Posted on 05/20/2007 9:30:57 AM PDT by doug from upland
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Images of Fetal Development
The following images were presented to Fr. Frank Pavone, at the time he was working at the Vatican, by a team of experts from Poland. The experts presented them also to Pope John Paul II.
Priests for Life is grateful to Professor Andrzej Skawina (Collegium Medicum Jagiellonian University, Krakow) and Dr. Antoni Marsinek, MD (Czerwiakowski Gynecological and Obstetrics Hospital, Krakow) for making these images available, and to the Zrodlo Foundation, Wychowawca Department, for the permission to use them.
We encourage pro-life groups and individuals to use these images, keeping in mind the words that pollster Harrison Hickman spoke to the 1989 conference of the National Abortion Rights Action League, "Nothing has been as damaging to our cause as the advances in technology which have allowed pictures of the developing fetus, because people now talk about that fetus in much different terms than they did fifteen years ago. They talk about it as a human being, which is not something that I have an easy answer how to cure."
CAVEAT: I am a commercial real estate broker, writer, and businessman. I have no medical training and don't play a doctor on television. But I am pretty sure that I seeing a developing human baby here.
AT SEVEN WEEKS:
"Upon these two foundations, the law of nature and the law of revelation, depend all human laws; that is to say, no human laws should be suffered [permitted] to contradict these." - Sir William Blackstone
"A free people claim their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." - Thomas Jefferson
"[It is] God who gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a Gift of God?" - Thomas Jefferson
God, the One Who made you, and me, and every other human being who ever lived, not the State, is the author of "Rights," according to "the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God," regardless of what the ACLU, or you, would lead us to believe.
Again, I ask, why then is it murder for you to kill a pregnant woman's baby?
If I could figure out how to do it I would post her pic.
send it to me in an email.... you have FReepmail
On what basis would make that argument, though? If such a decision is based solely upon your will, it is meaningless and cannot stand for long.
Actually, they think the cold stainless steel table shocked her heart, sort of the way really cold ice water does to someone whose heart has slowed way down.
Our God given rights precede our birth and even our conception:
Psalm 139
13 For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother’s womb.
14 I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made;
your works are wonderful,
I know that full well.
15 My frame was not hidden from you
when I was made in the secret place.
When I was woven together in the depths of the earth,
16 your eyes saw my unformed body.
All the days ordained for me
were written in your book
before one of them came to be.
Jeremiah 1:4-5
The Call of Jeremiah
4 The word of the LORD came to me, saying,
5 “Before I formed you in the womb I knew [a] you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”
One year old.
How many times do I have to say we need a moral society? When God brings people to a moral viewpoint it is great. I have no problem with the government reflecting the morality of the people that created it.
People have to bring morality to the table of self government. The government can not force people to be moral, once force comes into play, morals are gone in my opinion. People have to be good and obey the law because they want to.
Your attempted character assassination of what I am saying by linking it to some sort of "godless, communistic, animalistic, ideology" is just a lot of garbage. I was speaking in general terms that were inclusive of the part religion played in the development of our society. How many time can I say it? We need to be moral, and that includes respecting the rights and property of others. We need to realize that rights are merely concepts, rules of the game, and the game can be easily cheated. This is why the Founding Fathers said our rights were inherent, [God was crossed out and replaced with Creator.] and set up limits upon the government to try to prevent the government from ignoring our rights.
Just as people have to find it in their hearts to accept the Lord, they must find it in their hearts to want to live by the rules, to lead a moral life, not because they are forced or bribed to, but simply because they want to.
People doing the right thing simply because the want to, is one of the frameworks of a solid prosperous society, not the only framework.
Abortion is wrong because it does not respect the rights that we share with all people, I am including the little one in the womb as a person. These rights are never conferred upon the little guy, they are just recognized as being there by definition. You know, inherent.
It's the only framework, and people just won't do what is right without God. If everyone is a law unto themselves, if "rights are only in our heads," the whole house falls down. That's what's been happening in America now for decades.
1 Peter
13Submit yourselves for the Lord's sake to every authority instituted among men: whether to the king, as the supreme authority, 14or to governors, who are sent by him to punish those who do wrong and to commend those who do right. 15For it is God's will that by doing good you should silence the ignorant talk of foolish men. 16Live as free men, but do not use your freedom as a cover-up for evil; live as servants of God. 17Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.
That’s exactly what I ask all those “pro-choice murderers” when they tell me that abortion is about “choice”! I ask them.....How could Scott Peterson be convicted of 2 murders - Lacy & Conner - when he “only killed Lacy and a fetus”? They generally walk away mumbling to themselves.
Yep. Liberalism has no basis in reality.
As recorded in the Journals of the Continental Congress the Rev. Mr. Jacob Duche, an Episcopal clergyman, was invited to open the First Congress with prayer which was held in Carpenters' Hall in Philadelphia, PA. The Rev. Mr. Duche first read Psalms 35 from the Psalter for the Seventh day of September, 1774, then proceeded to extemporaneously pray the following prayer:
"Be Thou present O God of Wisdom, and direct the counsel of this Honorable Assembly; enable them to settle all things on the best and surest foundations; that the scene of blood may be speedily closed; that Order, Harmony and Peace may be effectually restored, and that Truth and Justice, Religion and Piety, prevail and flourish among the people. Preserve the health of their bodies, and the vigor of their minds, shower down on them, and the millions they here represent, such temporal blessings as Thou seeth expedient for them in this world, and crown them with everlasting Glory in the world to come. All this we ask in the Name and through the merits of Jesus Christ, Thy Son and our Savior, Amen."
Washington was kneeling there, and Henry, Randolph, Rutledge, Lee, and Jay, and by their side there stood bowed in reverence, the Puritan Patriots of New England, who at that moment had reason to believe that an armed soldiery was wasting their humble households. It was believed that Boston had been bombarded and destroyed.
They prayed fervently "for America, for Congress, for the Province of Massachusetts Bay, and especially for the town of Boston," and who can realize the emotion with which they turned imploringly to Heaven for Divine interposition and - "It was enough" says Mr. Adams, "to melt a heart of stone. I saw the tears gush into the eyes of the old, grave pacific Quakers of Philadelphia."
In December 1944, American soldiers were fighting desperately against the last great German offensive of World War II, the Battle of the Bulge. Men were dying in large numbers. The counterattack had bogged down in mud and rain. Planes could not fly because of low clouds. General George Patton, commander of the Third Army, called his chaplain into his headquarters and said:
Chaplain, I want you to publish a prayer for good weather. I’m tired of these soldiers having to fight mud and floods as well as Germans. See if we can’t get God to work on our side. . . .
Chaplain James O’Neill: May I say, General, that it usually isn’t a customary thing among men of my profession to pray for clear weather to kill fellow men.
Patton: Chaplain, are you teaching me theology or are you the Chaplain of the Third Army? I want a prayer.
O’Neill: Yes, sir.
The prayer was printed on a card and distributed to every soldier of the Third Army. It read:
Almighty and most merciful God, we humbly beseech thee, of thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon thee that, armed with thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies, and establish thy justice among men and nations. Amen.
An editor’s footnote in Patton’s memoirs tells what happened next: “The day after the prayer was issued, the weather cleared and remained perfect for about six days. Enough to allow the Allies to break the backbone of the German offensive and turn a temporary setback for the Allies into a crushing defeat for the enemy.”1
Patton’s request for a weather prayer perhaps sounds flippant or even impious. But at bottom Patton was completely serious. He was convinced that God was on the side of America, justice, and liberty against Hitler’s regime of tyranny, slavery, and mass murder. The cause of America was the cause of liberty and God. Therefore it was perfectly reasonable to order the chaplain, a paid official of the government, to ask for God’s aid in the great war against Hitler.
Or was it?
Many Americans would agree with Chaplain O’Neill that religion has no business supporting a political cause, especially not a war. Christianity in particular seems to call for peace, not war; love of enemies, not their death; and care for all mankind, not just one’s own people. God does not take sides, it seems, in quarrels among nations.
In today’s view, not only should religion should keep its distance from government; above all, government should keep its distance from religion. In 1947, the Supreme Court ruled, for the first time, that it is unconstitutional for government “to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion.”2 Although the Court has not always applied that dictum consistently — military chaplains are still permitted — it has largely guided government policy ever since.
Today’s view is the opposite of that of America’s Founders. Like General Patton, they believed that God was pro-liberty. They also believed that there are many occasions when government should “teach or practice religion.”
Until the Vietnam War in the 1960s, Americans have never hesitated to issue official prayers for victory. During the Revolutionary War, Congress prayed for God “to smile upon us in the prosecution of a just and necessary war for the defense and establishment of our inalienable rights and liberties” — including the right to religious liberty. As we will see, the Founders’ understanding of liberty was consistent with, and in fact called for, weather prayers and their equivalents.
http://www.claremont.org/publications/pubid.669/pub_detail.asp
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