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Ten Myths of the War in Iraq
Blackfive ^ | 5/21/07

Posted on 05/22/2007 7:08:23 AM PDT by bnelson44

Personal views of:
Brigadier General Steve Anderson
Deputy Chief of Staff
Resources and Sustainment
Multi-National Force - Iraq

A Powerpoint Presentation presented at: James Madison University, 27 Apr 07

Purpose
-Present unvarnished viewpoint of soldier serving in Iraq in Baghdad for previous 8 months
-Provide insights on Operation Iraqi Freedom that may run counter to how many presently view the war
-Promote understanding of what many believe is “the defining political-military event of this generation”
-Engage in candid discussion with students, faculty and other attendees regarding OIF

Here is the presentation


TOPICS: Extended News; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq
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PowerPoint detailing 10 myths about the Iraq War that is awful persuasive.

HatTip Cannoneer No. 4!

1 posted on 05/22/2007 7:08:25 AM PDT by bnelson44
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To: bnelson44

I loved this. I have a friend in the Military who sent me this a couple weeks ago. It’s great!!


2 posted on 05/22/2007 7:11:49 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Stay together, pay the solders and forget everything else." Lucius Septimus Severus)
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To: bnelson44
Other myths......it is called Propaganda.

1.Your President is lying to you.
2.This war is illegal.
3.You cannot win the war.
4.You have lost this war.

We've got a real problem when 35% of Democrats believe President Bush knew about the 9/11 attacks in advance.........how many are on the Soros payroll in order to keep those lies alive..........

3 posted on 05/22/2007 7:17:24 AM PDT by yoe ( NO THIRD TERM FOR THE CLINTON'S!!!)
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To: bnelson44

The biggest myth is that Iraq is a war on terrorism. The war against AQ and bin Laden is still unfinished. Iraq is a war on Islamofascism, whatever the hell that is.


4 posted on 05/22/2007 7:21:17 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: ex-snook

The biggest myth is that Iraq is a war on terrorism

Why do you say it’s not?


5 posted on 05/22/2007 7:26:39 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: bnelson44

If there is a Freeper Congress or RNC staffer out there ... how about getting this presentation delivered on the floor so it gets into he Congressional record?


6 posted on 05/22/2007 7:32:26 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: bnelson44

A masterpiece. Thanks for the post.


7 posted on 05/22/2007 7:35:25 AM PDT by deputac (NYPD & FDNY: The Other Twin Towers of New York)
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To: Valin

Terrorism is just a name. Enemies have to be identified.


8 posted on 05/22/2007 7:35:50 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: SandRat; Allegra

You might want to spread this around.


9 posted on 05/22/2007 7:36:54 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: bnelson44
Add in former Senator Bob Kerrey's words, The Left’s Iraq Muddle
10 posted on 05/22/2007 7:39:06 AM PDT by DakotaRed (Liberals don't rattle sabers, they wave white flags)
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To: ex-snook

A point that while true, is not really relevant.


11 posted on 05/22/2007 7:39:06 AM PDT by Valin (History takes time. It is not an instant thing.)
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To: bnelson44
The presentation states that “Religious Fanaticism” is not unique to Iraq and mentions Jim Jones as one of the examples of such religious baddies here in the US.

Jim Jones was NOT a religious fanatic. Read the transcripts of his last recorded harangues as his people are drinking the Kool Aid. He begs them to die like good Socialists and to their screams remarks that such terror is not the way for communists to die. There was no time for religious talk while “Revolutionary Suicide” was taking place.

Let’s chalk up Jim Jones as one firmly in the camp of Marxism and not of any sort of church other than a front for politics and race mixing as a fetish.

12 posted on 05/22/2007 7:39:41 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Yeah, I noticed that ... and the author also put in abortion clinic bombers. While there may be the very rare case of such a nut ... given the extreme rarity of those people compared to Islam, I find it hard to make some kind of equivolency between them and Islamic suicide bombers.

As to the rest of the presentation ... it has alot of good stuff in it but ignores the most basic issue that will determine our success or failure ... and that is domestic American politics. This is a war of wills, ours versus our enemies. They cannot beat us in a show of force or even in a war of attrition all other things being equal. But, they can break our will to fight. That is the key thing right now ... and this presentation ignores that key part of the war equation. Have we lost ... NO, can we win ... YES, will we win .... given our political climate I’d say the odds are against us. We are our worst enemy in this fight.


13 posted on 05/22/2007 7:50:14 AM PDT by Mac94
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To: bnelson44

Myth # 1.
There is a War.

War was never declared.

Myth # 2
We are loosing.

We have achieved our major goals.

Myth # 3
Leaving now is surrender.

We won, let’s go home or into Iran.


14 posted on 05/22/2007 7:54:50 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: ex-snook
Islamofascism is the term coined by our strategic communications people, such as they are, to identify the fanatical, misogynistic, donkey-raping, stuck-in-the 7th Century, Jew-hating, Nazi-worshipping MUSLIM BAD GUYS who have been at war with Western Christendom for 1400 years, and at war with America since 1979 (Iran), 1906 (Morocco), 1899-1913 (Philippines), 1804-1815 (Barbary Pirates). Do you have a better term for them?

We aren't really at war with the IRA, or the ETA, or the LTTE, because they have been smart enough not to draw our wrath.

15 posted on 05/22/2007 8:05:10 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: bnelson44

This is good and makes one wonder again why this administration is not getting the real truth out to the American public.

One question re troop equipment. Why not equip all troops with GPS devices?


16 posted on 05/22/2007 8:05:21 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you again Jimmy Carter.)
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To: bnelson44

Thanks for posting this. I hope it gets widest dissemination throughout FR and on to lots of email lists.


17 posted on 05/22/2007 8:06:50 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: Mac94
“...Have we lost ... NO, can we win ... YES, will we win .... given our political climate I’d say the odds are against us. We are our worst enemy in this fight...”

Yes it looks like the Army has almost pulled off the impossible mission of establishing a “republic” (imperfect as all are and fragile as all republics are) in Iraq. But the victory should have been declared when Baghdad Bob fled and later when Saddam fell through the trap door. A stable government after we depart is not what earmarks victory.

18 posted on 05/22/2007 8:07:58 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: ex-snook
"Iraq is a war on Islamofascism, whatever the hell that is."

Are you kidding around or don't you really understand that virtually all acts of 'terrorism' committed in the world today are done by Islamofacists (Islamists)?

19 posted on 05/22/2007 8:08:17 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: nikos1121

Are you talking about tagging troops with GPS homers?

Because Russia could break the code, sell the technology to Iran and Iran will give it to the terrorists.


20 posted on 05/22/2007 8:09:17 AM PDT by bnelson44 (http://www.appealforcourage.org)
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To: CJ Wolf
"Myth # 1. There is a War. War was never declared."

And neither was Vietnam a war because it 'wasn't declared!!? I think anyone who has been there and come back to talk about it would disagree with you. I looked up the definition of "war" and the dictionary made no reference to congress having to bestow its approval upon a violent scenario before it can be called a war.

21 posted on 05/22/2007 8:19:19 AM PDT by Hoof Hearted
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To: CJ Wolf
There is a war going on out here, CJ, and while there was no formal December 7, 1941-style declaration, there WAS

SEC. 3. AUTHORIZATION FOR USE OF UNITED STATES ARMED FORCES.

(a) AUTHORIZATION. The President is authorized to use the Armed Forces of the United States as he determines to be necessary and appropriate in order to

(1) defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and

(2) enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq.

We haven't won until the enemy admits it. We aren't done.

We can't muster up support for what we have on our plate now. Invading Iran, while satisfying to fantasize about, is probably beyond our capabilities right now.

22 posted on 05/22/2007 8:29:49 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: bnelson44

HOw would Russian break the code? You could activate them in the event of capture...


23 posted on 05/22/2007 8:34:32 AM PDT by nikos1121 (Thank you again Jimmy Carter.)
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To: af_vet_rr; ALOHA RONNIE; American in Israel; American Soldier; archy; armymarinemom; bad company; ..

ping


24 posted on 05/22/2007 8:39:42 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

So according to that wonderful resolution, we are fighting a UN war. That in its self is reason to barf.

The Iraq enemy is dead, Saddam is gone, he’s party is dead, his sons are dead. They have held free elections, The Iraq war is over. Iran and others are sending weapons and people in to fight us. Until we move into and kill the source, these rodents will continue to sting us. We need to keep moving.

Iran and Iraq fought each other to a stalemate over eight years. We took Iraq in mere weeks. It’s bs to say we can’t take Iran in the same time.


25 posted on 05/22/2007 8:43:19 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

BTW according to Bush’s AG, it’s not a war.


26 posted on 05/22/2007 8:45:25 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: intenseracer; 2ndDivisionVet; Lurker; roaddog727; MizSterious; Tainan; AliVeritas; Liberty Wins; ...

Comments?


27 posted on 05/22/2007 8:46:16 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: bnelson44

great stuff bump


28 posted on 05/22/2007 8:48:32 AM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty: The Pendleton 8...down to 3..GWB, we hardly knew ye...)
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To: CJ Wolf
OK, General Patton, what are you going to take Iran with?

Once you take Iran, what are you going to do with it?

29 posted on 05/22/2007 8:49:50 AM PDT by Cannoneer No. 4 (Civilian Irregular Information Defense Group http://cannoneerno4.wordpress.com)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

We have about 120,000 troops in Iraq we could move them in. We take the capital and get rid of the government. I don’t want to do anything with Iran, except lay it to waste. Then we march into Afghanistan with our whole number of troops and find Bin Laden.

/Armchair-General


30 posted on 05/22/2007 8:59:48 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: Valin

Exactly right.


31 posted on 05/22/2007 9:02:59 AM PDT by StarCMC (Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Lots of armchair generals around, huh?


32 posted on 05/22/2007 9:05:24 AM PDT by StarCMC (Honor military recruiters in all 50 states ~ May 19, 2007 ~ http://gatheringofeagles.org/?p=257)
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To: Monterrosa-24

I met Jim Jones once before he moved south of the border (some gathering of community “leaders”). I did not feel he was religious at all—he seemed more con-man than religious. This might not have been the best example for him to use.


33 posted on 05/22/2007 9:07:40 AM PDT by MizSterious (Anonymous sources often means "the voices in my head told me.")
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To: bnelson44; Cannoneer No. 4
Yes, this went around here about a week ago.

I agree with everything in that presentation.

I'm sure it will be played on CNN, MSNBC, etc. soon, right? ;-)

34 posted on 05/22/2007 9:21:34 AM PDT by Allegra (Socks.)
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To: MizSterious

It is very interesting that you met the man. I read Tim Reiterman’s book RAVEN. He did lots of good research but left out most of Jones’ recorded last words. I guess it was just too damaging to socialism for the Bay area types.


35 posted on 05/22/2007 9:22:28 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 05/22/2007 9:24:29 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: All

THE BIG MYTHS ABOUT IRAQ ARE DEBUNKED HERE :

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1sx7x_saddams-secrets

AND HERE

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwD3DCiIpO8


37 posted on 05/22/2007 9:27:20 AM PDT by drzz
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To: bnelson44

bump


38 posted on 05/22/2007 11:31:52 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: yoe; jveritas
Other myths......it is called Propaganda.

1.Your President is lying to you.
2.This war is illegal.
3.You cannot win the war.
4.You have lost this war.

Yeah know, when I read that list of yours, I first thought what kind of evil would propagate such vile things about this great country... and then I quickly realized that it is Americans propagating that, and even worse, it's being propagated by a party that wants into Presidential power. Good God! Please "macho-conservatives", do not stay home on election 2008. There is no lesson to be taught to anyone by letting a Democrat become Commander in Chief of the Armed Forces. NONE!

39 posted on 05/22/2007 11:38:14 AM PDT by avacado
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To: Monterrosa-24
Jim Jones was NOT a religious fanatic. Read the transcripts of his last recorded harangues as his people are drinking the Kool Aid. He begs them to die like good Socialists and to their screams remarks that such terror is not the way for communists to die.

A strong argument can be made that Socialism is a religion for people who don't believe in God.

40 posted on 05/22/2007 12:05:33 PM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: CJ Wolf

Myth No. 1: War was never declared.

Congress authorized the use of force in a resolution. Saying it is not a declaration of war because it does not say “Declaration of War” on the letterhead is a distinction without a difference.


41 posted on 05/22/2007 12:13:39 PM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: bnelson44

Actually, I’m quite surprised that something marked FOUO is being distributed in public forums like this. Y’all shoudl know better.


42 posted on 05/22/2007 12:17:19 PM PDT by sauropod ("An intelligent man is sometimes forced to be drunk to spend time with his fools." Ernest Hemingway)
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To: avacado
Tom

If the "Macho-conservatives" want to keep teaching the Republican Party a lesson, eventually the Republican Party will regroup and win elections without them as they did to the Buchananites long time ago and this will certainly happen before 2008.

43 posted on 05/22/2007 12:19:43 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: sauropod

Yep, maybe you are right, we should just do away with the stupid old Constitution if we aren’t gonna follow it.

/sarcasm

GONZALES: “There was not a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It was an authorization to use military force.”


44 posted on 05/22/2007 12:21:35 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: jveritas
Agreed. I am conservative to the core but I never take my ball and go home. I work with the cards I am dealt and I HOUND my congress critters and senators via snail mail and email. Gotta work the system from all the angles given to us. Giving up is NOT AN OPTION! That's a liberal/democrat characteristic that I want no part of.

And I stole your “macho-conservative” word usage. It fits.

45 posted on 05/22/2007 12:32:36 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado

Amen my FRiend.


46 posted on 05/22/2007 12:52:40 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: 91B; HiJinx; Spiff; MJY1288; xzins; Calpernia; clintonh8r; TEXOKIE; windchime; Grampa Dave; ...

The PowerPoint Presentation is well worth seeing and using to beat Liberals with.


47 posted on 05/22/2007 4:12:39 PM PDT by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: CJ Wolf

That statement from Gonzalez is not a statement that we are not at war.

If you want to get all legal about it, you could read this Harvard Law Review article that analyzes the law of war and the authorizations for doing so in US history. Curtis A. Bradley & Jack L. Goldsmith, Congressional Authorization and the War on Terrorism, 118 HARV. L. REV. 2047 (2005). Or you could accept the obvious weight of history and practice that the lack of a formal declaration of war does not preclude the existence of a state of war in any sense.

This keeps on being repeated as if it were some triumph of constitutional reasoning, when in fact it is an utterly meaningless distinction.

Really, what is the difference between Congress saying “We declare war” and Congress saying “We declare the use of force is authorized.”?

Hint: None whatsoever.


48 posted on 05/22/2007 5:20:48 PM PDT by Buckhead
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To: ex-snook
The biggest myth is that Iraq is a war on terrorism. The war against AQ and bin Laden is still unfinished. Iraq is a war on Islamofascism, whatever the hell that is.

Weird comment.

You separate Iraq from war on terrorism by, apparently, equating war on terrorism with war against "AQ and bin Laden". First, I guess this means you think that only AQ are terrorists and terrorists = AQ; it doesn't seem to cross your mind that terrorists can be unassociated with AQ per se. Second, I guess this means you are unaware of the fact that AQ is operating in Iraq (either that or you're ignoring the fact). Otherwise why would you complain that by us being in Iraq we're not fighting the "war on terrorism", which (in your mind) is the war on AQ, which is "unfinished"?

I'll go more slowly for you: Al. Qaeda. is. in. Iraq. Do you want us to confront Al Qaeda or don't you? Don't pretend that you want to fight Al Qaeda and then complain that we're in Iraq. Al. Qaeda. is. in. Iraq!

Any way you slice it, weird comment.

49 posted on 05/22/2007 6:23:16 PM PDT by Dr. Frank fan
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To: Buckhead

The difference is paramount. One is not a declaration of war by our country against another. It’s a directive to use military force to enforce the UN resolutions. The same UN resolutions that led us not to invade in 1991, because we didn’t declare War. I had the same beef with the Kosovo conflict Clinton led us into.

The other is a hard and fast statement that the USA will come and kick your ass and that we won’t quit until your pissant (No offense to Pissant) little dictator/fascist/commie/insert-evil-adjective country as you know it is gone. In the case of ‘War’ we would have declared victory over Iraq already.

Hint: Like I give a sh!t about Harvard or the UN, both are useless institutions that further the goals and careers of liberal/commie/socialist/Barney Frank/Feingold idiots.


50 posted on 05/22/2007 6:23:50 PM PDT by CJ Wolf
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