Posted on 05/18/2007 8:17:03 AM PDT by dennisw
Don't Be Fooled [Heather Mac Donald]
Republican supporters of the Senate’s latest amnesty bill are trying to distract voters by dangling before them the requirements for an illegal alien to become a citizen or purchase a green card. These requirements make this bill a tough, no-cave-in reform, proponents say, that responds to the public’s outrage over immigration law-breaking. Don’t be fooled. Prerequisites to citizenship or permanent residency status are irrelevant to whether this bill rewards law-breaking or will encourage more in the future. Its key feature is rather that illegal aliens, according to press reports, can immediately have their illegal status wiped away with a temporary-residency permit, available virtually upon demand. That’s it. The rest is noise. Whether or not one has to show English proficiency and a knowledge of civics to become a citizen is irrelevant from an illegal alien’s perspective; a minute proportion of illegal or even legal Mexican and Central American immigrants come here with the desire to become citizens. The naturalization rate among qualified Hispanics has traditionally been negligible compared to other national groups; it started rising only when Congress required citizenship to receive welfare benefits.
There is no ambiguity about the effects of amnesty. Everywhere they have been introduced—including in Europe—they have brought in their train a new flood of illegals. This latest bill will do the same.
05/17 06:40 PM
That's the money quote.
I recommend everyone login at numbersusa.com and BE HEARD!
DU has a REALLY interesting thread going on this. They are of two minds on it. Strangely, some of them agree with us.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2850589
Exactly and there is no law being violated to go after employers. They will probably issue a sticky pad of visas to all employers making them legal on the spot. Now I can hire you Pedro!
You get it!
Illegals don’t care about citizenship
They would like a green card. Hundreds of millions of foreigners would love to have a US green card
But even more than a Green card what they want is immediate legal status for financial reasons, job reasons they’ll get higher wages once legal and able to complain and file lawsuits. This immigration bill legalizes all these people immediately and whoever else can sneak in here in the next few years and get fraudulent documentation showing he has been living here
A note to the House: We are reading what has been proposed, and we understand how thoroughly irrational, senseless, and gutless it is. We see that it has been carefully crafted to give an appearance of resolute change... but that in reality it does absolutely nothing, and that the craftsmanship of trickery is both premeditated and deliberate. Any government official that supports it, including the President, brings shame upon themselves and upon this nation.
The Senate voted to make our country a weaker, more dangerous place. The Senate voted to take from those who obey the laws, and to give a reward to those who break them.
The senators who voted for this legislation voted anti-American. Period.
Back in the late 90s I met with a group of INS agents. One of them said he was in “workplace enforcement.” I asked him what area he worked in, and he told me “California, Arizona and Nevada.” He was the ONLY INS agent assigned to workplace enforcement, in other words, employer enforcement, in those three states. I have no reason to believe it is any different now.
The DUmmies were not really agreeing with us. they are simply worried that the issue will shoot the 'rats in the foot come election 2008.
BUMP!
Well, they count on the employers to “self-police” and of course report any violations. /dripping sarcasm
This amnesty if far worse than the status quo, and that’s saying something.
Want to solve the illegal immigrant problem?
Simply make them all legal and the problem is solved.
Brilliant ! ! !
This is the kind of stuff I was talking about: “Immigrants traditionally vote Democrat by overwhelming numbers, so we can add another 12 - 20 million to our ranks, and kiss the GOP goodbye as they sprint to the dustbin of history.”
Learn Spanish.
Amen to that!
Honest question, part two: Does anyone really expect an illegal to fork over $5,000 in cash just to get a Z Visa?
Thanks for that, as I’m unable to link the other group for some reason!
I agree with you 100%. The only alternative we have is to fax, call and continue to inundate our representatives with a flat NO, we don’t buy this amnesty bill. Otherwise we all will be paying big consequences. My grandparents immigrated here legally and I am insulted by this gutless act being exercised. Damn, enforce the laws, don’t capitulate as is usually done by our masterful politicians to foster their own little power and political bubble. Anyone who votes for this who is on a ballot I get to vote on will be neglected by me! They are useless pawns, IMHO!
Would they be an asset or a liability to the US economy in the next 10 or 15 years..?
I firmly believe all this has to do with the North American Alliance. There are those in the government that are really pushing for open borders between Canada, Mexico and the U.S. Much like the EU. They are going to change our whole way of living. They can do this with Canada because the economys and standard of living is about the same. Mexico is in the tank and has always been that way. To have the North American Alliance, they need to raise the standard of living in Mexico to resemble ours. This means getting rid of the seven families that run Mexico and raise their economic standards. This will cost us plenty but they don’t care. It’s a plan that has been in the works for many years.
“High school? I no nee no steenkin high school!”
They’ll be an “asset” to liquor distillers and privately-run prisons....
>>The Senate voted to make our country a weaker, more dangerous place. The Senate voted to take from those who obey the laws, and to give a reward to those who break them.
The senators who voted for this legislation voted anti-American. Period.<<
Er, the Senate has not voted yet.
Question: what would any self-respecting conservative even talk to Ted Kennedy on immigration, let alone wish him good morning?
The Senate “vote” is a mere formality, as yesterday’s recorded for/against tally shows.
If Ted Kennedy if for it, I’m against it. You can’t go wrong with this litmus test.
Except now he's on coffee break 24/7 with an immigration raid every 4 or 5 months strictly for public relations.
Actually, he retired in disgust shortly after that conversation, and I can’t say I blame him.
If John McCain is for it, I am against it.
My email to him this morning
“Thank you for clarifying my choices in the upcoming GOP primary by so
strongly advocating amnesty for the twelve million lawbreakers currently
residing in the US.
I will first vote against you in California - my home state - just for the
pleasure of seeing you lose, then I will gladly abstain from voting at all in
the general election as the useless, sellout GOP doesn’t deserve any support on
any level from a conservative of conscience.
You, Sir can go to hell.
Yes, but for generally different reasons. They don't give a ding dong damn about border security, but they do care about propping up union wages. They also want every CEO in America who headed a corporation that had some illegal slip a phony ID past their HR department locked up. I agree that many corporations have deliberately looked the other way while knowingly hiring illegals, but the majority of US businesses care about doing this job correctly, and not being sued by LaRaza for discrimination.
Carolyn
With identity theft, most of them already are receiving Social Security and/or Unemployment and/or Welfare payments, so the American taxpayer will pay the $5K one way or another. The honest ones will no doubt cry poverty and their debt will probably be forgiven.
Why would you want to become a citizen? Fly under the radar -- free education, free welfare, no jury duty, no military service, nationwide "in-state" tuition, minority set-asides and affirmative action. Anonymity makes taxes optional, and in any event taxes are far exceeded by benefits.
Latest poll shows that President George Bush's rating have climbed to a 78% approval after the details of the comprehensive immigration reform were released yesterday.
The poll asked 1013 selected respondents the following question:
¿Hace Presidente Jorge Bush un trabajo bueno?
Si - 78%
No - 15%
No se - 4%
Donde es mi welfare check? - 3%
If Ted Kennedy or John McCain are for it ... I’m against it. Let’s be a fair and equal to both parties!
That was my thought exactly---there's no way an illegal's going to pony up $5K for something he or she is already getting for free, or just for the sake of making things "right."
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>>The Senate “vote” is a mere formality, as yesterday’s recorded for/against tally shows.<<
Care to post a link to this “tally?”
The senators have not even read the bill.
I don’t have a link; the tally was from the Senate floor and was broadcast live on C-Span.
What were they voting on exactly? Strange it’s not on numbersusa. Do you even have a number for the bill?
bttt
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