztlan types are already forging alliances with radicals in the muslim community. We may get a few new republicans from these new immigrants, but the reality is that the class and race hatred that many of them bring with them will likely be passed on to new generations as they are in most groups.

The next stage

I could go on and write a dissertation on the subject, but that is not my purpose nor is there time for that. One side argues that we can;'t get rid of all illegals in this country. I believe they are wrong. They don't want to get rid of the illegals here. There was a time not long ago, about 15 years ago that New York was home to one of the largest communities of illegal Irish immigrants. It was estimated at the time there were upwards of half a million illegal irish immigrants in New York. An interesting thing happened though. It was the Irish miracle, the economy took a turn North and opportunities were everywhere. The result is that almost all of those half million illegals returned home. It was a matter of incentive. If you make it difficult for illegals to work in this country and punish those who hire them I guarantee you will see the phenomenon repeated again.

What is to be done?


In 1902 V.I. Lenin published a pamphlet entitled "What is To Be Done?" it was a blueprint for his political ideas on taking power. In a way, we need our own approach to this problem. The issue of immigration is an issue that affects all of us in a very likely negative way far beyond our political ideologies if we are Americans. We need to reach out and awaken all those groups that do not currently see the urgency but who will be adversely affected by the coming changes. We need a coalition of the unlikely.

We need to reach out to rank and file workers, both union and outside. This has to be a grassroots mobilization made up of individuals rather than a national organization. American Hispanics born here must understand that they are about to be elbowed out and will lose bug time. Gays must understand that if they think Jerry Falwell was bad for them, they haven't seen intolerance yet. Women must understand that any gains they may have had with regards to the workplace and society can be swept away just as easily as they have been put in place. Jews must understand that the rising anti semitism will get worse, not better.

A postage stamp an envelope and e-mail


In politics as in economics, perception is reality. The level of commitment by an opponent is gauged by his determination and how much he is willing to invest in opposing something. The anti-amnesty crowd has not been very successful because they have been disorganized and have been painted as racists and bigots as the Minutemen have. You cannot give them a target to latch onto. Responding to such attacks gives only credence to the attacker. This has to be totally a citizen to citizen uprising. If you know other Hispanics who oppose amnesty contact the. Have Black friends? Explain to them how they stand to lose out (they know already) start networking. Call all your acquaintances and friends and send them e-mails. Fear is a great motivator, it is the one thing that moves people to action and motivates them to show up at the polls.

DO NOT JUST SEND EMAILS TO YOUR CONGRESSMAN OR SENATOR. For the most part they get deleted as spam and don't have much impact. It also shows a lack of commitment and that you are lazy. INSTEAD INVEST IN POSTAGE STAMPS. There is nothing more impressive than postal service trucks showing up at congress with bags full of envelopes with paper mail.

USE THE PHONES, CALL AND CLOG THEIR LINES. ONA CELLPHONE A CALL TO WASHINGTON IS A LOCAL CALL. Faxes are a waste of time. There is a physical limit to how many faxes a fax machine can receive.

FReerepublic is the right place to start this. But we must reach out from beyond our narrow confines. Beyond conservatives, beyond republicans, beyond democrats.

Do this as if your future depends on it, because it does.

Do this as if your children's future depends on it, because it does.

Do this as if the nation's future depends on it, because it does.





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To: kabar
The Coming Great Divide in America

51 posted on 05/17/2007 12:10:15 AM PDT by happygrl (Dunderhead for HONOR)
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To: Cacique

Both my senators, Dole and Burr, are for total amnesty and open borders. But I will call and call and call...

52 posted on 05/17/2007 12:19:18 AM PDT by rrrod
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To: Cacique

THANK YOU for a very informative post.

53 posted on 05/17/2007 12:20:18 AM PDT by c-b 1 (Reporting from behind enemy lines, in occupied AZTLAN.)
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To: kabar

“The legal immigration reform I am referring to has to do with chain migration and how we select people to come into the country. Canada has a points system that is used to bring in the skills and talents the country needs. We need to adopt something similar and get away from chain migration.”

Agreed. Since abortion is taking away from a steady workforce, we have to have a more merit-based legal immigration system. Canada isn’t entirely based on merit.

I think fundamentally we have to have people that come-in when industries have wage excessively rising ie far past inflation. Our baby-boomers are retiring, and it would be better if we had a productive class to replace them. Not low-skilled workers whom benefit from our progressive policies.

54 posted on 05/17/2007 12:22:45 AM PDT by Rick_Michael (Fred Thompson)
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To: Cacique

Great post.

55 posted on 05/17/2007 12:23:06 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Cacique

FR bookmark , & read

56 posted on 05/17/2007 12:28:10 AM PDT by Dad yer funny (FoxNews is morphing , and not for the better ,... internal struggle? Its hard to watch)
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To: Cacique

ok...I will start writing letters to my reps...good idea. Emails are too easily ignored and deleted.

57 posted on 05/17/2007 12:30:45 AM PDT by fabian
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To: Cacique
It's game over.

One of the conditions that the 'cabal' made with the rulers of the then collapsing USSR was that we would take steps to bring this nation down to the level of oh say Portugal?

What easier way than to bring in 130 million Third world Peasants who have no education or even loyalty to this nation.

Before anyone calls tin foil hat on this ask yourself why Bush is bringing in so many people whose historic voting pattern is for tax and spend Democrats?

Ya we all got sucked in with his tax cuts and BS, but history will show the Bush clan destroyed what was once a great nation. Of course they will rationalize it as there is no more USSR, we don't need to be strong.

They also feel China will always remain a trade partner and will succumb to the benefits of capitalism where they will make more money. That's why Dubya kowtowed to China when they grabbed our P-3 Navy plane.

58 posted on 05/17/2007 12:46:36 AM PDT by investigateworld (The BP guys will do more Prison Time than the Worst Jap POW camp commander,thanks W)
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To: Cacique

thanks, bfl

59 posted on 05/17/2007 1:35:29 AM PDT by neverdem (May you be in heaven a half hour before the devil knows that you're dead.)
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To: Cacique

You can’t stop it. You couldn’t stop Nafta or Gatt. You couldn’t get anybody to listen about term limits.

Why should immigration be any different?

60 posted on 05/17/2007 3:16:53 AM PDT by djf (Skulz wurk gud! My last Wopper was purfict!)
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To: neverdem

Cromwell hung the traitors in Parliment. We need to hold a mail order lymch party. I will use fedex to my two senators and rep.

61 posted on 05/17/2007 3:28:03 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Cacique
Thanks for taking the time to write this up and for sharing details of your personal story.

I had already intended to write to my Congressman and my Senators today but this just adds more impetus to that effort. I also intend to write the RNC and let them know this issue may put them out of business with me and a lot of other voters.

I agree that US Mail is the way to go, since it is very easy to ignore emails or turn off the fax machine. For their 41 cents, USPS will deliver every single letter and, money hungry SOBs that they are, the staff will have to open them because there might be a donation in them.

In fact, I intend to include a check for very small amount of money (say $0.10) and will warn them that I intend to check their campaign filings with the FEC to ensure that they report it properly. Imagine the attention that say...10,000 letters of complaint will get if each one of them has to be individually processed because they had a small amount of money in them. I’m still researching what the minimum contribution is but given our new Congressional leadership’s emphasis on ethics it may be a low as $0.01.

Although deporting all of them might be emotionally appealing, the law of unintended consequences applies. (Like those one industry small communities in the South that are undergoing major economic problems because ICE raids scared away their significant illegal immigrant worker populations.) Maybe a better approach is to make sure that any “grace” that is extended to regularize the status of illegal immigrants can’t possibly be mistaken for amnesty. Sort of a strong welcoming pat on the back by a hand wrapped in barbed wire.

Here are a couple of things I am going to suggest:

- Every illegal immigrant and any children must immediately and personally turn themselves in to the ICE.
- Immediate formal apprehension, processing, and, after a wanted and warrants check, parole by ICE.
- Appropriations to properly staff and fund ICE operations to accomplish surge processing.
- Must carry parole papers with them at all time and present them on demand to law enforcement officials.
- Full, voluntary, and complete disclosure and taxation of all financial and employment activity since arriving illegally.
- Future full compliance with all US laws (federal, state, local).
- Strict lifetime residency reporting requirements.
- Very painful fine structure (not $5,000 - a minimum of $25,000).
- No citizenship for border jumpers (permanent resident status only).
- No public office holding (elected or appointed) for border jumpers.
- No public policy office holding for border jumpers.
- Citizenship for their US born children only upon reaching adulthood with an acceptable police record (i.e. minor traffic tickets okay but no drugs, major crime and gangs)
- End of the “notch baby” effect for other family members.
- Immediate deportation without further judicial proceeding for violating any of these provisions.
- And last but not least, really huge fines and mandatory jail time for any company employing unparoled illegal aliens.

62 posted on 05/17/2007 4:11:40 AM PDT by Captain Rhino ( Dollars spent in India help a friend; dollars spent in China arm an enemy.)
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To: Cacique
The time to stop amnesty was last November. The Democrats won the election because Republican leaning districts saw those who vote choose Democrats. When you are in the minority you cannot control legislation. Not all Republicans are conservative but there are no other conservatives in the Congress except Republicans.
63 posted on 05/17/2007 4:24:59 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: abigailsmybaby

Oh, you mean the Democrats that the libs elected; you expect calling them will accomplish something ? The time to act is in elections.

64 posted on 05/17/2007 4:26:17 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (Waiting for Samson)
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To: rrrod

The first thing I did this morning was e-mail my senators. I then went on to read that one of mine Saxby Chambliss is one of the hold outs, he will not go along with this travesty. I guess he reads his own website.

Of the following issues, which do you think is most urgent in Georgia?


Illegal Immigration:


Health Care:

Economic Development:


4813 total votes

At least he knows where I stand. This is absolutely making me sick to my stomach.

65 posted on 05/17/2007 4:33:03 AM PDT by panthermom (DUNCAN HUNTER 2008)
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To: pissant
The best way to stop this in its tracks is to elect Duncan HUnter in 2008.

We can't wait until 2008.

66 posted on 05/17/2007 4:38:56 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: Cacique

Thank you.

67 posted on 05/17/2007 5:06:53 AM PDT by Cornpone (Islam: The world's greatest, preventable and treatable psychosis. ©2006Cornpone)
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To: af_vet_1981; djf

We simply cannot afford complacency. 68% tells me it’s not just conservatives or democrats who oppose amnesty. The elites see we aren’t making any noise. They interpret that as apathy about the issue. Only sheep give up without a fight. Politics is about more than just elections.

68 posted on 05/17/2007 5:29:08 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

Thanks for the post.

It is imperative that calls be made before the vote on Monday

Senate Amnesty / Guestworker Debate Delayed until May 21
(May 17) Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) delayed until May 21 the cloture vote on the motion to proceed to S. 1348, immigration legislation very similar to last year’s Senate-passed amnesty bill (S. 2611). The vote was delayed to buy Senators more time to negotiate a “compromise” bill and draft its language

69 posted on 05/17/2007 5:47:06 AM PDT by Sherri
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To: Cacique


71 posted on 05/17/2007 5:58:23 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ANWR would be supplying us today if the Democrats had voted for it in 1997)
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To: F15Eagle

Thank you for the bump.

72 posted on 05/17/2007 6:03:41 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: HiJinx; Cacique; All

Thanks for the ping; great post; great thread.

73 posted on 05/17/2007 6:06:32 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: VeniVidiVici

Thank you

74 posted on 05/17/2007 6:07:58 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: kabar

And you think Fred Thompson would be better than Duncan Hunter? If amnesty is defeated, who on the horizon would you choose to be the next president of the United States?

75 posted on 05/17/2007 6:10:46 AM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: Cacique


This is a great article...

76 posted on 05/17/2007 6:42:18 AM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: Admin Moderator

Can you please place this in News/Activism/Chapters where it was originally intended for? Thank you.

77 posted on 05/17/2007 6:46:03 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique


78 posted on 05/17/2007 6:54:56 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Dante3

Thanks for the bump

79 posted on 05/17/2007 7:01:15 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: Cacique

Thank you for the heads up. Wrote, stamped and mailed to Baird, Murray and Cantwell this morning, for what it’s worth.

80 posted on 05/17/2007 7:26:14 AM PDT by Paperdoll
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To: elizabetty; Cacique
Stamped Letters to Congress take forever to get there due to terrorism screenings. They will not get there fast enough. A telephone call is most effective.

Cacique, thank you so much for taking the time to write this post. I will get in touch with my Congresscritters right away.

On the mail issue, AFAIK the screening goes on only for mail sent to offices in D.C. The best thing is to both call and send letters to your representatives' local office.

81 posted on 05/17/2007 7:27:39 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: Cacique

Good post! BTTT

82 posted on 05/17/2007 7:36:46 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: kabar

“We are sowing the seeds of our own destruction.”

Exactly right!

I support Tom Tancredo, since he is the only candidate that fully understands the Immigration and the invasion problems.

83 posted on 05/17/2007 7:44:40 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: Paperdoll
And you think Fred Thompson would be better than Duncan Hunter?

I don't know what Fred Thompson's position is on immigration. He hasn't thrown his hat in the ring. I like Hunter's position on illegal immigration, but he needs to say more about what he will do to change legal immigration policies. Generally, I see Thompson as having a leg up on Hunter in terms of electability, mainly due to name recognition and personality.

If amnesty is defeated, who on the horizon would you choose to be the next president of the United States?

I am still on the fence. The most impressive so far from the two debates has been Romney. He is the most articulate and charismatic. I just question his conservative credentials. I like Hunter who has a real record and substantive knowledge about national security, trade and immigration issues. The only real question is about electability and a hint of some alleged personal scandal about his home. I want to know more about that. We still have plenty of time to learn more about the candidates and their positions on the issues.

84 posted on 05/17/2007 7:59:03 AM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar; Ultra Sonic 007

>...electability, mainly due to name recognition and personality.<

And look where GWB’s name recognition and personality has gotten us! Not 10-15 million, but 35-70 million illegal immigrants wanting to take over the country! Both GWB and Thompson are Globalists.
Name recognition and personality? Give me substantive content every time. Give me Duncan Hunter.

>alleged scandal about his home?<

You are a dangerous person with your innuendo. If you know something, spill it or chill it!

Should you want to do something FOR your country, check out my post #79.

87 posted on 05/17/2007 8:26:39 AM PDT by Paperdoll (GO DUNCAN HUNTER!)
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To: Paperdoll; Ultra Sonic 007; kabar

Post #79 on Thread: Long-shot Hunter stays in hunt on message.

88 posted on 05/17/2007 8:33:05 AM PDT by Paperdoll (GO DUNCAN HUNTER!)
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To: kabar

Frankly, H1Bs bring in the kinds of people that help our ecnomony than the self-selected ones that come across the border.
***I see from this sentence that you don’t know what you’re talking about. The H1B visa program is riddled with fraud. My perception of Duncan Hunter is that he is interested in cleaning out all aspects of the immigration system. You have an agenda that I’m not all that interested in pursuing.

89 posted on 05/17/2007 8:54:58 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video:
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To: kabar

... so my question stands.
***Nope. Your question falls into the waste bin of human history generated by people with an agenda who do not accommodate truthful inquiry.

90 posted on 05/17/2007 8:57:20 AM PDT by Kevmo (Duncan Hunter just needs one Rudy G Campaign Video:
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To: Paperdoll
You are a dangerous person with your innuendo. If you know something, spill it or chill it!

As an apparent ardent supporter, I am surprised that you haven't heard or read about it.

Hunter got break on taxes for home

And then there is this about his alleged connection with the Cunningham scandal I am not accusing Hunter of any wrongdoing, but you can bet that if his candidacy gains traction, these issues will come up. He must be prepared to deal with them swifty.

Should you want to do something FOR your country,

I have already done plenty FOR my country. I will compare my contributions with your's anytime. Don't question my patriotism.

91 posted on 05/17/2007 8:58:12 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Cacique


92 posted on 05/17/2007 8:59:01 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: Kevmo
I see from this sentence that you don’t know what you’re talking about. The H1B visa program is riddled with fraud.

Unlike other visa programs or legal immigration policies? Do you disagree with the program itself or how it is administered?

My perception of Duncan Hunter is that he is interested in cleaning out all aspects of the immigration system. You have an agenda that I’m not all that interested in pursuing.

The Reps had control of the House for 12 years. They bear some of the reponsibility for the sad state of our immigration policy and the lack of enforcement of the laws on the books. What agenda are you talking about? Reforming our legal immigration laws? Securing our borders? Having a system that brings in immigrants we need in terms of skills and talents rather than the current chain migration laws and self-selected immigrants who enter our country illegally? What is your agenda?

93 posted on 05/17/2007 9:05:20 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Kevmo
Nope. Your question falls into the waste bin of human history generated by people with an agenda who do not accommodate truthful inquiry.

LOL. What the hell are you talking about? Does Duncan Hunter support HR 938, which is a Rep sponsored bill?

94 posted on 05/17/2007 9:07:47 AM PDT by kabar
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To: freespirited
I received this via email from my sister this morning, from some organization called

Only YOU can stop the Senate amnesty now -- UPDATE on details of bill up for Monday vote   ATTENTION RECENTLY JOINED MEMBERS: We are in a legislative crisis. Ordinarily, you may get 1-2 Alerts from me a week. But during a crisis, you will be receiving more than one Alert a day -- sometimes several a day -- until the final votes. Please be patient and take as many actions as possible.


I spent the day with our NumbersUSA Hill Team visiting many Members of Congress and their staffers.
The amnesty compromise has been reached (at least 95% of it, anyway). Sen. Kennedy (D-Mass.), Sen. Kyl (R-Ariz.) and Pres. Bush have negotiated a grand compromise between those who wanted a massive increase in foreign workers and those who wanted a blanket amnesty for illegal aliens and virtually unlimited family chain migration. Nobody involved represented the American people's interest in immigration reductions.

The first key vote will be next Monday night.

Senators are admitting privately that the bill will increase the number of greencards (for permanent settlement) by 20 million over the next 13 years. Added to the number that will be given out based on current law, that means 30-35 million greencards in just the next 13 years! .

To give you an idea of how radically these Senators want to change our nation and communities, consider that there are around 25 million foreign-born now living in this country who have been given green cards over the last 75 years. That number already has overwhelmed and changed thousands of communities..

But the Senate negotiators and Pres. Bush want to raise that number of greencard holders in our communities from 25 million to 60 million in just the next 13 years! .

(See below for more of the devastating components of the amnesty agreement.) .


I picked up some more unsettling and startling information on the Hill today. Such as this:.

Many Senators are telling staffers and other Senators that they are inclined to vote for the giant Kennedy/Bush amnesty bill (S. 1348) next week because they say they have been surprised at how few phone calls of protest they've gotten during the last two months of highly-publicized negotiations to create the amnesty. .

They are concluding that the citizens of their states just aren't all that worked up about granting an amnesty. And they're interpreting that as a green light to give corporations the huge new supplies of legal foreign labor they desire. .

These are Senators who have voted against amnesty in the past..

This makes me heart-sick. While we have given you a number of opportunities to make phone calls to express concern about the amnesty negotiations, we haven't pushed you hard until this week because the Republican negotiators assured us at every step of the way that they would not agree to anything that gives permanent legalization to illegal aliens..

Now that the "deal" has been revealed as a nearly total blanket amnesty for 12-20 million illegal aliens, it is obvious that the Republican negotiators and their staffs misled us, and misled you when you called. .

At this time, only 15 Senators are thought to be likely to vote against the amnesty next week..

Everybody on the Hill says constituent pressure the rest of this week and next week is the only thing that can add more NO votes. But they feel a lot of Senators' support for the amnesty bill is shallow and can change once they realize how politically risky it is to vote YES -- and to learn more details of the really horrible and costly parts of the bill. .

I should tell you that Rosemary Jenks (our director of government relations) remains optimistic that our grassroots mobilization can eke out 41 NO votes next week in a cloture vote -- that would kill the amnesty in the Senate. But that will happen only if tens of thousands more of you than normal pick up a phone and make a call. .


I hope thousands of you will have enough information in this Alert to start making phone calls right now. And I hope the rest of you will start sending faxes and making phone calls as soon as we send you more specific action links with talking points..

Go to your Action Buffet corkboard every morning and afternoon until this is over. Send the faxes. We'll be putting up new faxes every day..


MAKE A PHONE CALL TO YOUR TWO SENATORS AT: 202-224-3121 I know that most of you have never made a phone call. Your faxing totally dominates the written communications in offices. But our phone presence just isn't powerful enough. We need far more phoning to give more weight to the piles of faxes they are getting. .


Many of you will have enough information from this Alert to make phone call as soon as you finish reading this. But for those of you who have never make a call before, you may want to wait until you get an email with a link to a phone action note that will give you talking points and make it easy for you. .

The opposition is doing everything possible to try to convince Senators that our movement represents loud people but not very many people. We need every one of you to step forward and be heard to convince Senators that our voice is the voice of the majority. .

Combined with high fertility among the foreign born, immigration is currently on a trajectory to lead to 100 million more people crowded into American communities before mid-century. .

But if this Kennedy/Bush/Kyl Amnesty (the KBK Amnesty) passes into law, this nation will have to handle 100 million more people in just a few decades, long before mid-century. .

KEY COMPONENTS OF THE KBK AMNESTY Although we don't have the legislative language yet, here are the key components:.

* WE LOSE -- by getting an immediate amnesty for nearly all 12-20 million illegal aliens who will get legal status for residence and jobs (with assurance of green cards no later than 13 years). .

* IN EXHANGE FOR -- we get mandatory workplace verification and a lot of extra enforcement (with a lot of typical Kennedy loopholes) to try to slow the flow of the next 12 million illegal aliens enticed by the amnesty; .

* WE LOSE -- by getting a tripling of the rate of chain migration of extended family from around 250,000 a year to around 750,000 a year for about a decade; .

* IN EXCHANGE FOR -- after about a decade, there should be no more chain migration (assuming that Kennedy doesn't add it back in by then); .

* WE LOSE -- by getting new flows of 400,000 temporary foreign workers each year, bringing their families and having anchor babies who will be given U.S. citizenship; .

* IN EXCHANGE FOR -- at least the temporary workers are supposed to leave and not be able to apply for greencards and permanent residency. .


The majority of Republican Senators last year voted against the S. 2611 amnesty that passed..

But at a noon meeting today with nearly all GOP Senators, Sen. Kyl outlined the amnesty agreement he had negotiated with Sen. Kennedy. Our sources say only about three Senators raised concerns. Most of the rest were saying things like, "If you think this is a good idea, John, I guess that should be good enough for us." .

Pres. Bush and staff have been brilliant in moving Sen. McCain (R-Ariz.) and Sen. Martinez (R-Fla.) into a more secondary role and persuading conservative leader Kyl to lead the negotiations. Kyl is able to lead many Senators to follow him who would otherwise not support an amnesty of any kind. .

At the moment, the only Senators whom we feel relatively certain are opposing this new amnesty are Sen. DeMint (R-SC), Enzi (R-Wyo.), Crapo (R-Idaho), Vitter (R-La.), Allard (R-Colo.), Sessions (R-Ala.), Chambliss (R-Ga.), Grassley (R-Iowa). .

Let us know what you find out when you call the other offices. .


P.S. The following email was passed on to me from the National Review which received it from one of its readers. Perhaps you will be encouraged by it.

I can tell you that Republican congressional offices are besieged with faxes. My own congress critter had a staffer call me Monday to ask if I were using an automatic faxer, since they were getting hundreds and hundreds of similar ones. I told him that NumbersUSA, to which I belong, did have a fax service. I also asked him if it didn't help [the congressman>, who's pretty good on the issue, to be able to say he'd gotten x faxes and y phone calls in absolute opposition to whatever, as he attempts to stiffen the rather flexible spines of some of his colleagues.

The staffer finally admitted that they did use the numbers, but felt overwhelmed. I told him if that was the case, they needed to be beating leadership over the head with boxes of faxes, not complaining to me. .

He also asked where I had gotten the closer to my faxes (A nation which WILL not enforce its laws soon finds it has few it CAN enforce, and then it ceases to be a nation). He seemed surprised when I told him it was original. .

95 posted on 05/17/2007 9:09:03 AM PDT by Mrs.Liberty (Anyone who is more afraid for his own safety over the life of an unborn child is a coward)
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To: Mrs.Liberty; All

The PS Portion of my previous post is part of the email received, and not “my PS”.

96 posted on 05/17/2007 9:10:27 AM PDT by Mrs.Liberty (Anyone who is more afraid for his own safety over the life of an unborn child is a coward)
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To: kabar

About Hunter’s purchase of a fixer-upper, exactly how would you have handled the situation, kabar? I have fixed up many houses myself. Move on, nothing there, just magnified because of who he is.

About your contributions. I hope they’ve gone to worthy causes. I’ll gladly match my contributions with yours anytime, and I don’t mean just money, but many years of endless hours of volunteer work as well.

I wouldn’t worry about how Rep. Hunter handles any accusations if I were you.

97 posted on 05/17/2007 9:15:20 AM PDT by Paperdoll (GO DUNCAN HUNTER!)
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To: Cacique
There are many reasons to oppose amnesty:
*It encourages more illegal aliens to flood this country.
*It is against the wishes of the majority of Americans and only harms this country on numerous levels - crime, terrorism, health care, environment, values, quality of life, etc.
*For a country to survive it has to protect its borders, and the hordes of illegal aliens have turned into an invasion.
*Why should those who demonstrate a contempt for our laws, many of them even refusing to learn English, be granted special privileges not available to those who want to work within the system?
*All illegal aliens are criminals, and they should be deported.

Many of us parents try to raise our children as respecting our laws. What a horrible example to our children to see that those who break to laws are actually rewarded. Amnesty sets a harmful and demoralizing example.

98 posted on 05/17/2007 9:16:18 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: abigailsmybaby

Starting letter writing and phone calling today!!

100 posted on 05/17/2007 9:22:52 AM PDT by swatbuznik
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