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Deal struck on immigration bill (in the Senate, now over to the House for action)
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/17/07 | Julie Hirschfeld Davis - ap

Posted on 05/17/2007 10:16:31 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - A bipartisan group of senators reached agreement with the White House Thursday on an immigration overhaul to grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border against new ones.

One of the key negotiators, Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said he expects President Bush to endorse it.

The deal came after weeks of painstaking closed-door negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most conservative Republicans together with Bush's Cabinet officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy political consequences.

It set the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle next week in the Senate on one of Bush's top non-war priorities.

This is a breaking news update. Check back soon for further information. AP's earlier story is below.

WASHINGTON (AP) — Republican and Democratic senators huddled Thursday trying to close in on an immigration compromise to grant quick legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants while fortifying U.S. borders against new ones.

A group of lawmakers that has been haggling over the terms of agreement for weeks were reviewing language negotiated Wednesday night in efforts to nail down a deal. Among the final sticking points was a stubborn dispute over how much family ties count toward green cards under a new "point system." The plan prioritizes advanced skills and education levels for future immigrants.

Two of the lead negotiators, Sens. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., and Lindsey Graham (news, bio, voting record), R-S.C., booked time for Thursday afternoon in the Senate's radio-TV gallery for an announcement.

But Kennedy said some were hanging back as an agreement inched closer.

"There are just some people who don't want to close on this. There comes a time in every negotiation where people have to close," Kennedy said. "Today is it."

Kennedy said Thursday was likely the last chance for a compromise before senators scattered for a three-day weekend.

"The immigration reform legislation has come to a boiling point," Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., said just before going into Thursday's meeting. "We've tried to come to a consensus and I think we are very, very close, but every time we grasp it, it eludes a final resolution."

If no deal emerged, Senate Democrats were to vote Monday evening to bring up an immigration measure that passed last year over the objections of most Republicans, who have said they will block it. That would be a highly partisan start to the immigration debate, which divides the two parties and exposes fissures within their ranks.

Even with a bipartisan agreement, the immigration debate could easily devolve into a free-for-all in the unruly Senate.

Majority Leader Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev., has said he wants to complete a bill before Memorial Day, and President Bush says he wants to sign one by summer's end.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; buildthewall; bushamnesty; bushobl; cw11; cw2; deal; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; nau; struck; traitors
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To: TheRiverNile

And the Democrats are going to do any better? That’s what doesn’t make sense to me.


51 posted on 05/17/2007 10:34:50 AM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Kimberly GG
Today marks the countdown to the United States becoming a third world Nation.

sw

52 posted on 05/17/2007 10:35:18 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Build it and they won't come)
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To: NormsRevenge
how much family ties count toward green cards under a new "point system." The plan prioritizes advanced skills and education levels for future immigrants.

Family ties count 100 percent. Jose - who will be able to stay and get his visa - may now bring his wife and four children to the U.S., also with visas.

Some time in the way distant future there will be a point system.

But not until we have a net migration of 15 to 30 million Mexicans and Salvadoreans.

53 posted on 05/17/2007 10:35:29 AM PDT by angkor
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To: Kimberly GG

“Bush’s continued push on immigration reform just PRIOR to ‘06, in what he KNEW was a critical election year, is what lost us both the House and the Senate!”

Correct! It wasn’t the war, it was illegal immigration !!!!


54 posted on 05/17/2007 10:35:41 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: CDHart

“Does anyone have info on which ones voted yes?

Carolyn”

Yes, we need names. We will, at least know which Congressman to spit on when they walk down the street.


55 posted on 05/17/2007 10:35:46 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: ZULU

Just don’t say Jorge


56 posted on 05/17/2007 10:35:46 AM PDT by misterrob (Yankees Suck!)
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To: NormsRevenge

“An immediate amnesty for nearly all 12-20 million “

That assumes that 12-20 is right. I have no idea but some folks have estimated 30+ million


57 posted on 05/17/2007 10:36:06 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: NormsRevenge
Forward this story to everyone you know.

Fax, email, and call every member of the House AND LET THEM KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU THINK OF THIS BILL.

Do the same to the office of the Presidente.

WITHOUT GRASSROOTS ACTION, OUR COUNTRY ENDS.

58 posted on 05/17/2007 10:36:22 AM PDT by snowrip (Liberal? YOU ARE A GUTLESS SOCIALIST WITH NO RATIONAL ARGUMENT.)
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To: CDHart

I called John Cornyn’s (TX) office. They said they have gotten lots of calls in opposition to the amnesty bill, and Cornyn is also against it. They have not done a vote in the senate. I hope for a filibuster or a threat thereof to torpedo this abomination.


59 posted on 05/17/2007 10:36:59 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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To: panthermom

“OUR OWN GOVERMENT IS MORE OF AN ENEMY TO US THAN ALL OF THE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS GROUPS COMBINED!!!!!!”

Damn straight.


60 posted on 05/17/2007 10:37:01 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: muawiyah
Did Saddam Hussein's paymaster buy all these pukes or what?

no, it was osammy's paymaster......along w/the saudis.

61 posted on 05/17/2007 10:37:26 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: darth
This will become the NUMBER ONE issue in 2008. Which candidate will jump on it? By opposing amnesty and open borders we can attract union members, blue collar workers, and minorities over to our side if the issue is properly framed.

I think they are trying to push this through now so that it will be too late for any 2008 candidate to do anything about it.

62 posted on 05/17/2007 10:37:56 AM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Pyro7480

“And the Democrats are going to do any better? That’s what doesn’t make sense to me.”

No, but it’s obvious that conservatives need their own party. The Republicans have stabbed us too many times.


63 posted on 05/17/2007 10:39:07 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: TUAN_JIM

Bingo


64 posted on 05/17/2007 10:39:33 AM PDT by From One - Many (Trust the Old Media At Your Own Risk)
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To: NormsRevenge

And Kennedy will continue his tactic of cutting funds for the immigration bills he passes. Nobody will enforce these complex compromises and procedures, and if they try, the’yll need to do it with no money.

I wonder if the US people will stand up to this, or just keep watching American Idol and The Game.


65 posted on 05/17/2007 10:39:36 AM PDT by Ender Wiggin
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To: TUAN_JIM
Kennedy and John McCain on TV now..I loathe them both!!!
66 posted on 05/17/2007 10:39:57 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Build it and they won't come)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

FILLIBUSTER THIS. FILLIBUSTER IT FOR YEARS IF THAT’S WHAT IT TAKES.


67 posted on 05/17/2007 10:40:08 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: NormsRevenge

Pukehead Kennedy is on TV announcing the sellout at this moment.


68 posted on 05/17/2007 10:40:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: panthermom
OUR OWN GOVERMENT IS MORE OF AN ENEMY TO US THAN ALL OF THE ISLAMIC TERRORISTS GROUPS COMBINED!!!!!!

I'll second that.

69 posted on 05/17/2007 10:40:26 AM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: cripplecreek

Better yet, get on the phone and call your Representative and tell them not to go along with the amnesty. Numbers USA (a great org.) provides the phone numbers, both local and in D.C.


70 posted on 05/17/2007 10:40:40 AM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: NormsRevenge
grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border against new ones.

Outrageous. Rewards criminal behaviour and makes a mockery of those trying for legal immigration.
71 posted on 05/17/2007 10:40:45 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: NormsRevenge
Lincoln's Address Before the Young Men's Lyceum of Springfield, Illinois January 27, 1838

The Perpetuation of Our Political Institutions:

"At what point shall we expect the approach of danger? By what means shall we fortify against it?-- Shall we expect some transatlantic military giant, to step the Ocean, and crush us at a blow? Never!--All the armies of Europe, Asia and Africa combined, with all the treasure of the earth (our own excepted) in their military chest; with a Buonaparte for a commander, could not by force, take a drink from the Ohio, or make a track on the Blue Ridge, in a trial of a thousand years."

"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."

72 posted on 05/17/2007 10:40:52 AM PDT by oldbill
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To: NormsRevenge

Dear heaven!!! Goodbye sweet America. Time to join a militia. Frustrates me to no end that I’m paying taxes to this backstabbing federal government. I swear when I get my paycheck tomorrow I’m going to go ballistic.


73 posted on 05/17/2007 10:41:17 AM PDT by harvey07
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To: darth

Once amnesty is passed legislatively, how can we get it back? 2008 is too late. This is the legal ratification of the tipping point for the US. There will be no getting the genie back into the bottle and conservatives will be overwhelmingly outvoted in the future.


74 posted on 05/17/2007 10:41:34 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: NormsRevenge

I voted for Jorge Bush twice. I held my nose twice, just to keep things from getting worse. And all I get is this. Why worry about Iraq when your home country is being overrun, Jorge? These Republicrats sicken me.


75 posted on 05/17/2007 10:41:35 AM PDT by badbass
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To: F15Eagle
Exactly.

"The GOP is dead, Jim. Dead, moribund, deceased, passed on, over, in its final dirtnap, Jim."

76 posted on 05/17/2007 10:41:49 AM PDT by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: spectre
Especially repulsive with Kennedy on TV now....heralding this disgusting news.

I can't believe what I'm hearing.

I have dear friends from Scotland...

..for 4 years they have been carefully working through the channels to become US citizens, doing everything the law requires.

What a joke for them.

77 posted on 05/17/2007 10:41:50 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: spectre
McCain has gotta' be out of the race. No way he can defend any of this immigration sell-out to Mexico.

No country has ever had such a large number of people come to this country ~ NEVER.

They have their own country and should go back home and take care of problems there.

They can take Kennedy and his lackeys with them.

78 posted on 05/17/2007 10:42:05 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: All

Update

Deal struck on immigration bill
JULIE HIRSCHFELD DAVIS - AP

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/immigration_congress;_ylt=AjRx1FcSMfv62B0nlDmjHWes0NUE

WASHINGTON - Key senators and the White House reached agreement Thursday on an immigration overhaul that would grant quick legal status to millions of illegal immigrants already in the U.S. and fortify the border.

The plan would create a temporary worker program to bring new arrivals to the U.S. A separate program would cover agricultural workers. New high-tech enforcement measures also would be instituted to verify that workers are here legally.

The compromise came after weeks of painstaking closed-door negotiations that brought the most liberal Democrats and the most conservative Republicans together with President Bush’s Cabinet officers to produce a highly complex measure that carries heavy political consequences.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass., said he expects Bush to endorse the agreement.

The accord sets the stage for what promises to be a bruising battle next week in the Senate on one of Bush’s top non-war priorities.

The key breakthrough came when negotiators struck a bargain on a so-called “point system” that would for the first time prioritize immigrants’ education and skill level over family connections in deciding how to award green cards.

The draft bill “gives a path out of the shadows and toward legal status for those who are currently here” illegally, said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (news, bio, voting record), D-Calif.

A spokesman for Sen. Jon Kyl (news, bio, voting record), R-Ariz., one of his party’s key players in the talks, confirmed that the group had reached agreement.

The proposed agreement would allow illegal immigrants to come forward and obtain a “Z visa” and — after paying fees and a $5,000 fine — ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first.

They could come forward right away to claim a probationary card that would let them live and work legally in the U.S., but could not begin the path to permanent residency or citizenship until border security improvements and the high-tech worker identification program were completed.

A new temporary guest worker program would also have to wait until those so-called “triggers” had been activated.

Those workers would have to return home after work stints of two years, with little opportunity to gain permanent legal status or ever become U.S. citizens. They could renew their guest worker visas twice, but would be required to leave for a year in between each time.

Democrats had pressed instead for guest workers to be permitted to stay and work indefinitely in the U.S.

In perhaps the most hotly debated change, the proposed plan would shift from an immigration system primarily weighted toward family ties toward one with preferences for people with advanced degrees and sophisticated skills. Republicans have long sought such revisions, which they say are needed to end “chain migration” that harms the economy, while some Democrats and liberal groups say it’s an unfair system that rips families apart.

Family connections alone would no longer be enough to qualify for a green card — except for spouses and minor children of U.S. citizens.

New limits would apply to U.S. citizens seeking to bring foreign-born parents into the country.


79 posted on 05/17/2007 10:42:15 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... A nation bent on being consigned to the dustbin of history, we weep for thee.)
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To: angkor

“But not until we have a net migration of 15 to 30 million Mexicans and Salvadoreans.”

And Brazilians and Cape Verdeans and Venezeualans and Canadians and Scotts and Cubans...


80 posted on 05/17/2007 10:42:25 AM PDT by Ender Wiggin
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To: teawithmisswilliams

I can count on my congressman (Tim Walberg) He was elected over an incumbant RINO and he had the endorsement of the Minuteman PAC.

U boat commander Ted gloating about his deal now.


81 posted on 05/17/2007 10:42:40 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"...an immigration compromise to grant quick legal status to millions of undocumented immigrants..."

So now quick legal status is the latest euphemism for amnesty. Is that AP's wordcraft, or is that what the Senators are using? It looks like the quotation marks are coming off "amnesty".

82 posted on 05/17/2007 10:44:01 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: harvey07
Well, just spend your money on yourself..while you can.

LOU DOBBS..we need you tonight! Get on this.

Arlen Specter is brain damaged..so are McCain/Kennedy. Someone check them out for Dementia.

LIARS!! It's amnesty!!!

sw

83 posted on 05/17/2007 10:44:13 AM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Build it and they won't come)
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To: muawiyah

I know a person who is spending thousands of dollars (Immigration will let an on-time application sit on a pile while the timeline expires, then tell the applicant that they have to reapply and PAY again) and waiting for months doing things the legal way — and the incentive is...?


84 posted on 05/17/2007 10:44:15 AM PDT by Tirian
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To: TheRiverNile

What we need to do is become super-active in primaries. Throw out ALL the RINO b@$t@rd$ and replace them with true patriot conservatives. Goober Sen. Lindsey Graham for example.


85 posted on 05/17/2007 10:44:16 AM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: Diogenesis

Agreed.

Our back-stabbing, traitor, whoring politicians are selling out our nation to third-world status. I stand in disbelief at how they can sellout America and call themselves “Americans”.


86 posted on 05/17/2007 10:44:27 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 1 John 4:15, John 11:25, John 14:6, 1 Tim 2:5, John 3:17-18, John 20:31, 1 John 5:13)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Should say "They have not done a vote in the full senate." I guess Kyl's mind has been taken over by an evil power.

Remember the Dubai Ports deal? Politicians were competing to see which one could denounce it the loudest. There is much more vehement opposition to this "deal."
87 posted on 05/17/2007 10:44:27 AM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
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To: cripplecreek
Monica Crowley just called it....AMNESTY!....exactly!
88 posted on 05/17/2007 10:44:49 AM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: NormsRevenge

This is all about Social Security.


89 posted on 05/17/2007 10:44:49 AM PDT by Crawdad (I cried because I had no shoes, until I met a man who had no class.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Heads of household would have to return to their home countries first.”

Why not the whole family? Too much impact on the manufacturing and roofing segment?


90 posted on 05/17/2007 10:45:08 AM PDT by Ender Wiggin
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To: Kimberly GG

AND....

WHO’S going to DEPORT all of the MILLIONS of illegal aliens who are NOT working and don’t qualify for a work visa???

BUY stock in GRAYHOUND.


91 posted on 05/17/2007 10:45:12 AM PDT by JFC
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To: NormsRevenge
I am only one drop of water in a big ocean but my small drop will not support any incumbent. Our governmental leaders all seem to care about themselves first the Nation second. Perhaps it's time for some real serious changes in government...The United States of America seems doomed if things don't change quickly. I look at a politician now and wonder whose pocket they are in..a bunch of crooks.
92 posted on 05/17/2007 10:45:21 AM PDT by JamesA
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To: NormsRevenge
Specter: It's not amnesty. Honest it isn't. Who do you believe -- us or your lying eyes?


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93 posted on 05/17/2007 10:45:27 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: cripplecreek

A migrant tries to cross into the U.S. from the Mexican border town of Ciudad Juarez, under the bridge that connects the border city with El Paso March 6, 2006. A bipartisan group of U.S. senators reached agreement on Thursday on an immigration reform bill that would legalize millions of illegal immigrants and establish a merit-based system for future migrants, lawmakers said. (Stringer/Reuters)


an immigration reform bill that would legalize millions of illegal immigrants and establish a merit-based system for future migrants

--

those proficient at climbing fences will be docked points in the merit-based system to make it more fair. :-)


94 posted on 05/17/2007 10:46:01 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... A nation bent on being consigned to the dustbin of history, we weep for thee.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Only 2% work in ag. The lowlife SCUM in washington!


95 posted on 05/17/2007 10:46:05 AM PDT by ca centered
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To: NormsRevenge

Nice knowing you America. I will miss you.


96 posted on 05/17/2007 10:46:54 AM PDT by SQUID
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Bang-Up Job, Senators, a REal Bang-Up Job!

Sen. Minority Leader Mitch McConnell of Ky., center, flanked by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., left, and Sen. Mel Martinez, R-Fla., meets with reporters on Capitol Hill in Washington, Thursday, May 10,2007, after a conference to discuss immigration reform. (AP Photo/Lawrence Jackson)

97 posted on 05/17/2007 10:47:23 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... A nation bent on being consigned to the dustbin of history, we weep for thee.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I hope the BOrder Patrol is out today, because I don’t see why millions of Mexicans wouldn’t pour over the borders to get to be a part of this.


98 posted on 05/17/2007 10:47:24 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: badbass
I voted for Jorge Bush twice. I held my nose twice, just to keep things from getting worse. And all I get is this. Why worry about Iraq when your home country is being overrun, Jorge? These Republicrats sicken me.

If Bush endorses this, he'll become the worst Republican president of all time in my opinion. Actually, he's already in the running even without this. If we make enough noise, maybe we can stop this, like the Harriet Miers appointment.

99 posted on 05/17/2007 10:47:31 AM PDT by TUAN_JIM (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: traditional1

It’s AMNESTY, actually.


100 posted on 05/17/2007 10:48:24 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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