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Dems to send Bush no-timeline war bill
AP on Yahoo ^ | 5/21/07 | David Espo - ap

Posted on 05/21/2007 1:14:27 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

WASHINGTON - In grudging concessions to President Bush, Democrats intend to draft an Iraq war-funding bill without a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops and shorn of billions of dollars in spending on domestic programs, officials said Monday.

The legislation would include the first federal minimum wage increase in more than a decade, a top priority for the Democrats who took control of Congress in January, the officials added.

While details remain subject to change, the measure is designed to close the books by Friday on a bruising veto fight between Bush and the Democratic-controlled Congress over the war. It would provide funds for military operations in Iraq through Sept. 30, the end of the fiscal year.

Democrats in both houses are expected to seek other opportunities to challenge Bush's handling of the unpopular conflict later this year.

Democratic officials stressed the legislation was subject to change. They spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss provisions before a planned presentation to members of the party's rank and file later in the day.

Democrats in Congress have insisted for months they would not give Bush a blank check for his war policies, and officials said the legislation is expected to include political and military goals for the Iraqi government to meet toward establishment of a more democratic society.

Failure to make progress toward the goals could cost the Iraqis some of the reconstruction aid the United States has promised, although it was not clear whether Democrats intended to give Bush power to order the aid to be spent regardless of progress.

Several officials said it was possible that Democrats would attempt to draft a second bill, to include much of the domestic spending that Bush and congressional Republicans have said they oppose.

Either way, Democratic leaders have said they hope to clear a war spending bill through both houses of Congress and send it to Bush's desk by week's end. They added the intention was to avoid a veto.

Bush vetoed one bill this spring after Democrats included a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S. troops in Iraq, and Republicans in the House upheld his rejection of the measure.

The House then passed legislation to provide war funds in two 60-day installments. Bush threatened a veto, and the measure was sidetracked in the Senate in favor of a non-controversial bill that merely pledged to give the troops the resources they need.

That set the stage for the current House-Senate negotiations on a measure to send to Bush.


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1 posted on 05/21/2007 1:14:29 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Did they blink? Or am I missing something?


2 posted on 05/21/2007 1:15:08 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They've screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, now they're here screwing up ours.)
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Democratic officials stressed the legislation was subject to change. They spoke on condition of anonymity, saying they were not authorized to discuss provisions before a planned presentation to members of the party’s rank and file later in the day.

Mum’s the word, OK? anonymous sources and all. ;-)


3 posted on 05/21/2007 1:16:02 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... For want of a few good men, a once great nation was lost.)
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To: 3AngelaD
hmmmm - Amnesty bill for a war budget bill? Hmmmm
4 posted on 05/21/2007 1:17:03 PM PDT by WorkerbeeCitizen (Anti Islam and a Global Warming denier - piss on Islam)
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To: 3AngelaD

Blinked for now, and start the fight all over again in Sept.

Dems are severely overplaying their hand.


5 posted on 05/21/2007 1:17:39 PM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: 3AngelaD

They didn’t blink. They’ll attack from a different direction Did you notice the war funding bill will include a minimum wage increase. Two different subjects, even though not ‘PORK’. The wart funding bill should be clan without and other issues. But no it will not be.


6 posted on 05/21/2007 1:18:14 PM PDT by K-oneTexas (I'm not a judge and there ain't enough of me to be a jury. (Zell Miller, A National Party No More))
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To: 3AngelaD
I do not think the Dems need to blink with Bush.

Bush has already signed on to Amnesty, No Child Left Behind, Free Prescription Drugs, Campaign Finance Reform, the Law of the Sea and he will soon agree to Benchmarks for iraq.

Bush is blinking so fast, he appears to be asleep.

7 posted on 05/21/2007 1:19:04 PM PDT by trumandogz
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Bump to that..it was the first thing I thought of when I read the title of the thread.


8 posted on 05/21/2007 1:20:03 PM PDT by Mrs.Liberty (Anyone who is more afraid for his own safety over the life of an unborn child is a coward)
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To: NormsRevenge
The legislation would include the first federal minimum wage increase in more than a decade

Well, at least there is no pork in it. < /sarcasm >

Union contracts are tied to minimum wage and that is what that is all about.

9 posted on 05/21/2007 1:20:22 PM PDT by N. Theknow (Kennedys - Can't drive, can't fly, can't ski, can't skipper a boat - But they know what's best.)
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To: 3AngelaD

They blinked. This Iraq fight has been dragging the Dems down in the polls, along with Bush. They want to move on to their domestic pet causes.


10 posted on 05/21/2007 1:20:59 PM PDT by Omega Man II
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In grudging concessions to President Bush, Democrats intend to draft an Iraq war-funding bill without a timeline for the withdrawal of U.S. troops and shorn of billions of dollars in spending on domestic programs, officials said Monday.

BWAHHHHH hahahaha!

11 posted on 05/21/2007 1:21:14 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: NormsRevenge

Where’s the trick? RATS don’t send a treat without a trick being under the table.


12 posted on 05/21/2007 1:22:21 PM PDT by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: NormsRevenge
I am sure Bush and the Dems made a deal.

Bush supports amnesty and the Dems support a no time line bill.....

13 posted on 05/21/2007 1:22:40 PM PDT by TheCause (Let the lord of the black land come forth...let justice be done upon him!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Mum’s the word, OK? anonymous sources and all.

Yep! We're not authorized to say anything but here's the scoop. We're going to send President Bush the spending bill he originally wanted but we showed the leftie wacko's we fought him.

14 posted on 05/21/2007 1:24:03 PM PDT by jazusamo (http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/DefendOurMarines.htm)
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To: trumandogz
"Bush is blinking so fast, he appears to be asleep."

Ha....maybe he got close and uptight with Poloski that he caught that eye blinking thingy she does.

Watch out if he ever catches head bobbing from Shrillary.

15 posted on 05/21/2007 1:24:05 PM PDT by spokeshave ("Hitlery is uniting the country. Everybody hates her.")
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
"hmmmm - Amnesty bill for a war budget bill? Hmmmm"

Yep! The Democrats no longer need the full blown moonbat vote in 2008, they'll have 12 million new Democratic voters this 2008 election.

16 posted on 05/21/2007 1:24:14 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Omega Man II

Also, I have to think that a Gaza style retreat and then re-invasion in the middle of a Dem Presidential term is a senerio that they wouldn’t care for.


17 posted on 05/21/2007 1:24:18 PM PDT by Wiseghy ("You want to break this army? Then break your word to it.")
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To: K-oneTexas

Yeah, the ‘germane’ness.


18 posted on 05/21/2007 1:24:24 PM PDT by txhurl
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To: lilylangtree

See mny post #16


19 posted on 05/21/2007 1:24:46 PM PDT by avacado
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To: NormsRevenge

I want to see the legislation


20 posted on 05/21/2007 1:24:55 PM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: lilylangtree

See my post #16


21 posted on 05/21/2007 1:24:56 PM PDT by avacado
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To: NormsRevenge

And I thought Pelosi was incapable of blinking.


22 posted on 05/21/2007 1:25:32 PM PDT by Busywhiskers (Sargeant Major.....distribute the rest of the ammunition.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
hmmmm - Amnesty bill for a war budget bill? Hmmmm

Yep!

23 posted on 05/21/2007 1:26:05 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Thanks congress and President Bush, I'm feeling very non-multi-culti today!)
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To: NormsRevenge

The Dems consider Iraq to be their best issue against Republicans in the ‘08 elections. Despite all the bluster in recent months, the very last thing the Dems actually want is our soldiers to come home. If that happened, their best issue goes up in smoke. The Dems want to be seen trying to bring the troops home, but being blocked by Bush and the Republicans. That way they can say, “see, we tried, but without more seats in Congress and the Oval Office itself, there’s nothing we can do.” This will be their campaign all next year. And unless Iraq looks a hell of a lot better than it does now (and I doubt it), their plan will work like a charm. Tack on to that the Bush/GOP sellout on immigration and 2008 is looking pretty bleak for Repubicans.


24 posted on 05/21/2007 1:27:26 PM PDT by harmodius
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To: 3AngelaD

They didn’t blink. That was the plan all along.


25 posted on 05/21/2007 1:27:58 PM PDT by Quicksilver (MassResistance is futile)
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To: Quicksilver

And a great plan it was. Drag it out until their numbers are as low as Bush’s.


26 posted on 05/21/2007 1:29:06 PM PDT by 3AngelaD (They've screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, now they're here screwing up ours.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Lets see how much time the DBM gives this tonight... and especially... how they spin it!
28 posted on 05/21/2007 1:30:23 PM PDT by johnny7 ("Issue in Doubt." -Col. David Monroe Shoup, USMC 1943)
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To: avacado
The Democrats no longer need the full blown moonbat vote in 2008, they'll have 12 million new Democratic voters this 2008 election.

Hey, hold on there speedy! Why, the new amnesty immigration bill requires that each illegal alien undocumented worker pay fines, return to his homeland country of origin, obtain the "Z Visa", sneak across the border return under a guest worker program, etc. There's no way he could get all that done in time to vote Democrat!!

</sarcasm>

29 posted on 05/21/2007 1:32:40 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: bnelson44
The RATS want to avoid a public battering that the Administration has in store for them over Memorial Day weekend if they do not promptly fund the troops.
30 posted on 05/21/2007 1:33:54 PM PDT by mwl1
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To: harmodius
The Dems consider Iraq to be their best issue against Republicans in the ‘08 elections. Despite all the bluster in recent months, the very last thing the Dems actually want is our soldiers to come home. If that happened, their best issue goes up in smoke. The Dems want to be seen trying to bring the troops home, but being blocked by Bush and the Republicans. That way they can say, “see, we tried, but without more seats in Congress and the Oval Office itself, there’s nothing we can do.” This will be their campaign all next year. And unless Iraq looks a hell of a lot better than it does now (and I doubt it), their plan will work like a charm. Tack on to that the Bush/GOP sellout on immigration and 2008 is looking pretty bleak for Repubicans.

Brilliant. You got it.

The only way to trump the Dims is to win this war before 2008, now that we have the money.

31 posted on 05/21/2007 1:34:11 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: randog

You’re right... but I was thinking, the amnesty bill will sway more of the latino population who are US citizens to the Democratic voter base. I believe Bush got 40% of the latino vote in 2004 and the Democrats are probably banking on being able to pick up a chunk of that with the new amnesty bill.


32 posted on 05/21/2007 1:36:31 PM PDT by avacado
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To: 3AngelaD

Yep ... and Bush’s numbers are taking more hits on immigration.


33 posted on 05/21/2007 1:36:38 PM PDT by Quicksilver
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To: Sleeping Beauty

It’s analogous to Vietnam in 1972. Only some of the troops need to be home, but the tide of the war must be demonstrably in our favor, even with the MSM bias against the Administration.


34 posted on 05/21/2007 1:40:09 PM PDT by mwl1
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen
hmmmm - Amnesty bill for a war budget bill? Hmmmm

- = - = -

My thought, precisely

35 posted on 05/21/2007 1:40:55 PM PDT by MrRights
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To: NormsRevenge

And now we see the by-product of the amnesty bill.


36 posted on 05/21/2007 1:44:17 PM PDT by El Gran Salseron (The World-Famous, popular DJ and FReeper Canteen Certified, Equal-Opportunity, Male-Chauvinist-Pig!)
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To: mwl1
It’s analogous to Vietnam in 1972. Only some of the troops need to be home, but the tide of the war must be demonstrably in our favor, even with the MSM bias against the Administration.

Agreed. And I hope this administration is still loyal to the Republican party -- and is willing to facilitate this perception for the sake of the 2008 elections.

37 posted on 05/21/2007 1:44:45 PM PDT by Sleeping Beauty
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To: NormsRevenge

Well at least The war will be funded for FOUR MONTHS I’m sure this makes our troops feel better!!!! Makes the terrorists feel better too!!! This Bill was about a minimum wage increase period. This type of political showmanship is SICKENING. To think we’re going to have to put up with this crap till 2008???? My God, where is this sick country headed???


38 posted on 05/21/2007 1:45:17 PM PDT by PEACE ENFORCER (Liberals; People That are So Open minded Their Brains Have Fallen Out !)
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To: NormsRevenge

I would check the fine print and also look for invisible ink ...


39 posted on 05/21/2007 1:45:33 PM PDT by clamper1797 (Fred Thompson Duncan Hunter in 2008)
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To: avacado

Yes, you’re correct. I was just agreeing with you in a sarcastic way.


40 posted on 05/21/2007 1:47:03 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: All

President Bush knows what he is doing. He is a smart man. He held out and now he will get the funding he needs for the troops with no timeline.

And he is trying to save the GOP by passing an immigration bill that will help us with the hispanic vote in 2008 so we can keep the White House and get the Senate back.

Go President Bush!


41 posted on 05/21/2007 1:48:59 PM PDT by ClarenceThomasfan (In 2008 Republicans will unite around Guiliani, McCain or Romney and whoop Hillary in a Landslide!!)
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To: 3AngelaD
They did blink and we are so fortunate for A. The Founding Fathers who gave the veto power for the President. B. For the Strong leadership of President Bush.

God bless President Bush. God bless our troops. God bless America.

42 posted on 05/21/2007 1:51:06 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: ClarenceThomasfan

The immigration bill under consideration will be a disaster for the Republican Party.

For every alien offered citizenship, those who vote will break 3:1 for the RATS from coast to coast.


43 posted on 05/21/2007 1:52:51 PM PDT by mwl1
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To: HamiltonJay

The 90 to 100 billions dollars bill will go at least for June of 2008. The President, our brave troops, the minority of Patriots, and of course America won this very important battle of funding the troops.


44 posted on 05/21/2007 1:53:18 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: NormsRevenge
the first federal minimum wage increase in more than a decade

What is the Federal cost of this? Guess: $0 + printing cost.

45 posted on 05/21/2007 1:53:36 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Treaty)
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To: jveritas

I wish you were right. The fiscal year of the federal govt runs from October 1 - September 30. This funding will only last through September 30.


46 posted on 05/21/2007 1:55:02 PM PDT by mwl1
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To: NormsRevenge; All
AHAHAHAH DU and Moveon is going to EXPLODE! Bush Wins AGAIN!
47 posted on 05/21/2007 1:57:54 PM PDT by cdnerds (cdnerds.com)
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To: trumandogz
President Bush is the one who suggested bench marks for Iraq long time ago before any one else suggested it and the Iraqi governments agreed on those bench marks.

The President did not blink on "No Child Left behind", "Illegal immigration" or "Drug Prescription" for some citizens, he proposed it and he campaigned on it and he won the Presidency twice. Campaign Finance Reform is in my opinion the most overrated "scare tactics" used by our side. The Law of Sea is another overly misunderstood treaty that has been changed to the US favor 10 years ago, but some people on our side are totally hysteric and do not want to get the facts, but just blame the President for everything.

Go and ask the "So Powerful Democrats" as you see them, how many issues that they campaigned on in 2006 passed the Congress let alone how many were signed by the President. You will find that out that "The Super Democrats" as your knee jerk character see them, are much, much, much weaker than they appear to be or as their media, and the knee jerk conservatives make them to be.

48 posted on 05/21/2007 2:02:16 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: mwl1
OK let us pose simple arithmetic.

The war in Iraq cost 2 billions dollars a week, thus 100 billion dollars funds means it will last 50 weeks. If by June the President sign the new 100 billion bill which has no surrender date, then this bill will last till June of 2008.

49 posted on 05/21/2007 2:04:18 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: NormsRevenge

"WAIT! Does this mean I can't ram it down Bush's throat?
50 posted on 05/21/2007 2:07:33 PM PDT by Bommer (Global Warming: The only warming phenomena that occurs in the Summer and ends in the Winter!)
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