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To: MNJohnnie
Tehran Paul is doing the same thing Tokyo Rose did during WW2 and it is utterly pathetic that supposed Conservatives are making excuses for his idiocy

I really can't understand your position. Seeing as how OBL has cited the sanctions against and bombing of Iraq as one of the 3 or 4 reasons AQ "declared war" on the US in 1998...again cited it as one of the 3 reasons in his speech in October 2001...seeing as how the 9/11 Commission cited it as one of the 3 reasons...seeing as how Mike Scheurer has noted again and again the OBL has used the American bombing of Iraq to great effect for years in his public statements...seeing as how FBI Special Agent James Fitzgerald testified before the 9/11 Commission about AQ that: "I believe they feel a sense of outrage against the United States. They identify with the Palestinian problem, they identify with people who oppose repressive regimes, and I believe they tend to focus their anger on the United States"...seeing as how virtually every AQ expert as far as I can tell (Michael Doran, Jason Burke, Richard Clarke, Michael Scheurer, etc.) all will note the AQ has based its campaign against the US on a short list of political grievances against the US government (I say "note" because I don't think this is a controversial point...I don't know of any objective analysts arguing that AQ is attacking the US because, as Giuliani professes to believe, we have freedom of religion and women's rights)...seeing as how the Department of Defense has stated that the "US invites (a term that Ron Paul did not use) attacks on America because of its presence"....

What is it? You guys sound like you refuse to let any facts get in the way of your opinion...that you want to be kept ignorant by the US government...you don't want to know what motivates those who threaten the American people...you dismiss every expert as a "Jew-hater", an "America-hater", a "traitor", a "leftist" when they note facts and opinions that you don't want to hear...stop worrying about what the left is saying...whether they're right or wrong on this issue doesn't change the facts...worry about why your government insists on telling us that AQ hates "us" (I don't consider the US government and me as "us"...seeing as how they forcibly take half my money and constantly seek to further exercise control over me and my family) because of how "free we are"

33 posted on 05/20/2007 12:45:34 PM PDT by Irontank (Ron Paul for President)
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To: Irontank
...worry about why your government insists on telling us that AQ hates "us" (I don't consider the US government and me as "us"...seeing as how they forcibly take half my money and constantly seek to further exercise control over me and my family) because of how "free we are"

Um. What?

Do you dispute the fact that al Qaeda, Bin Laden, Zawahiri, and like minded jihadists and radical Islamists generally, from Sayyid Qutb to the present, have prominently and repeatedly cited democracy as one of the major threats/conspiracies from the West?

38 posted on 05/20/2007 2:04:07 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
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