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1 posted on 05/20/2007 9:05:36 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk

When Ron Paul says it, he is branded as the anti-Christ here. When Wolfy says essentially the same thing, nobody notices.


2 posted on 05/20/2007 9:06:39 AM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
Ron Paul was and is right.

I wonder how many people will keep burying their heads in the Saudi sand after Wolfy's statement...

7 posted on 05/20/2007 9:13:22 AM PDT by Maeve (Do you have supplies for an extended emergency? Be prepared! Pray!)
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To: Captain Kirk

And as soon as we removed our forces, al-Qaeda attacked Saudi Arabia. Does Ron Paul have an answer for that as well?

I wish he would stop being a shill for the enemy.


8 posted on 05/20/2007 9:32:32 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: Captain Kirk; Maeve

They say Ron Paul also believe the myth about the North American Union. Is that true?

Why does he think the government will create a new Gulf of Tonkin incident with Iran?

And why does he continuously appear on conspiricy shows? Is he a Truther as they say?


9 posted on 05/20/2007 9:36:32 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: Captain Kirk

They are both idiots.


11 posted on 05/20/2007 10:00:43 AM PDT by pissant
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To: Captain Kirk
U.S. Bases in Saudi Arabia Encourage Al Qaeda)

What -- and U.S. bases in Iraq don't?

How f#%&ing stupid can this guy possibly be?

15 posted on 05/20/2007 10:35:29 AM PDT by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: Captain Kirk; Maeve; CrawDaddyCA; Irontank; CondorFlight; Alberta's Child
Perhaps instead of mindlessly clinging to your Cold War Era dogmas, you all might FINALLY learn something about Iraq? The world is a VASTLY different place then when the political dogmas you cling so feverishly to were formed. Please, ONE time would you all quit screaming your 1950s era dogmas and try actually joining the 21st Century?

Instead of clinging feverishly to your dogmas, try actually reading and learning something about the world.

Quit just screaming down anything that does agree with your emotion based preconceived notions about the world.

Why Iraq

One of the really infuriating things in modern politics is the level of disinformation, misinformation, demagoguery and out right lying going on about the mission in Iraq. Democrats have spent the last 3+ years lying about Iraq out of a political calculation. The assumption is that the natural isolationist mindset of the average American voter, linked to the inherent Anti Americanism (what is misnamed the "Anti War movement") of the more feverish Democrat activists (especially those running the US's National "News" media) would restore them to national political dominance. The truth is the Democrat Party Leadership has simply lacked the courage to speak truth to whiners. The truth is that even if Al Gore won the 2000 election and 09-11 still happened we would be doing the EXACT same things in Iraq we are doing now.

Based on the political situation in the region left over from the 1991 Gulf War plus the domestic political consensus built up in BOTH parties since 1991 as well as fundamental military strategic laws, there was NO viable strategic choice for the US but to take out Iraq after finishing the initial operations in Afghanistan.

To start with Saddam's Iraq was our most immediate threat. We could NOT commit significant military forces to another battle with Saddam hovering undefeated on our flank nor could we leave significant forces watching Saddam. The political containment of Iraq was breaking down. That what Oil for Food was all about. Oil for Food was an attempt by Iraq to break out of it's diplomatic isolation and slip the shackles the UN Sanctions put on it's military. There there was the US Strategic position to consider.

The War on Islamic Fascism is different sort of war. in facing this Asymmetrical threat, we have a hidden foe, spread out across a geographically diverse area, with covert sources of supply. Since we cannot go everywhere they hide out, in fact often cannot even locate them until the engage us, we need to draw them out of hiding into a kill zone.

Iraq is that kill zone. That is the true brilliance of the Iraq strategy. We draw the terrorists out of their world wide hiding places onto a battlefield they have to fight on for political reasons (The "Holy" soil of the Arabian peninsula) where they have to pit their weakest ability (Conventional Military combat power) against our greatest strength (ability to call down unbelievable amounts of firepower) where they will primarily have to fight other forces (the Iraqi Security forces) in a battlefield that is mostly neutral in terms of guerrilla warfare. (Iraqi-mostly open terrain as opposed to guerrilla friendly areas like the mountains of Afghanistan or the jungles of SE Asia).

Did any of the critics of liberating Iraq ever look at a map? Iraq, for which we had the political, legal and moral justifications to attack, is the strategic high ground of the Middle East. A Geographic barrier that severs ground communication between Iran and Syria apart as well as providing another front of attack in either state or into Saudi Arabia if needed.

There were other reasons to do Iraq but here is the strategic military reason we are in Iraq. We have taken, an maintain the initiative from the Terrorists. They are playing OUR game on ground of OUR choosing.

Problem is Counter Insurgency is SLOW and painful. Often a case of 3 steps forward, two steps back. One has to wonder if the American people have either the emotional maturity, nor the intellect" to understand. It's so much easier to spew made for TV slogans like "No Blood for Oil" or "We support the Troops, bring them home" or dumbest of all "We are creating terrorists" then to actually THINK.

Westerners in general, and the US citizens in particular seem to have trouble grasping the fundamental fact of this foe. These Islamic Fascists have NO desire to co-exist with them. The extremists see all this PC posturing by the Hysteric Left as a sign that we are weak. Since they want us dead, weakness encourages them. There is simply no way to coexist with people who completely believe their "god" will reward them for killing us.

So we can covert to Islam, die or kill them. Iraq is about killing enough of them to make the rest of the Jihadists realize we are serious. They same way killing enough Germans, Italians and Japanese eliminated the ideologies of Nazism, Fascism and Bushido.

Americans need to understand how Bin Laden and his ilk view us. In the Arab world the USA is considered a big wimp. We have run away so many times. Lebanon, the Kurds, the Iraqis in 1991, the Iranians, Somalia, Clinton all thru the 1990s etc etc etc. The Jihadists think we will run again. In fact they are counting on it. That way they can run around screaming "We beat the American just like the Russians, come join us in Jihad" and recruit the next round of "holy warriors". Iraq is also a show place where we show the Muslim world that there are a lines they cannot cross. On 9-11-01 they crossed that line and we can, and will, destroy them for it -

If you will not fight for the right when you can easily win without bloodshed; if you will not fight when your victory will be sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a small chance of survival. There may even be a worse case: you may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves."

Winston Churchill

29 posted on 05/20/2007 12:30:50 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (If you will try being smarter, I will try being nicer.)
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Oh my, would you just look at what Paul Wolfowitz has to say.

In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina.

34 posted on 05/20/2007 1:34:36 PM PDT by philman_36
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So, where you trying to pass this off a something new, Cap'n, or did you really not know that the American military has been out of Saudi Arabia for years now?

In any case, Admin Moderator, please correct the falsely attributed publication date for this article. It should be May 09, 2003, not May 09, 2007.

35 posted on 05/20/2007 1:39:31 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Quick, someone call RINO One Note Rudy Guiliani so he can compare Wolfovitz wih a Arab shiek!


43 posted on 05/21/2007 3:42:23 PM PDT by jackieaxe (This one hour pre-flight security screening is brought to you by the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia)
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