Posted on 05/21/2007 12:32:22 AM PDT by goldstategop
Sure he can. He can look at the ID and decide whether it looks real to him or not. That's a choice. He can also decide if the person standing in front of him looks like the photo on the ID despite changes in appearance.
Either the ID meets the requirements according to his knowledge, or it does not.
That's my point, he's making a decision, and that decision is based on a belief regarding the ID.
You would have to say the machine has faith and "believes" the ID is real.
Human beings are not machines.
For the rest of this, you are still using the word "faith" to cover many other terms.
I'm sure you have faith that statement is true. ;)
Do you realize the difference between a choice and a decision based on facts?
That's my point, he's making a decision, and that decision is based on a belief regarding the ID.
Yes, it is a decision, not a choice. Choice is will, decisions like this are based on the facts. He doesn't have to believe it has the hologram, he sees the hologram or the absence of one. The only choice he can make is to ignore the facts, as in the earlier bribe example.
I'm sure you have faith that statement is true.
None at all, zero, zip, nada, nichts. I'm going by the evidence of your use of the word in place of other, more appropriate terms.
A decision includes interpretation of the facts, and that interpretation is colored by the individual's beliefs, which means there is faith involved in decison making.
Yes, it is a decision, not a choice.
A decision and a choice are basically the same thing. The bartender makes a decision that the ID is real or fake. That means he is making a choice to believe it is real or fake.
The only choice he can make is to ignore the facts, as in the earlier bribe example.
Providing there is a hologram on the ID, and providing he has faith that no one has found a way to duplicate the hologram, and providing that he believes the person holding the ID is the same person pictured on it.
I'm going by the evidence of your use of the word in place of other, more appropriate terms.
You are going by your interpretations of what I've posted, and those interpretations are colored by your beliefs.
If you let it. The bartender has no beliefs involved though. He doesn't have to "believe" an ID is fake. He has specific criteria that tell him it is.
That means he is making a choice to believe it is real or fake.
No belief. It is or it isn't according to the criteria.
Have a great day.
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