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New toll road hype in Oklahoma
WorldNetDaily ^ | May 21, 2007 | Jerome Corsi (Cue Spooky Music...)

Posted on 05/21/2007 4:21:51 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Robert Poole, a mechanical engineer who has advised the administrations of George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton and George W. Bush to privatize U.S. highways,

estimates that more than $25 billion in Public-Private-Partnership (PPP) highway projects are planned or approved in the United States.

Now, a prominent Oklahoma state representative has invited Poole to promote his PPP toll road ideas, a move evidently designed to counter growing citizen opposition.

Poole Lobbies for PPP Highways in Oklahoma

Oklahoma House Speaker, Republican Lance Cargill, the founder of a group known as The 100 Ideas Initiative, has invited Poole to give a June 13 luncheon speech at

Spirit Bank in Tulsa.

Oklahoma activists opposed to the construction of NAFTA superhighway toll roads have objected that bringing a "heavy-hitter" like Poole to Oklahoma signals that state politicians are already lining up with investment bankers in a

PPP plan designed to bring the Texas Department of Transportation's Trans-Texas Corridor into their state.

Poole's luncheon speech will be introduced by opening remarks from Cargill.

Beginning in Feb. 2007, Cargill has been holding a series of town hall meetings across Oklahoma promoting the development of "100 Ideas of Innovation for Oklahoma's Second Century." At the end of 2007, Cargill plans to

publish a book on the 100 Ideas theme. The "100 Ideas" website notes that "the book will serve as an agenda for Speaker Cargill and as a plan for Oklahoma's second century."

WND has already reported that Republican Oklahoma state Sen. Randy Brogdon has entered a bill (HB1819) that would require the

Oklahoma Department of Transportation (ODOT) to withdraw from North America's Super-Corridor Coalition, Inc. and to block any moves to build a NAFTA superhighway like the Trans-Texas Corridor in Oklahoma.

NASCO is a Dallas-based trade association that promotes Interstate Highways 35, 29 and 94 as an international trade corridor.

NASCO adamantly objects to any suggestion that the trade organization supports the construction of any new NAFTA superhighway, although it has consistently refused to accept challenges to oppose the Trans-Texas Corridor

plans of their TxDOT member. According to the NASCO website, the State of Oklahoma is also a member of the trade group.

Federal Highway Administration Pushes PPP

WND has reported that the Federal Highway Administration (FHWA) is promoting public-private partnerships to bring private capital to

expanding superhighway projects, consistent with extending Trans-Texas Corridor-35 north into Oklahoma.

A FHWA website dedicated to PPP projects presents case studies for state highway administrators to study, as well as sample "Comprehensive Development Agreements" (CDAs)

that are required to implement PPP highway development contracts.

PPP projects in the United States can be dated back to Executive Order No. 12803 which President George H. W. Bush signed on April 30, 1992. This mandate cleared federal barriers for cities and states to lease public works

infrastructure to private investors.

PPP Controversies Develop Overseas

Poole argues that as the U.S. highway market matures, we are certain to see "the emergence of domestic toll road companies." He notes that in addition to foreign capital consortia, "financial institutions have been creating multi-

billion-dollar infrastructure investment funds, so these deals will soon be tapping U.S. capital in a major way."

In some international markets, evidence is mounting to discredit PPP methodologies as a "debt free" way governments fund superhighway toll

roads.

In New South Wales, Australia, the government responded to public protests over the high tolls imposed by the PPP-funded Cross-City Tunnel, forcing the NSW government to reopen routes that had been closed in order to

guarantee the profits of the private operator.

Another Australia case involves the Scoresby Freeway in Victoria, Australia, where the cost of buying the PPP lease operator out of their

high toll rates was estimated at some $7 billion, even though the costs of constructing the freeway was estimated at $2.5 billion. The differences were attributed for "compensating private investors for bearing risk that properly belongs

with the public."

Poole Background

Typically planned to be operated as toll ways, PPP deals involve Wall Street investment bankers earning huge fees to attract foreign capital for new highways or to lease existing highways, with the plan to operate these PPP

highways as toll roads under long-term leases.

As WND has previously reported, the Trans-Texas Corridor involves a new four-football-fields-wide car-truck-train-pipeline corridor

planned to be built parallel to Interstate 35 from Laredo, Texas, to the Texas border with Oklahoma.

Trans-Texas Corridor-35 is being financed by Cintra Concesiones de Infraestructuras de Transporte, S.A., http://www.cintra.es/ a Spanish investment consortium.

WND has also reported that Cintra's bid to finance and operate the new TTC-35 NAFTA superhighway has been advised by the Houston

law firm Bracewell & Giuliani , the law firm of Republican Party presidential hopeful Rudy Giuliani.

In 1978, Poole founded the libertarian Reason Foundation. The Reason Foundation website claims that Poole coined the term "privatization" in his 1980 book "Cutting Back City

Hall."

A critical article in the leftist journal Mother Jones noted that Poole's estimate of $25 billion in PPP highway projects are planned or approved

in the U.S. was "remarkable," especially given that as of 1991 the total cost of the interstate highway system was estimated at $128.9 billion.


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events; US: Oklahoma; US: Texas
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1 posted on 05/21/2007 4:21:53 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: TxDOT; 1066AD; 185JHP; Abcdefg; Adrastus; Alamo-Girl; antivenom; AprilfromTexas; B4Ranch; B-Chan; ..

Trans-Texas Corridor PING


2 posted on 05/21/2007 4:26:24 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Isn’t it interesting that these private toll roads are being promoted from border to border and Cintra is involved in each part of it.

Something reallt smells about this whole thing. You ping list should be modified to included some Northern states already aquired by Cintra.


3 posted on 05/21/2007 4:33:33 AM PDT by southlake_hoosier (.... One Nation, Under God.......)
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To: southlake_hoosier
That's kind of like saying open sky agreements are being promoted around the world and United is involved in each part of it.
4 posted on 05/21/2007 4:37:11 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

bump


5 posted on 05/21/2007 4:39:02 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

BTTT


6 posted on 05/21/2007 4:43:00 AM PDT by E.G.C.
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To: E.G.C.; Calpernia

El Bumpo de Mexico!


7 posted on 05/21/2007 4:54:26 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I can’t help but keep wondering, what on earth is Giuliani’s connection to Spain? There must be something else besides Cintra, no?


8 posted on 05/21/2007 4:55:48 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Calpernia

Beats me.


9 posted on 05/21/2007 4:57:08 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Who or what maintains these Public-Private-Partnership roads?

Who or what is involved security for these roads?

Are taxpayers liable for acts committed by PPP?

How are the easements handled?

How large are these easements?

Who or what controls the easement property?

Are these easements for sale by PPP partners?

Are PPPs subject to NEPA?


10 posted on 05/21/2007 5:01:12 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Give Hillary a 50 coupon for Betty Crocker's devils food mix & tell her to go home and bake a cake)
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To: Calpernia

“what on earth is Giuliani’s connection to Spain?”

Bracewell/Guiliani represents Cintra in their bid for the TTC.


11 posted on 05/21/2007 5:01:25 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Calling Libs *rats* is offensive to rodents!)
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To: Calpernia

Not to mention Hugo’s CITGO


12 posted on 05/21/2007 5:06:21 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Calling Libs *rats* is offensive to rodents!)
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To: wolfcreek

More here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1837076/posts


13 posted on 05/21/2007 5:49:34 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Water:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1837076/posts


14 posted on 05/21/2007 5:49:52 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Already squeezing Oklahoma...

What a freakshow these people really are...


15 posted on 05/21/2007 6:38:23 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Houston Area Texans (I've always been hated))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


16 posted on 05/21/2007 8:47:49 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: 1rudeboy
That's kind of like saying open sky agreements are being promoted around the world and United is involved in each part of it.

Our public sky is for sale you know. The congress appears intent on exchanging fuel taxes for user fees to fund the FAA and air traffic control. The unstated reason is to allow ATC to be handed off to a private corporation who will charge per flight, just as turnpikes charge per trip.

This is Corporate Welfare at it's worst. Renting public property to a single private company for a monopolistic business with no price controls in sight.

17 posted on 05/21/2007 11:04:26 AM PDT by narby
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To: narby
This is Corporate Welfare at it's worst. Renting public property to a single private company for a monopolistic business with no price controls in sight.

Sounds like a pretty good argument for a stronger central government.

18 posted on 05/21/2007 11:06:24 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Alamo-Girl

You’re welcome. :-)


19 posted on 05/21/2007 11:10:20 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Will I be suspended again for this remark?)
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To: 1rudeboy

“Renting public property to a single private company for a monopolistic business with no price controls in sight.”

IIRC, monopolies were outlawed some time ago. Just another Fed law not being observed?


20 posted on 05/21/2007 11:52:24 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Calling Libs *rats* is hate-speech against rodents.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

this is a scam for rich international investors.


21 posted on 05/21/2007 5:52:31 PM PDT by ken21 (tv: 1. sells products. 2. indoctrinates viewers into socialism.)
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To: ken21

I still want to know who or what is behind Cintra. Mulsim money? Chinese? The Spanish sure don’t have this kind of change just sitting around.


22 posted on 05/21/2007 8:31:50 PM PDT by biff
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To: 1rudeboy
Sounds like a pretty good argument for a stronger central government.

In the case of the current "FAA reauthorization", it's the Congress that is setting up Air Traffic Control to be "privatized", meaning a private company is allowed to take profit from the natural monopoly of ATC.

Private companies have already taken over in Canada and Europe, and the user fees they charge have almost entirely destroyed general aviation that's affordable by non-millionares. All that's left in Europe are the ultralight hobbyists. Your standard Cessna 172s or Beechcraft Bonanzas are all but gone.

The US airlines are standing in line to set up their private ATC, and are itching to destroy the advancing "Very Light Jet" market, before the VLJs can take away their first class business.

The sad thing is we've got the technology in hand to almost totally automate ATC, that would give the freedom to pilots to get clearances automatically. I fear the technology will be put on infinite hold. The FAA claims they need the changes to build their "NEXTGEN" ATC, but won't say what the technology is. But you can get a hint at what it isn't, because they're even now beginning a rapid hiring binge of new controllers to actually increase the number of people in ATC, rather than automate it and reduce numbers. I'm sure the unions love it.

23 posted on 05/22/2007 5:43:54 AM PDT by narby
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To: biff; Toddsterpatriot; expat_panama; nopardons
I still want to know who or what is behind Cintra. Mulsim money? Chinese? The Spanish sure don’t have this kind of change just sitting around.

OMGSTFULOL
Do you blame everything you cannot understand on the Chinese, or the Muslims? A majority stake in Cintra is held by Grupo Ferrovial, S.A. Both are publicly-traded companies on the Madrid Stock Exchange. Bet you're wondering how the Spaniards can have a stock exchange when they don't have running water or electricity.

24 posted on 05/22/2007 6:18:44 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

Easy going there bubba. If we need to we can draw pistols at 10 yards.

It still does not explain the money behind them. Why, it appears until proven other wise, does Cintra have its’ little pinkie involved in all these new toll roads in North America? Including Canada and now Oklahoma. Just because it is a publicly traded company does not mean something is not sinister in their intentions.

Their operations in Canada have proven to be a disaster for the Canucks with sky high tolls.

Your handle is appropriate, at least you know what you are.


25 posted on 05/22/2007 6:42:48 AM PDT by biff
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To: biff
Why, it appears until proven other wise, does Cintra have its’ little pinkie involved in all these new toll roads in North America? Including Canada and now Oklahoma.

Maybe they have experience building and operating toll roads? LOL!

You think Muslims back Cintra so they can build IEDs into the roads?

Just because it is a publicly traded company does not mean something is not sinister in their intentions.

Wow, something sinister. Like what?

26 posted on 05/22/2007 6:47:01 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: biff
Their operations in Canada have proven to be a disaster for the Canucks with sky high tolls.

That's because the Canadians don't know how to draft a contract. The Chicago Skyway is operating quite nicely, and this summer I'll get to (repeatedly) see how the Indiana Toll Road is doing. Looking forward to it, actually . . . Cintra runs a tight ship.

And my original comment stands. You admit to know nothing, and speculate about the Chinese (or Muslims). Why not space aliens?

27 posted on 05/22/2007 6:47:04 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Toddsterpatriot

Ever heard of Enron? World Comm? Ah, thought everybody had!


28 posted on 05/22/2007 9:22:00 AM PDT by biff
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To: biff
Cintra’s secret, sinister plan is to go bankrupt? Well, as long as their check clears.....
29 posted on 05/22/2007 9:23:09 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: 1rudeboy

I just feel that we have paid once for our highways and they should belong to Americans.

And don’t say our fuel taxes would not pay for new roads and upkeep to the old ones. If the thiefs in Washington would use the money for what it was intended, there would be plenty. Just like Social Insecruity.


30 posted on 05/22/2007 9:24:53 AM PDT by biff
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To: Toddsterpatriot

They just want OUR money.


31 posted on 05/22/2007 10:07:42 AM PDT by biff
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To: biff
Yeah, that capitalism thing just makes me feel dirty.
32 posted on 05/22/2007 10:32:41 AM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: biff

So your problem is the fact that the funding (tax) system is broken. Complaining that someone found an alternative method of financing is an odd way of trying to solve it.


33 posted on 05/22/2007 10:50:13 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Good grief—Oklahoma is already chock full o’ toll roads. You practically have to pay a toll to get to the restroom here. We don’t need another toll road.


34 posted on 05/22/2007 2:46:13 PM PDT by I'm ALL Right! (THOMPSON '08)
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To: 1rudeboy; Toddsterpatriot; biff
This is a hoot!

As it happens I'm in central Texas right now visiting liberal in-laws, and there was a big meeting at the high school cafeteria a little while ago because this Spanish company was thinking of putting the road right past our family farm.  I'm telling you, the NIMBY's went absolutely psychodelic!

My brother-in-law was commenting on the 100 year toll rights and saying that the company was going to make 'excessive' profits.  I suggested that he and I buy up stock in the company so we could be on the inside track for this super-sweet deal but he declined. 

The profits are going to be too much for those evil foreign CEO's, but not excessive enough for him to consider taking on the risk...

35 posted on 05/22/2007 3:16:50 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
The profits are going to be too much for those evil foreign CEO's, but not excessive enough for him to consider taking on the risk...

It's easier to whine than to risk your own money.

36 posted on 05/22/2007 3:27:19 PM PDT by Toddsterpatriot (Why are protectionists (and goldbugs) so bad at math?)
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To: I'm ALL Right!

I oppose toll roads categorically and refuse to travel on them. You don’t need to use the toll roads; just take the side roads.

Why do I oppose toll roads? Because we already pay a tax on gasoline and diesel fuel to fund the roads. The tolls simply represent a double tax. If state transportation departments need more money to construct and maintain roads, then state legislatures should use the existing fuel tax revenues exclusively for that purpose without redefining the word “road” so broadly as to include social-welfare spending.


37 posted on 05/23/2007 6:37:42 PM PDT by dufekin (Name the leader of our enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, terrorist dictator)
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