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Ted Kennedy Boosts Immigration Deal
NewsMax ^ | May 18, 2007

Posted on 05/18/2007 2:58:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Congress should coalesce behind sweeping new compromise immigration legislation despite steep political obstacles because opportunities to confront the problem head-on are rare, Sen. Edward Kennedy said Friday.

Kennedy, the lead Democratic negotiator with Republicans and the White House, acknowledged widespread criticism but called it "our last-gasp stand."

The bill, which conservatives immediately attacked as an "amnesty" program, would provide a pathway to citizenship for some 12 million immigrants now in the United States illegally. It also would mandate tougher border security and workplace enforcement and provide for a guest worker program.

Critics complained that it would reward the nation's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants with a way of gaining legal status and staying in the U.S. permanently without being punished. Asked about amnesty on CBS's "The Early Show" Friday morning, Kennedy said, "That's sort of a slogan and a cliche you're going to hear a lot about." He said fixing the nation's "broken borders" is long overdue.

The bill would allow illegal immigrants to come forward right away, but they could not get visas or begin a path to citizenship until the border security improvements and a high-tech worker identification program were put in place.

After that, illegal immigrants could obtain a renewable "Z visa" that would allow them stay in the country indefinitely. After paying fees and fines totaling $5,000, they could ultimately get on track for permanent residency, which could take between eight and 13 years. Heads of households would have to return to their home countries first.

The compromise agreement marked an extraordinary marriage of liberal and conservative goals that has the potential to bridge stubborn divides. But prospects are uncertain.

For example, Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., said he will move to kill the guest worker program because it would hurt American workers.

Presidential politics could also complicate the deal's chances. Fissures among the candidates started emerging swiftly after it was announced.

"I don't know if the immigration legislation is going to bear fruit and we're going to be able to pass it," said Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., who harbored "serious concerns" about the deal.

Even if it were to survive what's certain to be a searing Senate battle, the measure would be up against long odds in the House.

Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., acknowledging deep divisions on immigration among Democrats, says she won't bring it up unless President Bush can guarantee he will produce 70 Republican backers - a tall order given GOP concerns that the bill is too lenient.

The deal came under attack from a set of lawmakers and interest groups as diverse as those that united to craft it. Their varying concerns and competing agendas - along with a challenging political environment - could be enough to unravel the painstakingly written agreement.

Two of the key players in the talks from each end of the political spectrum, Sen. Robert Menendez, D-N.J., and Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, walked away from the deal before it was announced.

"What part of illegal does the Senate not understand? Any plan that rewards illegal behavior is amnesty," said Rep. Brian Bilbray, R-Calif., chairman of the Immigration Reform Caucus.

Liberals, on the other hand, are unhappy with the proposal because it makes a far-reaching change in the immigration system that would admit future arrivals seeking to put down roots in the U.S. based on their skills, education levels and job experience - limiting the importance of family ties.

"We have concerns about the historic shift away from family unification as the backbone of our immigration system," said Kevin Appleby of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Immigrant advocacy and labor groups also oppose the terms of a new guest worker program in which low-skilled immigrants would be forced to leave the country after temporary stints and would have limited opportunities to stay and get on a path to permanent legalization.

"Without a real path to legalization, the program will exclude millions of workers and thus ensure that America will have two classes of workers, only one of which can exercise workplace rights," said John J. Sweeney, the AFL-CIO president.

Many liberal groups, which revere Kennedy as his party's decisive voice on immigration, reserved judgment on the deal, calling it a good starting point and holding out hope of improving it during next week's Senate debate. But they also voiced substantial worries.

Jorge Mursuli of People For the American Way said the measure "departs radically from America's immigration tradition of putting family reunification first. This bill also includes a future worker program that is destined for failure." Mursuli nonetheless called the plan a "solid start."


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Kill the amnesty bill!!
1 posted on 05/18/2007 2:58:39 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

-—Teddy Kennedy’s final legacy-—the death of the United States of America-—


2 posted on 05/18/2007 3:00:25 PM PDT by rellimpank (-don't believe anything the MSM states about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Presidential veto please.


3 posted on 05/18/2007 3:00:36 PM PDT by battlegearboat
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I would only support the bill if Ted Kennedy personlly transported illegal aliens across the Rio Grande.


4 posted on 05/18/2007 3:00:45 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Give it to the swimmer. What a skilled legislator he is, although he uses it to destroy the country. Imagine what someone with this kind of drive on the Republican side can accomplish.


5 posted on 05/18/2007 3:01:04 PM PDT by raj bhatia
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The compromise agreement marked an extraordinary marriage of liberal and conservative goals that has the potential to bridge stubborn divides.

Conservative goals????????????????? More like 'an extraordinary marriage of liberal-Democrat and liberal-Republican goals'.

6 posted on 05/18/2007 3:01:30 PM PDT by M203M4 (http://www.gohunter08.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Many liberal groups, which revere Kennedy as his party’s decisive voice on immigration, reserved judgment on the deal, calling it a good starting point and holding out hope of improving it during next week’s Senate debate.”

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The only way to “improve” this bill would be to scrap it.

I’m sorry, but the only solution is to return the illegals to wherever they came from and secure our borders so they and new ones don’t come in.


7 posted on 05/18/2007 3:01:51 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: battlegearboat
Presidential veto please.

Surely you can't be serious.
W wants to sign this bill in the worst way.

8 posted on 05/18/2007 3:01:54 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
...widespread criticism but called it "our last-gasp stand."

Poppycock. There are plenty of other approaches to take.

9 posted on 05/18/2007 3:01:58 PM PDT by Cementjungle
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To: rellimpank
Teddy Kennedy’s final legacy-—the death of the United States of America-

Can you point out to me where in the Constitution it says that Teddy Kennedy has absolute power over the United States Government and has the ability to force a Republican President and GOP Senators to adopt his amnesty plan?

10 posted on 05/18/2007 3:03:20 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: trumandogz

I don’t see where Kennedy is forcing anyone. Seems to me that the President and most of the rest of the powers that be in Washington want this stupid plan.


11 posted on 05/18/2007 3:05:21 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: battlegearboat
Presidential veto please. LOL!!!!!!!!

Have you ever worked one of the comedy clubs in LA or NYC?

Let us know when you are going to be on Letterman. You are really, really funny!

12 posted on 05/18/2007 3:05:56 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What if the illegal aliens, crooks, terrorists and narco-gangsters don’t want to show their real ID and become citizens? What then? How can you force criminals to become citizens? Why?

And why would they want to be citizen's if then they have to pay taxes and no longer eligible for the free ride?
13 posted on 05/18/2007 3:06:09 PM PDT by Republicus2001
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Any time you deal with Kennedy and make ANY deal you are getting screwed.
You’d have thought President Bush would have learned after he let Kennedy write his education bill. Spent too much money with NO results.
NO way to this abysmal bill.


14 posted on 05/18/2007 3:06:17 PM PDT by Joe Boucher
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Just curious; If 12 million people started robbing banks would that also lead to amnesty? Well what are we waiting for? Let`s start robbing! YEAH! So what if it`s against the law, EVERYONE is doing it!


15 posted on 05/18/2007 3:07:29 PM PDT by Screamname (The only reason time exists is so everything doesn`t happen all at once - Albert Einstein)
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To: Screamname

I DEMAND airlifts and truck runs. I am so mexicaned out. These ungrateful....PICK UP YOUR LITTER!!!!!


16 posted on 05/18/2007 3:08:13 PM PDT by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

17 posted on 05/18/2007 3:08:20 PM PDT by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’ve just emailed and faxed my Congressidiots, but I’m from Oregon so I know it will just fall on deaf ears. I’m so livid...

NO AMNESTY!


18 posted on 05/18/2007 3:08:33 PM PDT by Evie Munchkin (Democrats - Party of death and taxes)
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To: fatnotlazy

Yes, I understand that. It is easy to blame Teddy but Dubya is eating it up and will happily sign this bill.


19 posted on 05/18/2007 3:08:39 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Notice that all the employers who hired illegal aliens in former times get off the hook. That’s the amnesty that counts and it’s worth millions of bucks to all the politicians who came up with this piece of legislation.


20 posted on 05/18/2007 3:09:00 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: rellimpank

Yep


21 posted on 05/18/2007 3:09:22 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Screamname

Right. If you or I break the law and are caught, we pay a fine, go to jail, or in more heinous cases, we are executed. How is it that these illegals can come in here, break the law, and get amnesty (not to mention assorted other benefits too)?

What part of the word “illegal” don’t our so-called leaders understand?


22 posted on 05/18/2007 3:09:35 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“putting family reunification first” is for U.S. citizens, not the whole Mexican country. These guys are nuts and should all be recalled before they give away our country. If the illegals don’t like it, that’s too bad........it’s our country, not theirs and they have no rights here.


23 posted on 05/18/2007 3:09:41 PM PDT by RC2
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To: battlegearboat

That will never happen. Dubya seems to have a problem with certain bills, especially ones that Kennedy worked on.


24 posted on 05/18/2007 3:10:15 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The fact that Ted Kennedy supports this bill does not help its credibility, to state the obvious.


25 posted on 05/18/2007 3:11:25 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (If the GOP were to stop worshiping Free Trade as if it were a religion, they'd win every election)
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To: battlegearboat
Presidential veto please.

Precisely the problem.

26 posted on 05/18/2007 3:11:31 PM PDT by atomicpossum (Replies must follow approved guidelines or you will be kill-filed without appeal.)
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To: battlegearboat

Geo. W. Bush could care less that the citizens of this country do not want this bill to be signed.


27 posted on 05/18/2007 3:11:33 PM PDT by Dustbunny (The BIBLE - Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)
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To: Evie Munchkin

I’ve just emailed and faxed my Congressidiots, but I’m from Oregon so I know it will just fall on deaf ears. I’m so livid...

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Did the same here, but I’m represented by two Democrats and a RINO. So my efforts won’t help the cause itself...but at the very least, I felt better just letting them know exactly how I feel.


28 posted on 05/18/2007 3:11:36 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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To: rellimpank; All

Tell your Senators, The White House and Congressman what you think about this amnesty bill”

U.S. Senate switchboard: (202) 224-3121

U.S. House switchboard: (202) 225-3121

White House comments: (202) 456-1111

Find your House Rep.: http://www.house.gov/writerep

Find your US Senators: http://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm


29 posted on 05/18/2007 3:14:16 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: Dustbunny

I hope FR has the decency soon to take down that ridiculous “Day in the life of” Bush-worship photo thread. It’s becoming a serious affront to conservatives to keep that sort of garbage here.

Or perhaps they should add a “Day in the life of Ted Kennedy” so sad idiots can coo over more than one alcoholic anti-American hack politician.


30 posted on 05/18/2007 3:17:09 PM PDT by RodgerD (Mexico-Merger is Treason. Those who bring it about are traitors.)
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To: rellimpank
20th century DNCers LBJ, RFK, and EMK laying the groundwork for America's GOP-led 21st century demise:
The 1965 Immigration Act

31 posted on 05/18/2007 3:20:57 PM PDT by James W. Fannin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If that fat bastard, Kennedy is for the plan, it is BAD for AMERICA!!!!


32 posted on 05/18/2007 3:23:10 PM PDT by GoldenPup
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To: James W. Fannin

Tht isn’t RFK in that photo, it’s Teddy.


33 posted on 05/18/2007 3:24:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: battlegearboat
Presidential veto please.

A veto would only happen if the presidenté wanted to protect US sovereignty.

Jorge absolutely wants amnesty.

You can safely bet the kid's college fund that there will be NO VETO.

34 posted on 05/18/2007 3:26:23 PM PDT by JOAT
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To: battlegearboat
“Presidential veto please.”

For the Bush-Kennedy sink the United States plan?

I hope you’re being sarcastic.

35 posted on 05/18/2007 3:26:45 PM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: James W. Fannin

Oh, I see now, it’s both Teddy and RFK, with LBJ as prez...


36 posted on 05/18/2007 3:27:01 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
President Lyndon B. Johnson (center) signs the sweeping immigration bill of 1965 into law at a ceremony on Liberty Island, Oct. 4, 1965. Sen. Edward Kennedy and his brother, Sen. Robert Kennedy, are seen at right. © Bettmann/CORBIS (source: npr.org)
37 posted on 05/18/2007 3:27:10 PM PDT by James W. Fannin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Heads of households would have to return to their home countries first.

Nice, leave the wife and kids behind to go on welfare while the breadwinner returns to Mexico.

38 posted on 05/18/2007 3:27:24 PM PDT by GatorGirl
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To: Dustbunny
Dubya seems to have a problem with certain bills, especially ones that Kennedy worked on.

Yeah, I'm starting to think Teddy's got pictures that Dubya doesn't want made public.

39 posted on 05/18/2007 3:28:42 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think it will die because there is something in it for everyone to hate and there aren’t enough centrists to make it pass.


40 posted on 05/18/2007 3:31:24 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (NBC News - the preferred network of assassins and terrorists.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“He said fixing the nation’s “broken borders” is long overdue.”

He said fixing the nation’s “broken LAWS” is long overdue.

Fixed.


41 posted on 05/18/2007 3:31:57 PM PDT by FReepapalooza
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To: RodgerD

I hope FR has the decency soon to take down that ridiculous “Day in the life of” Bush-worship photo thread. It’s becoming a serious affront to conservatives to keep that sort of garbage here.

***

To be fair, there are many who admire the President and would support him no matter what. Their desire to express that admiration should not be diminished. Also, I think it’s a nice gesture to have this thread, especially since there are so many out there who get great satisfaction trying to hamstring him at every turn. To me it’s an affront to watch so many revile and disrespect him and his office.

That said, I too am disappointed with his stand (or lack thereof) on this issue. For me, it’s really the only major quibble I have with him. I think he’s a good President for the most part and that eventually, he will be proven right, particularly about Iraq and the War on Terror. I just hope such recognition will occur in his lifetime.


42 posted on 05/18/2007 3:33:42 PM PDT by fatnotlazy
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When you can’t even get a majority in either house to SUPPORT OUR TROOPS, how do you expect them to pass a third-rail bill like this? It’s D.O.A., as the Dems always liked to say about our budgets.


43 posted on 05/18/2007 3:34:05 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (NBC News - the preferred network of assassins and terrorists.)
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To: Paleo Conservative
President Bush is eager to sign a bill that isn't even written yet.
44 posted on 05/18/2007 3:34:30 PM PDT by HoosierHawk
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To: Evie Munchkin

I sent an email to the President too. It won’t even be read him. I always get that response that “due to heavy volumne, yada, yada.” Well, I specifically ASKED for a response after one of my earlier emails and got nothing. I’m sorry. I now feel like there is NO ONE working for us. NO ONE. This is a disgraceful time for the United States of America and all involved in this should be ashamed. I know I am.... OF THEM.


45 posted on 05/18/2007 3:43:56 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Seems to me the fastest way to get the families together is to send them back.


46 posted on 05/18/2007 3:46:56 PM PDT by Bob J (nks)
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To: cubreporter

Write or call, emails seem to be ignored.


47 posted on 05/18/2007 3:48:27 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Fred Thompson/John Bolton 2008)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

yes, we have been sending email since 2000.
We have NEVER received a response. Guess we are not important enough or a celebrity. Just our votes are important. No more.


48 posted on 05/18/2007 4:21:29 PM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Paleo Conservative
"I would only support the bill if Ted Kennedy personlly transported illegal aliens across the Rio Grande."

AND, resettled them in Hyannisport, Massachusetts, right in his "Kennedy Compound"!!

That fat degenerate sleazy lying piece of sewage needs to live with the consequences of his actions. Mary Jo Kopechne should have her grave moved to the center of the Kennedy rec room.

49 posted on 05/18/2007 4:21:36 PM PDT by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: fatnotlazy

Idiot


50 posted on 05/18/2007 4:21:49 PM PDT by RodgerD (Mexico-Merger is Treason. Those who bring it about are traitors.)
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