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2006 - Giuliani Endorses McCain-Kennedy Immigration Reform [Amnesty]
Youtube ^ | April 25, 2006 | Rudy Giuliani

Posted on 05/18/2007 10:31:35 AM PDT by EternalVigilance

GIULIANI: And I think that, you know, we're going through a very serious debate on immigration and I think that I look at it from the point of view of how do we create more security for the United States? How do we, in an era of a war on terrorism, which is going to continue for the indefinable future, and then some of the other problems that we have, how do we create more security? And I think that either extreme is not the right answer.

One extreme is what I would call the punitive approach, which is reflected in the House legislation that was passed, which is to make it a crime to be an illegal or undocumented immigrant; it is illegal now but it's not a crime and I believe, if I recall correctly, that it would make it a five-year felony and there are 11 million illegal immigrants in the United States. It would become a law that was honored in the breach and it could not possibly be enforced.

To give you the dimensions that I remember, at least when I was the Mayor, it's estimated that there are about 400,000 people in that category in New York, it could be more now but it used to be about 400,000. The Immigration and Naturalization Service, I believe, deports about 1,500 to 2,000 people a year so I pretty quickly figured out that I was going to have 398,000 illegal immigrants no matter what the federal government did and I had to do something sensible about it rather than something stupid and kind of make it work in the society in which we exist.

Well, that's really the picture for the whole country and to deal with it in a punitive way is actually going to make us considerably less secure than we already are because the problem is that we have such a huge underground that we can't really keep account of who's here, who they are, identify them, and kind of separate the ones that are here for benign or neutral purposes, which we can argue about the competitiveness and the economy and everything else, but they're not really doing damage to our society, might even be making vast contributions to it, and then focus on the people that we have to focus on who are the people that might come here to carry out terrorist acts or to sell drugs or to commit crimes and the reason we can't do that well is that we have a system already that's unenforceable, that's unrealistic given the numbers of people that want to come here, the size of our borders, the number of resources that we could conceivably have to apply to it.

So the right answer is to do the things that have to be done to secure our borders, introduce new technology, require more of people in describing who they are, identify them effectively, fingerprint them or finger image them if you have to, photograph them, come up with cards for them, use the modern methods that we presently have for identifying people but don't try to legislate against the inevitable forces of, you know, social movement and the economy because it isn't going to work. So we have to find a way and I think that the compromise the Senate was looking at something along those lines makes sense.

Give people a way to earn citizenship, give them a way to earn citizenship in which they have to demonstrate facility with English and they have jobs and they're paying taxes and they've put themselves in an entirely legal status, recognize the economic forces that are realistic ones that require people to come into the United States or require people to have people come into the United States, and you identify them and you have them pay taxes and you find out who they are and then you concentrate on the people who are avoiding that and you'll be capable of doing that because it'll be a problem the dimensions of which you can touch and feel and measure and see and it'll be much harder for terrorists to hide in a situation like that.

And I think that the Manhattan Institute, which sort of turns on trying to figure out the logical and sensible answer to a problem, can play a big role in getting us to think about immigration in a way that it is sensible and it gets us to a resolution that makes us more secure because I think that going in either extreme is going to hurt us.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; giuliani; giulianitruthfile; immigration; openborders; rinos
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To: dynachrome

The funny part is that I followed the rules and didn’t change the headline from the source. :-)


51 posted on 05/18/2007 11:02:04 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: All

Where do Rudy’s votes (poll numbers) come from? I know of noone that personally supports him.


52 posted on 05/18/2007 11:03:00 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: EternalVigilance

I try to be. And you?


53 posted on 05/18/2007 11:03:06 AM PDT by bvw
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To: EternalVigilance

Na na na na, na na na na, hey hey, goodbye.

See ya, Rudy.


54 posted on 05/18/2007 11:03:14 AM PDT by nina0113
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To: Petronski

..[pause] a mental insitution, michael [pause]. maybe its something you ought to think about ..[chair swivels]


55 posted on 05/18/2007 11:03:52 AM PDT by HarmlessLovableFuzzball
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To: EternalVigilance

My bad...I just read the thing...haha. Oh well, never too many links.


56 posted on 05/18/2007 11:04:11 AM PDT by TheRiverNile
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To: TheRiverNile
In my family, they all think Rudy is a good choice. When I mention Fred Thompson, they say "What, the actor? What does he have to do with politics?" I explain to them that he was a Senator for 8 years and their answer is "So?"

57 posted on 05/18/2007 11:06:19 AM PDT by jonathanmo (No tag available at this time.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Good bye Rooty! You just lost any chance of getting the GOP nomination.


58 posted on 05/18/2007 11:09:07 AM PDT by Islander7 ("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
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To: RockinRight

Hey Rockin,

I was bracing myself for the eventuality of having to vote for the Mayor. No es problemo anymore. This is a pretty hot issue right now and can vault the guy with the right angle on illegals to the top of the pile.

I seriously have to question any potential candidate’s inability to read the tea leaves on this; in addition to being on the wrong side of the arguement it’s just poor judgement. Such a candidate could not be trusted to make sound judgements as President.

I don’t know about Romney and his flip flops. I got my fingers crossed for Senator Fred, but I’m afraid that Rudy is no mas.


59 posted on 05/18/2007 11:09:54 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize." -- Stephen Wright)
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To: EternalVigilance

That does it for me. Anyone but Rudy and the nut job from AZ.


60 posted on 05/18/2007 11:09:57 AM PDT by mort56
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To: EternalVigilance
One thing is sure, the next debate will hammer the border/amnesty issue and Rooty and McCain will self destruct.
61 posted on 05/18/2007 11:10:17 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: mort56

They’re off my list, too.

Go figure the swimmer torpedoes to of the “liberals most likely to succeed” with one bullet.

Thanks for flushing ‘em out, Teddy!


62 posted on 05/18/2007 11:12:38 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize." -- Stephen Wright)
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To: Prokopton

All the clauses put in this amnesty bill mean nothing because they won’t be enforced...We have been betrayed by our politicians since 1965..

Government agencies will be created under Immigration Reform..These agencies will be staffed and run by the people who were illegal or by Latinos, Chicana, Hispanic,, who still talk with heavy accents yet are legal.

Let’s face it, we have been sold out by liberal democratic politicians who have socially engineered our country to resemble a Bananna republic....it’s all for votes.

The ding bat California politicians sold out California and now they are in key positions in Washington DC...Get used to socialism or worse...

All the leaders with BALLS have been emasculated by political correctness, diversity, and gender....

When the European American becomes the minority in this country you will see persecution. Minority status and the perks that go with it will never be given to European American males...They are the bad guys....


63 posted on 05/18/2007 11:14:43 AM PDT by Old Phone Man (ks)
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To: Beagle8U

Careful now,...they may try to recraft their message after reading tomorrows polls - at least Rudy might. McCain is too deep into it to back out. He may as well save his dough and retire.


64 posted on 05/18/2007 11:14:54 AM PDT by incredulous joe ("I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize." -- Stephen Wright)
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To: TheRiverNile

:-)


65 posted on 05/18/2007 11:22:26 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: incredulous joe
10 years ago they could get away with re crafting their message on an issue and nobody would call them on it.

Now we will have them caught in their lie before they get off the stage. Every talking head on TV that will interview them after the debate will have the info on the lie emailed to them in 5 minutes.

It doesn’t work like it did 10 short years ago.

66 posted on 05/18/2007 11:23:39 AM PDT by Beagle8U (FreeRepublic -- One stop shopping ....... Its the Conservative Super Walmart for news .)
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To: EternalVigilance
I've got an idea! Why doesn't all of Congress just go home. Ted Kennedy is such a swell guy that everyone eagerly seeks out to write bipartisan garbage (amnesty, education, etc.) why doesn't Congress pack up, go home, and simply let Ted Kennedy write all the laws in our country? It would be a faster way of accomplishing what is actually occurring now anyway.
67 posted on 05/18/2007 11:25:58 AM PDT by Obadiah (Iím always relieved when someone is delivering a eulogy and I realize Iím listening to it.)
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To: Obadiah

Argh.


68 posted on 05/18/2007 11:28:19 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: EternalVigilance

69 posted on 05/18/2007 11:28:43 AM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: Prokopton; TomGuy; EternalVigilance; Spiff; capt. norm

Here’s Romney’s take in 2005.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDVKWBVk6xA


70 posted on 05/18/2007 11:29:37 AM PDT by pissant
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDVKWBVk6xA


71 posted on 05/18/2007 11:36:59 AM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
Say good-bye, Rudy....you're done.
72 posted on 05/18/2007 11:44:30 AM PDT by CT (Watch how many puff pieces the media do on Hillary before she melts.)
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To: EternalVigilance

it is illegal now but it’s not a crime

“Ah ain’t got time for this jibba-jabba.” Mr. T


73 posted on 05/18/2007 11:47:22 AM PDT by tumblindice (I picked a bad day to quit crack)
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To: EternalVigilance

Version 1 of ? on his take of the legislation? Thanks for the info!


74 posted on 05/18/2007 11:57:06 AM PDT by jedward (Mission '08 - Take back the House & Senate. No Negotiations...No Prisoners.)
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To: TomGuy

I despise this moron, Rudy!!


75 posted on 05/18/2007 11:57:32 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: mnehrling

Rudy is an IDIOT!


76 posted on 05/18/2007 11:58:43 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ( Hunter/Thompson/Thompson/Hunter in 08! "Read my lips....No new RINO's" !!)
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To: basil
Just one more nail in his coffin. I hope it gets it all nailed up soon, and just goes away.

I agree.

77 posted on 05/18/2007 11:59:58 AM PDT by D-Chivas
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To: EternalVigilance

Go post this at Wideawkes and watch the meltdown. ;o)


78 posted on 05/18/2007 12:04:28 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant

Somehow I doubt they’d let me in the door. ;-)


79 posted on 05/18/2007 12:05:04 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: Petronski

Can something like that be sent out in mass emails? Like a bumper sticker?


80 posted on 05/18/2007 12:07:57 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: EternalVigilance

Hey Rooty, this is for you for claiming it’s not a crime to be here illegally. Then explain what illegal means.

http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/youare.php


81 posted on 05/18/2007 12:09:37 PM PDT by Pinkbell (Hunter/Thompson)
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To: Pinkbell; All

Here’s the link to the transcript of the speech that heads up this thread:

http://www.manhattan-institute.org/html/ah_2006.htm


82 posted on 05/18/2007 12:12:40 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Since yesterday morning the manpower for another army division has crossed the southern border)
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To: pissant

I know so many people who are seriously struggling financially and if this crapola immigration proposal goes through and lowers wages anymore we might as well move to MEXICO! I have emailed both my Senator Mitch McConnell and Congressman Geoff Davis and plan on calling their offices and Jim Bunning. There really need to be a strong message out there to get people to understand what cheap labor will do for the wages of Americans.


83 posted on 05/18/2007 12:15:41 PM PDT by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: red irish

Keep those phones and emials burning. We need to slap then out of their stupor.


84 posted on 05/18/2007 12:16:30 PM PDT by pissant
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To: EternalVigilance

nail...coffin


85 posted on 05/18/2007 12:22:41 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: NapkinUser

Oh wow. Such a surprise that Rooty takes the liberal, America-destroying side in this.

All you Rootyphiles who think he’s soooooooooooo tough on Terror should look at this and weep.


86 posted on 05/18/2007 12:22:58 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: monkapotamus

HAH! I *LOVE* it!


87 posted on 05/18/2007 12:26:28 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: red irish

> I know so many people who are seriously struggling financially and if this crapola immigration proposal goes through and lowers wages anymore we might as well move to MEXICO!

Ya know, I don’t get it! I thought the Libs were all pro-lower/middle-class and big minimum wage hounds. Yet they support the biggest influx of cheap labor in decades!

Nobody who supports illegal amnesty is serving America. They are serving themselves, their donors, and/or their political power. And they’ll destroy this country to do it, too. GOP, Dims, everybody. They’re all corrupt b@stards!!!


88 posted on 05/18/2007 12:30:27 PM PDT by VictoryGal (Never give up, never surrender!)
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To: pissant

“Go post this at Wideawkes”

What’s the name of the site??


89 posted on 05/18/2007 12:44:50 PM PDT by wolfcreek (DON'T MESS WITH A NATION IN NEED OF MEDICATION !)
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To: red irish
Can something like that be sent out in mass emails? Like a bumper sticker?

Of course it can be emailed, it's just a ~40k jpeg file. It wouldn't be very good as a bumper sticker, but if you mean a virtual bumper sticker in an e-mail, sure. Help yourself.

90 posted on 05/18/2007 1:01:32 PM PDT by Petronski (Ron Paul will never be President of the United States.)
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To: EternalVigilance

Bye now.

It’s up to Fred. Will you run Fred?


91 posted on 05/18/2007 1:02:53 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: VictoryGal

92 posted on 05/18/2007 1:40:27 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: pissant

bttt


93 posted on 05/18/2007 1:55:20 PM PDT by Guenevere (Duncan Hunter for President, 2008!!)
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To: Petronski
As much as I disliked Rudy's positions, I didn't think that he was always wrong. Apparently he is. I think its safe to say that the Giuliani candidacy is dead.
94 posted on 05/18/2007 1:59:37 PM PDT by Old_Mil (Duncan Hunter in 2008! A Veteran, A Patriot, A Reagan Republican... http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: TommyDale

LOL Good pic.

Who here is surprised he supports this?


95 posted on 05/18/2007 3:35:02 PM PDT by 383rr (Those who choose security over liberty deserve neither- GUN CONTOL=SLAVERY)
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To: TheRiverNile
1. Nice old ladies who believe that New Yorkers are tough (only about 2% are. The rest are fops and phonies like Rudy).

2. Idiots who believe that "we must stop Hillary!" even if it meant voting for Stalin.

3. Folks who hang on Sean Hannity's every word.

96 posted on 05/18/2007 6:19:27 PM PDT by Clemenza (Rudy Giuliani, like Pesto and Seattle, belongs in the scrap heap of '90s Culture)
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To: EternalVigilance
He is sunk.
97 posted on 05/20/2007 7:19:36 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers
He is sunk.

Good. Leaky old wrecks with stuck rudders that only sail left belong on the bottom.

98 posted on 05/20/2007 7:23:03 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (GW Bush has broken the first rule of Texas politics: "Dance with the one that brung ya.")
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To: EternalVigilance

I’ll never vote for Rudy! He’s a closet RAT and bad for the Nation. My take on illegals is so extreme now that I’ll vote for the guy who closes the borders first, deports as many as possible and generally makes it his issue. Tancredo fits the bill now, but he has too many enemies, including many Freepers. Maybe it’s to be Fred, but he has not really joined the fray and may not.


99 posted on 05/20/2007 7:28:13 AM PDT by Paulus Invictus
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