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UK to allow hybrid human-animal embryos
News.com ^ | 5/17/2007 | Tim Castle

Posted on 05/17/2007 7:58:14 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever

THE way was cleared today for scientists to conduct experiments using hybrid animal-human embryos after the UK Government bowed to a storm of protest from researchers who said a proposed ban could hurt British science.

The Department of Health said it would accept a recommendation from the Commons Science and Technology Committee that inter-species embryos could be created for research.

Scientists want to use the hybrid embryos to find cures for illnesses such as Parkinson's, stroke and Alzheimer's.

In December, the Government had proposed a ban on creating the hybrid embryos, due to what it called "considerable public unease," with the door left open for later regulations that could allow such research under licence.

The change comes after sustained pressure from scientists and politicians who argued the hybrid embryos would help overcome a shortage of human eggs for research.

Researchers currently rely on human eggs left over from fertility treatments, but these are in short supply.

The hybrid embryos, which would be destroyed within 14 days, would be more than 99 per cent human but would contain a small amount of animal DNA.

Scientists say that any imposition of a ban would see research in other countries, such as China and Canada, overtake Britain.

The Government made its announcement as it published its draft Human Tissues and Embryos Bill.

The draft legislation as written still bars the creation of inter-species embryos, with the Government leaving it to a committee of MPs due to scrutinise the Bill to find the best way of allowing the research.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.com.au ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bravenewworld; chimera; embryos; uk; yikes
They're out there greasing the slope as we speak.
1 posted on 05/17/2007 7:58:18 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever
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To: Rutles4Ever

Insanity.


2 posted on 05/17/2007 7:59:38 AM PDT by SolidWood (Islam is an insanity cult that makes everyone act Arab)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
ping
3 posted on 05/17/2007 8:01:49 AM PDT by don-o (We are "THEY")
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To: Rutles4Ever
The Department of Health said it would accept a recommendation from the Commons Science and Technology Committee that inter-species embryos could be created for research.

This sounds like the prelude to another spiderman movie...
4 posted on 05/17/2007 8:02:11 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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To: All

Can someone provide clarity on this? The article above refers to human “eggs”. Almost every other article I’ve seen refers to a human “embryo” being injected with animal cells. If it’s an actual embryo being assaulted, this is a monumental level of depravity and a crime against humanity (IMHO).


5 posted on 05/17/2007 8:02:30 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Cool!


6 posted on 05/17/2007 8:03:15 AM PDT by Michael.SF. ("The military Mission has long since been accomplished" -- Harry Reid, April 23, 2007)
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To: Froufrou

Bad implications for the future ping.


7 posted on 05/17/2007 8:03:19 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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To: NYer; wideawake; Campion; Salvation

PING


8 posted on 05/17/2007 8:03:44 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Rutles4Ever
Transhumanist are not are friends.
9 posted on 05/17/2007 8:03:46 AM PDT by BGHater (“Every little bit of good I may do, let me do it now for I may not come this way again.”)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Here we go again — embryonic stem cell research by any other name...


10 posted on 05/17/2007 8:03:56 AM PDT by EagleUSA (...)
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To: Michael.SF.

That’s all we need. Moonbat liberal mermaids.


11 posted on 05/17/2007 8:04:35 AM PDT by Rutles4Ever (Ubi Petrus, ibi ecclesia, et ubi ecclesia vita eterna)
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To: Michael.SF.

Don’t you realize she’d probably smell like a fish?


12 posted on 05/17/2007 8:05:26 AM PDT by JamesP81 (Isaiah 10:1 - "Woe to those who enact evil statutes")
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To: Rutles4Ever

At least they’ll stay in water.


13 posted on 05/17/2007 8:06:15 AM PDT by SolidWood (Islam is an insanity cult that makes everyone act Arab)
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To: JamesP81
Don’t you realize she’d probably smell like a fish?

We must learn to overcome.

14 posted on 05/17/2007 8:12:07 AM PDT by Recovering Hermit (There's another old saying Senator..."Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining.")
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To: Rutles4Ever

Explains Henry Waxman, anyway...


15 posted on 05/17/2007 8:13:32 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: Rutles4Ever

16 posted on 05/17/2007 8:14:03 AM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

What’s next? Herakleophorbia?


17 posted on 05/17/2007 8:14:49 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Rutles4Ever

So if we combined a liberal and a rat we’d get....

a liberal?


18 posted on 05/17/2007 8:18:15 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.(173))
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To: neutrino
So if we combined a liberal and a rat we’d get....

Not possible.

There are some things even RATS won't do.

19 posted on 05/17/2007 8:19:51 AM PDT by Oberon (What does it take to make government shrink?)
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To: JamesP81

“inter-species embryos could be created for research.”

And we could eat our young like guppies do...WTF kind of thinking is this?


20 posted on 05/17/2007 8:45:54 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Rutles4Ever
They’re just trying to cover-up for the werewolves in London.
21 posted on 05/17/2007 10:03:51 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Rutles4Ever; don-o
According to this version of the story in the Guardian, the bill provides for the creation of three different types of perverse, monstrous ethically sensitive human-animal hybrids:

The first kind of hybrid allowed under the bill, known as a chimeric embryo, is made by injecting cells from an animal into a human embryo.

The second, known as a human transgenic embryo, involves injecting animal DNA into a human embryo.

The third, known as a cytoplasmic hybrid, is created by transferring the nuclei of human cells into animal eggs from which almost all the genetic material has been removed.

I notice, moreover, that the law says they can't implant these embryos in the womb of a human mother. But it didn't say anything about not implanting them into the uteri of monkeys, cows, or pigs.

Words fail me.

22 posted on 05/18/2007 5:14:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (God bless the child who's got his own.)
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To: All

Geez-—this is going to blow animal rights in a whole different direction.


23 posted on 05/18/2007 5:20:23 AM PDT by Fawn (If it wasn't for FR, I'd be having an Existential MELTDOWN..............right now)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Been there done that, look at Congress and hear the sheep bleats.


24 posted on 05/18/2007 5:25:25 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thanks Mrs. Don-o,I am going to find out more about this today.


25 posted on 05/18/2007 8:34:40 AM PDT by fatima (Free (((Hugs))) today.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Any ‘public unease’ about the process is born out of ignorance and stupidity.


26 posted on 05/18/2007 8:43:46 AM PDT by Rikstir
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To: Froufrou

“And we could eat our young like guppies do...WTF kind of thinking is this?”

WTF Mate?

If we can create these embryo’s to perform ground breaking medical research in the effort to defeat degenerative diseases then I am all for it. Ignorance and the idea of the unknown is what is scaring you, and I mean that in the best way. I wold rather we test of non-sentient matter in order to cure or assist sentient beings of some of the most debilitating illnesses mankind has had to counter.

Without the desire to progress and make the world a better place for our grandchildren to live in, then we find ourselves failing to use the greatest instrument that nature has provided for us, our inquisitive mind.


27 posted on 05/18/2007 8:49:30 AM PDT by Rikstir
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To: Rutles4Ever

Didn’t they see “The Island of Dr. Moreau” ????


28 posted on 05/18/2007 8:51:36 AM PDT by Terabitten (Virginia Tech Corps of Cadets - E-Frat '94. Unity and Pride!)
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To: Rikstir

Are we talking the inquisitive mind of a Joseph Mengele here? ( lets freeze the jews and study the results)
Or the inqusitive mind of a Pol Pot ( lets empty the cities and see how they do as farmers)?
Inquiring minds want to know.


29 posted on 05/18/2007 8:53:18 AM PDT by Waverunner
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To: muawiyah

They’ll eat your lungs out, Jim.


30 posted on 05/18/2007 8:53:33 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Can’t seem to cut and paste, but on pge 115 of the draft bill

The bill states that they are to destroy the embryos after the appearance of the primitive streak (when cells begin to divide); 14 days after the beginning of the process to make the chimeric embryo; half the gestation period of any of the species involved

whichever of the three occurs earliest


31 posted on 05/18/2007 8:57:45 AM PDT by chemical_boy
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To: Waverunner

On what planet is valid scientific research being conducted on EMBYRO’S the same as Mengele or Pol Pot? Thats right, the one you’re on, way out past the Kuiper Belt.

The is a difference between an insane, mad-as-a-bottle-of-chips, one-slice-short-of-a-loaf, one-sandwich-short-of-a-picknick, tyrannical, crackpot, Pol Potesque, nutter, and a scientist trying to cure serious diseases that blight the world.

Think of the MILLIONS of suffers with Alzheimer’s Disease, Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS), Atherosclerosis, Cancer, Diabetes, Heart Disease, Inflammatory Bowel Disease (IBD), Norrie disease, Parkinson’s Disease, Prostatitis, Osteoarthritis, Osteoporosis who with the advent of genetic research, can find new paths and methods to combat these illnesses, so that our children, and their children, can live long, and full lives. Now tell me that what I have just described makes me sound like Pol Pot. I’ll get you for defamation of character if you do ;)


32 posted on 05/18/2007 9:09:11 AM PDT by Rikstir
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To: Rikstir

” I’ll get you for defamation of character if you do”.


33 posted on 05/18/2007 9:47:57 AM PDT by Waverunner
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To: Rikstir; Waverunner; JamesP81; wagglebee; little jeremiah; NYer
"If we can create these embryo’s to perform ground breaking medical research."

"so that our children, and their children, can live long, and full lives.

What's the difference between the "embryos" you referred to and the "children?" Oh, wait, that's right, the "embryos" won't GET to have any "children" because they're created to be destroyed.

IT IS IMMORAL, and here I will refrain from the plethora of nastyisms which you so richly deserve.
34 posted on 05/18/2007 10:01:12 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Sounds like somebody is trying to come up with an end-run around the anti-slavery statutes.


35 posted on 05/18/2007 10:23:53 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Rutles4Ever
>THE way was cleared today for scientists to conduct experiments using hybrid animal-human embryos ...


36 posted on 05/18/2007 10:31:15 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

Hot Mama Llama


37 posted on 05/18/2007 10:35:20 AM PDT by Waverunner
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To: Mrs. Don-o
OK this is what I found out.Brownback-I think that’s his name -who is running for President has a bill prohibiting mixing human and animal embryo’s.This means that it is already happening in the U.S. it is just not being funded.Can you believe there is no law to stop this.Father Peter West also said that a patent was applied for in the US patient office a human and chimpanzee mix,it would be called a humanz I think he said.He also said the patent was turned down.I have a tape of this interview if anyone wants a copy just freepmail me.
38 posted on 05/18/2007 10:36:44 AM PDT by fatima (Free (((Hugs))) today.)
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To: fatima
>This means that it is already happening in the U.S.


NextGenCode
39 posted on 05/18/2007 10:40:34 AM PDT by theFIRMbss
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To: theFIRMbss

Gosh I thought that site was real until I tried to order the permapuppy:)


40 posted on 05/18/2007 10:52:07 AM PDT by fatima (Free (((Hugs))) today.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Paging Dr. Linebarger............(a.k.a. Mr. Smith)


41 posted on 05/18/2007 10:55:20 AM PDT by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Nope. Not gonna do it.)
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To: Froufrou

Without feeling the need to use any of the nastyisms that you almost felt compelled to use, here I present my rebuttal...

Its only ‘immoral’ if you take a religious viewpoint. Delving into theology a little, as I think it has relevance, what could ‘God’ or whoever hold against the prospect of increasing our life spans and improving the quality of life for ourselves and other around us? If he is the kind and understanding benefactor of us all, then he would understand what we are trying to do.
These aren’t people yet, they are DNA constructs, not even that. Its the raw material that we grow from.

I trust that as you have such a strong moral conviction on this matter that you will refrain from any medical science that has been tested in such a manner? Thats going to leave you with a hell of alot of placebo’s and mysticism. Faith does not cure diseases, medical science on the other hand, has proven to.
I suppose its the argument between the scientist and the theologist. I would rather have cures for disease, and deal with the repercussions later, than not progress as a species.

In all good conscience I find your argument baffling, and in the end, self defeating for us all.


42 posted on 05/18/2007 11:03:34 AM PDT by Rikstir
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To: Waverunner

;)


43 posted on 05/18/2007 11:06:13 AM PDT by Rikstir
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To: Rikstir; Waverunner

“Faith does not cure diseases, medical science on the other hand, has proven to.”

There is no proof that faith does not cure. There are many, many doctors who can document miracle cures that can be attributed to nothing but faith.

You have presumed that I am ignorant in medical matters solely because I cannot justify the creation of a part-human for experimental purposes.

And, I submit that the ONLY reason they suggest a non-human component is to attempt to destigmatize the moral notion that men should not aspire to be divine.

Indeed, a pure human that has been aborted would be a better choice. If you have no moral compunction to protect a creature that is even part human, why not destroy one that is all human?

If you don’t see the slippery slope, some near-perfect grandchild of your own could be in line for research.


44 posted on 05/18/2007 11:26:36 AM PDT by Froufrou
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To: Rikstir; Froufrou
I don't think it's "ignorance of the idea of the unknown" that puts people off of this type of research: it's knowing all too well what's happening.

The creation of transgenics and chimerics involves the manipulation of a living human embryo who is the genetic offspring of human parents, which in 10 days or so will end in his planned death. This in itself is an act of disrespect for the moral status of an embryonic human being, made quasi-animal by a laboratory process.

The third project, the making a cytoplasmic hybrid, is cloning. Legislation, agreements, and covenants in many countries as well as the World Health Organization and the 1997 G7 Summit meeting in the USA put a moratorium on human cloning, although the definitions are conflicting and the enforcement faulty.

My point in mentioning this is that the ethical problems that have been raised did not come from the science-illiterate "man in the street," but from people at the highest levels of research, international law and human rights.

I'm sure a lot of interesting experiments could be done with sheep-pig chimeras, chimp-dog trnsgenics, or babboon cytoplasmic clones.; and nobody (except maybe Jeremy Rifkin) would have any objection.

But it is a basic ethical principle that human lives at any stage should not be treated as nonconsenting experimental subjects.

45 posted on 05/18/2007 11:45:55 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: chemical_boy
"The bill states that they are to destroy the embryos after the appearance of the primitive streak (when cells begin to divide); 14 days after the beginning of the process to make the chimeric embryo; half the gestation period of any of the species involved, whichever of the three occurs earliest."

But what is the significance of this? Perhaps they think that killing the clones early is morally preferable to letting them grow to a more mature stage; but why? They are drawing a moral line, it seems to me, without a moral basis.

46 posted on 05/18/2007 11:50:07 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: Rikstir
"The is a difference between an insane, mad-as-a-bottle-of-chips, one-slice-short-of-a-loaf, one-sandwich-short-of-a-picknick, tyrannical, crackpot, Pol Potesque, nutter, and a scientist trying to cure serious diseases that blight the world."

A man who is prepared to insult is generally one who is not prepared to argue.

47 posted on 05/18/2007 11:52:52 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Mammalia Primatia Hominidae Homo sapiens. Still working on the "sapiens" part.)
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To: Rutles4Ever

Chimeras huh?
These Brits are stuck in mythology.

Someone should remind them about what happened at Sodom City. They are really pushing the Big Guy’s buttons.


48 posted on 05/18/2007 11:55:10 AM PDT by eleni121 (+ En Touto Nika! By this sign conquer! + Constantine the Great)
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To: Froufrou

Sick, evil, suicidal, vicious - there aren’t words that described this.

Will do pingthing later, thanks for alerting me.


49 posted on 05/18/2007 12:14:57 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Only those who thirst for the truth will know the truth.)
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To: fatima
>I thought that site was real until...


50 posted on 05/18/2007 2:06:35 PM PDT by theFIRMbss
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