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2006 - Giuliani Endorses McCain-Kennedy Immigration Reform [Amnesty]
Youtube ^ | April 25, 2006 | Rudy Giuliani

Posted on 05/18/2007 10:31:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

GIULIANI: And I think that, you know, we're going through a very serious debate on immigration and I think that I look at it from the point of view of how do we create more security for the United States? How do we, in an era of a war on terrorism, which is going to continue for the indefinable future, and then some of the other problems that we have, how do we create more security? And I think that either extreme is not the right answer.

One extreme is what I would call the punitive approach, which is reflected in the House legislation that was passed, which is to make it a crime to be an illegal or undocumented immigrant; it is illegal now but it's not a crime and I believe, if I recall correctly, that it would make it a five-year felony and there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States. It would become a law that was honored in the breach and it could not possibly be enforced.

To give you the dimensions that I remember, at least when I was the Mayor, it's estimated that there are about 400,000 people in that category in New York, it could be more now but it used to be about 400,000. The Immigration and Naturalization Service, I believe, deports about 1,500 to 2,000 people a year so I pretty quickly figured out that I was going to have 398,000 illegal immigrants no matter what the federal government did and I had to do something sensible about it rather than something stupid and kind of make it work in the society in which we exist.

Well, that's really the picture for the whole country and to deal with it in a punitive way is actually going to make us considerably less secure than we already are because the problem is that we have such a huge underground that we can't really keep account of who's here, who they are, identify them, and kind of separate the ones that are here for benign or neutral purposes, which we can argue about the competitiveness and the economy and everything else, but they're not really doing damage to our society, might even be making vast contributions to it, and then focus on the people that we have to focus on who are the people that might come here to carry out terrorist acts or to sell drugs or to commit crimes and the reason we can't do that well is that we have a system already that's unenforceable, that's unrealistic given the numbers of people that want to come here, the size of our borders, the number of resources that we could conceivably have to apply to it.

So the right answer is to do the things that have to be done to secure our borders, introduce new technology, require more of people in describing who they are, identify them effectively, fingerprint them or finger image them if you have to, photograph them, come up with cards for them, use the modern methods that we presently have for identifying people but don't try to legislate against the inevitable forces of, you know, social movement and the economy because it isn't going to work. So we have to find a way and I think that the compromise the Senate was looking at something along those lines makes sense.

Give people a way to earn citizenship, give them a way to earn citizenship in which they have to demonstrate facility with English and they have jobs and they're paying taxes and they've put themselves in an entirely legal status, recognize the economic forces that are realistic ones that require people to come into the United States or require people to have people come into the United States, and you identify them and you have them pay taxes and you find out who they are and then you concentrate on the people who are avoiding that and you'll be capable of doing that because it'll be a problem the dimensions of which you can touch and feel and measure and see and it'll be much harder for terrorists to hide in a situation like that.

And I think that the Manhattan Institute, which sort of turns on trying to figure out the logical and sensible answer to a problem, can play a big role in getting us to think about immigration in a way that it is sensible and it gets us to a resolution that makes us more secure because I think that going in either extreme is going to hurt us.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; immigration; openborders; rinos
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1 posted on 05/18/2007 10:31:39 AM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: EternalVigilance

This guy ought to pack it up now & McLame sould be booed out of the next debate.


2 posted on 05/18/2007 10:34:35 AM PDT by Digger (If RINO is your selection, then failure is your election)
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To: EternalVigilance

I’ll see if I can find Romney’s glowing review as well.

Folks, pay attention, please. Duncan Hunter 08


3 posted on 05/18/2007 10:34:49 AM PDT by pissant
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To: EternalVigilance

Just one more nail in his coffin. I hope it gets it all nailed up soon, and just goes away.


4 posted on 05/18/2007 10:35:29 AM PDT by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: EternalVigilance

“it is illegal now but it’s not a crime”

There you have it. Ugh.


5 posted on 05/18/2007 10:35:36 AM PDT by Disturbin (Welcome to society -- morons with keys)
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To: EternalVigilance
it is illegal now but it's not a crime

That comment defies explanation. If being illegal is not a crime, then why was a law ever passed making illegals illegal?

If that the level of belief of the presidential contenders, this nation is in deep trouble.
6 posted on 05/18/2007 10:36:18 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: EternalVigilance

"Borders? Borders" We don' need no steenking borders!"

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7 posted on 05/18/2007 10:37:30 AM PDT by TommyDale (More Americans are killed each day in the U.S. by abortion than were killed on 9/11 !)
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To: pissant
I’ll see if I can find Romney’s glowing review as well.

Romney's against it.

Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney also blasted the immigration agreement:

"I strongly oppose today’s bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new ‘Z-Visa’ does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S."

8 posted on 05/18/2007 10:38:18 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: pissant
Governor Mitt Romney On The Senate Immigration Agreement (He's against it)
  Posted by loreldan
On News/Activism 05/17/2007 5:58:23 PM CDT · 82 replies · 1,102+ views


MittRomney.com ^ | 05-17-2007 | Mitt Romney
Boston, MA - Governor Mitt Romney issued the following statement on today's U.S. Senate agreement on immigration reform: "I strongly oppose today's bill going through the Senate. It is the wrong approach. Any legislation that allows illegal immigrants to stay in the country indefinitely, as the new 'Z-Visa' does, is a form of amnesty. That is unfair to the millions of people who have applied to legally immigrate to the U.S. "Today's Senate agreement falls short of the actions needed to both solve our country's illegal immigration problem and also strengthen our legal immigration system. Border security and a reliable...

9 posted on 05/18/2007 10:38:40 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: EternalVigilance

By August, the race will be between Fred Thompson and Mitt Romney. With Rudy a distant third, McCain dropped out, and Hunter still clinging on to the hope of his 1% standing.


10 posted on 05/18/2007 10:38:48 AM PDT by RockinRight (Fred Thompson in 2008: It can be morning in America, again.)
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To: TomGuy
Rudy the Poodle and Johnny McLame, stick a fork in them THEY ARE DONE!

I will vote for the F'n witch before those two.

11 posted on 05/18/2007 10:40:03 AM PDT by Agent Smith (Fallujah delenda est. (I wish))
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To: EternalVigilance
One extreme is what I would call the punitive approach, which is reflected in the House legislation that was passed, which is to make it a crime to be an illegal

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12 posted on 05/18/2007 10:40:13 AM PDT by mnehring (Enough with the clowns- time for a real man to step up - Fred Thompson '08)
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To: Prokopton; TomGuy

That’s now. He was singing a different not long ago. I will find it.

Of course you will argue he was talking about the 2005 McCain-Kennedy, not the identical 2007 version.


13 posted on 05/18/2007 10:41:26 AM PDT by pissant
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To: EternalVigilance
The headline is a lie, as I see it. Why should I read further?

Tell me, despite the misleading headline -- these are 2006 comments by Guiliani, has Guiliani said anything specific about the current May 2007 bill?

14 posted on 05/18/2007 10:42:50 AM PDT by bvw
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To: EternalVigilance

Thanks, Rudy. You are helping us weed out the losers.

You and McCain have fun with your third party bid, cause you ain’t getting this Republican’s vote.


15 posted on 05/18/2007 10:43:54 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound
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To: mnehrling; jimrob; Spiff; Liz; Reagan Man

Must see POST 12.


16 posted on 05/18/2007 10:43:55 AM PDT by pissant
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To: EternalVigilance
which is to make it a crime to be an illegal or undocumented immigrant; it is illegal now but it's not a crime

Can anyone explain this to me?

17 posted on 05/18/2007 10:44:10 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (Fence first! We can discuss the rest later.)
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To: bvw

I guess you missed where it says “2006” in the headline.


18 posted on 05/18/2007 10:44:13 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: pissant
Of course you will argue he was talking about the 2005 McCain-Kennedy, not the identical 2007 version.

Most of the current field of contenders of both parties are flipflopping around like a flounder out of water, like John Kerry at the Waffle House.
19 posted on 05/18/2007 10:44:23 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: pissant

Romney came out against!


20 posted on 05/18/2007 10:44:36 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Disturbin
“it is illegal now but it’s not a crime” There you have it. Ugh.

Anything you can be incarcerated for, if found guilty, is a crime. 6 months incarceration is the penalty in the U.S. Statutes for coming across the border illegally for the first time. The sentence can get stiffer for repeated violations. Illegal aliens are, by definition, criminals.

21 posted on 05/18/2007 10:44:45 AM PDT by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton
Romney's against it.

Hmm, according to Romney's words in a 2005 Boston Globe interview, "That's very different than amnesty, where you literally say, 'OK, everybody here gets to stay,' " Romney said in the interview. "It's saying you could work your way into becoming a legal resident of the country by working here without taking benefits and then applying and then paying a fine."

The article goes on: Romney did not specifically endorse McCain's bill, saying he had not yet formulated a full position on immigration. But he did speak approvingly of efforts by McCain and Bush to solve the nation's immigration crisis, calling them "reasonable proposals."

Seems like he was for it before he was against it. That seems to happen often with Massachusetts politicians...

22 posted on 05/18/2007 10:44:56 AM PDT by hunter112
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To: Ultra Sonic 007; Antoninus; Jake The Goose; twonie

Must read. Ouch

McCain AND Rudy are toast.


23 posted on 05/18/2007 10:45:14 AM PDT by pissant
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To: EternalVigilance

24 posted on 05/18/2007 10:45:29 AM PDT by Petronski (Ron Paul will never be President of the United States.)
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To: TommyDale

Too Funny! Good job!


25 posted on 05/18/2007 10:45:52 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Rudy: When you absolutely,positively need a liberal for President.)
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
Fred Thompson basically took the supporters of the new bill to the woodshed.
26 posted on 05/18/2007 10:46:06 AM PDT by mnehring (Enough with the clowns- time for a real man to step up - Fred Thompson '08)
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To: jellybean; SE Mom; RockinRight
Maybe a Fred ping is in order here. I don't know.


27 posted on 05/18/2007 10:47:34 AM PDT by Petronski (Ron Paul will never be President of the United States.)
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To: TomGuy

Yup. Most are, not all.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1835704/posts


28 posted on 05/18/2007 10:47:39 AM PDT by pissant
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To: EternalVigilance
No I did not. At the end of the line it is as much and more a lie as is the 9 thousandths of a dollar tacked onto gas prices, so the prices look a penny less than they are.

You know that everyone keys on the first few words. The technique you used is significantly misleading -- close enough to a lie to be called a lie, imo.

29 posted on 05/18/2007 10:47:54 AM PDT by bvw
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To: FreeInWV; Reagan Man; Fierce Allegiance; EternalVigilance; B Knotts; Kimberly GG; Sun; ...
On President Bill Clinton: Shortly before his last-minute endorsement of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election, Giuliani told the Post's Jack Newfield that "most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine." -Rudy! An Investigative Biography of Rudolph Giuliani, Wayne Barrett.


The Real Rudy Giuliani:

From Human Events:

Pro-Illegal Immigration

As Tom Bevan of RealClearPolitics has pointed out, Rudy is an adherent of the same approach to illegal immigration that John McCain, Ted Kennedy, George Bush, and Harry Reid have championed: "While McCain has taken heat for his support of comprehensive immigration reform, Rudy is every bit as pro-immigration as McCain - if not more so. On the O'Reilly Factor last week Giuliani argued for a "practical approach" to immigration and cited his efforts as Mayor of New York City to "regularize" illegal immigrants by providing them with access to city services like public education to "make their lives reasonable." Giuliani did say that "a tremendous amount of money should be put into the physical security" needed to stop the flow of illegal immigrants coming across the border, but his overall position on immigration is essentially indistinguishable from McCain's."

That's bad enough. But, as Michelle Malkin has revealed, under Giuliani, New York was an illegal alien sanctuary and "America's Mayor" actually sued the federal government in an effort to keep New York City employees from having to cooperate with the INS:

"When Congress enacted immigration reform laws that forbade local governments from barring employees from cooperating with the INS, Mayor Rudy Giuliani filed suit against the feds in 1997. He was rebuffed by two lower courts, which ruled that the sanctuary order amounted to special treatment for illegal aliens and were nothing more than an unlawful effort to flaunt federal enforcement efforts against illegal aliens. In January 2000, the Supreme Court rejected his appeal, but Giuliani vowed to ignore the law."

If you agree with the way that Nancy Pelosi and Company deal with illegal immigration, then you'll find the way that Rudy Giuliani tackles the issue to be right down your alley.

CLICK HERE TO READ MORE OF GIULIANI'S LEFT-WING POLITICAL POSITIONS

30 posted on 05/18/2007 10:48:25 AM PDT by NapkinUser (Rudy Giuliani gets his salsa from New York City.)
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To: bvw

I can’t help it if you’re too lazy to read to the end of a sentence.


31 posted on 05/18/2007 10:50:07 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: mnehrling

Not really.


32 posted on 05/18/2007 10:51:17 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: EternalVigilance
I wonder if the Rudy bots still think he’s the man for the job? So many of them got banned because they supported him. Now they’ve had the opportunity to see what a scumbag he really is. He’s a LIBERAL.
33 posted on 05/18/2007 10:51:19 AM PDT by NRA2BFree ("The time is near at hand which must determine whether Americans are to be free men or slaves!")
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To: Prokopton
“it is illegal now but it’s not a crime” -- Rudy Giuliani, April 25, 2006

We need to send the former Mayor a half-million copies of Funk & Wagnalls.

He would have made an comedic character on Laugh In.

34 posted on 05/18/2007 10:51:35 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: EternalVigilance
Another lie. I just said that I did read the whole sentence.

Hey ... once your start you can't stop, can you?

35 posted on 05/18/2007 10:51:52 AM PDT by bvw
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To: TommyDale

Credit where credit is do.

That’s a funny picture.


36 posted on 05/18/2007 10:51:58 AM PDT by Jake The Goose
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To: NRA2BFree

You betcha!


37 posted on 05/18/2007 10:52:07 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: NeoCaveman

“Can anyone explain this to me?”

Only with illogical, circular logic. It’s like voting for the bill, before you vote against it.


38 posted on 05/18/2007 10:52:13 AM PDT by Disturbin (Welcome to society -- morons with keys)
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To: bvw

Ask the mod to put 2006 at the beginning of the sentence if your tender sensibilities are so injured.


39 posted on 05/18/2007 10:53:23 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: EternalVigilance
Why doesn't he just run as an independent? He's too damm liberal even for democratic rank and filers. And, he's a moron to boot.

STOP AMNESTY NOW!! WE CAN DO IT!!

40 posted on 05/18/2007 10:54:40 AM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: EternalVigilance
I can’t help it if you’re too lazy to read to the end of a sentence. I've decided to contribute video for those too lazy to read. This is in reference to the 2006 version of the same bill, but I think it is still very pertinant today: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLvZT2lcPhc
41 posted on 05/18/2007 10:55:37 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: EternalVigilance

So be it.


42 posted on 05/18/2007 10:56:33 AM PDT by bvw
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To: EternalVigilance

If this is the case.........Rudy just lost the election.


43 posted on 05/18/2007 10:57:30 AM PDT by RC2
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To: EternalVigilance

“So the right answer is to do the things that have to be done to secure our borders, introduce new technology, require more of people in describing who they are, identify them effectively, fingerprint them or finger image them if you have to, photograph them, come up with cards for them, use the modern methods that we presently have for identifying people”

What rubbish! They talk about “securing the border” but what they want to do is leave the border porous, and rely on so-called technology and new beuracracies to find illegals after they get here. Are we supposed to believe they will do anything differently than they do now (ie: deport only a few per cent of them)? Or is it up to the “honor system” of hoping illegals come forward?


44 posted on 05/18/2007 10:57:37 AM PDT by Disturbin (Welcome to society -- morons with keys)
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To: Digger

Hasta La Vista Julie Annie - take McClown with you on the way out!!!!


45 posted on 05/18/2007 10:57:49 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: TheRiverNile
You bet. The same video is linked at the beginning of the article. :-)

Also here

46 posted on 05/18/2007 10:58:25 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: Prokopton

And don’t forget that the fine for using a social security number fraudulently is VERY steep. If we enforced those laws already on the books by going after employers, there would be more than enough in the kitty to build a secure border.


47 posted on 05/18/2007 11:00:43 AM PDT by Disturbin (Welcome to society -- morons with keys)
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To: EternalVigilance

I saw the 2006 in the headline. Your critics here can read more carefully. Not much diff in the 2006 amnesty bill and the 2007 amnesty bill. (Pay $5000 to become citizens? Yeah, right!)


48 posted on 05/18/2007 11:00:54 AM PDT by dynachrome ("Where am I? Where am I going? Why am I in a handbasket?")
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To: bvw

Happy?


49 posted on 05/18/2007 11:00:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: EternalVigilance

Julyani is in a free fall and he doesn’t even realize it.


50 posted on 05/18/2007 11:01:45 AM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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