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The Case for Bombing Iran
Commentary ^ | June, '07 | Norman Podhoretz

Posted on 05/22/2007 8:01:45 PM PDT by T.L.Sink

Podhoretz thoughtfully examines all the conventional pros and cons of attacking Iran. He quotes Bernard Lewis, the greatest authority of our time on the Islamic world: "MAD, mutual assured destruction, [was effective] right through the Cold War. Both sides had nuclear weapons. Neither side used them, because both sides knew the other would retaliate in kind. This will not work with a religious fanatic [like Ahmadinejad]. For him, mutual assured destruction is not a deterrent, it is an inducement. We know already that [Iran's leaders] do not give a damn about killing their own people in great numbers. We have seen it again and again. In the final scenario, and this applies all the more strongly if they kill large numbers of thir own people, they are doing them a favor. They are giving them a quick free pass to heaven and all its delights."

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A very thorough and realistic assessment of a new global enemy and why we'd better quickly get away from the old statecraft "foggy bottom" mentality of talk, talk, talk, and hope reason and sanity prevail. What's especially interesting is Podhoretz's conjectures about what Bush will do.
1 posted on 05/22/2007 8:01:46 PM PDT by T.L.Sink
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To: T.L.Sink

I read this the other day. Noman nails it.


2 posted on 05/22/2007 8:03:20 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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To: SJackson; jveritas; jmc1969; FARS; Ernest_at_the_Beach; knighthawk; Marine_Uncle; SandRat; ...

Ping.


3 posted on 05/22/2007 8:03:50 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (Al Qaeda knows Iraq's strategic value, yet the Democrats work day and night for our defeat there.)
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It is time to launch a massive air and naval air war against the Iranian terrorist regime nuclear sites, its military infrastructures, command and control centers, etc...
4 posted on 05/22/2007 8:10:44 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Nope. In 15 minutes blow every dam they have (all 42 of them) That will be enough to cause quite a bit of internal havock that they may think we are serious. They will then have to spend a crapload of money on fixing all that damage and hopefully some of the NUKE sites will be covered in hecter acres of water.


5 posted on 05/22/2007 8:31:29 PM PDT by Walkingfeather (u)
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To: elhombrelibre

ping


6 posted on 05/22/2007 8:32:37 PM PDT by Doctor Don
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To: T.L.Sink

Our Government’s desire to please western Europe is one consideration behind the reluctance to take down Iran’s nuclear facilities and military forces. Western European nations (and certain people in our government) are full of wishful thinking about Iran targeting Israel exclusively (which thinking Iran continues to support).

Iran is befriending the Saudis and will soon control the Middle East after mounting nukes. Then Iran will target England after having installed many more guerrilla cells there and in the USA.


7 posted on 05/22/2007 8:34:44 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.--has been))
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To: T.L.Sink

BTW, several other Islamist regimes will also obtain nuclear weapons as Iran does so. The mullahs have made quite a few promises to their friends. Nuclear exchanges will be inevitable in the near future, IMO.


8 posted on 05/22/2007 8:37:34 PM PDT by familyop (cbt. engr. (cbt.--has been))
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To: jveritas
I thought we would have attacked them when we learned that this was their behavior:Apparently it will take something really radical, like attack our embassy... (hmmm) or threaten to wipe Israel off the map... (hmmmm) or refuse to talk to our Secretary of State... (hmmmmmmmm) or reject the IAEA while quickly enhancing centrifuge technology... (hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm)

I was kind of freaked out about the 6/6/06 date, but that came and went in the past without us attacking Iran. Now it is the summer of 2007 and if we intend to attack them then I figure we ought to should get attacking or it will be too late. See if we wait until either Hillary or Obama wins then I don't figure we would be in too preemptive a mood at the CIC level. I will never understand why we didn't handle the Syrian and Iranian problems at the same time that we hammered down on Iraq. The limited awareness and participation among the general American population is one of the biggest reasons that I left the military after 22 years.

I can't imagine why the security council isn't in an emergency session right now, trying to figure out how quickly we can stop these people. I guess they are too busy being irrelevant. I suppose our Senate should be debating the language of the declaration of war on Iran, but they are too busy keeping our borders open and making sure that we are attacked from within. CONGRESS YOU ARE DERELICT IN YOUR DUTY TO PROTECT MY FAMILY, MY WAY OF DOING BUSINESS, AND MY COUNTRY.

I hope that the government operatives that monitor this website will begin to understand that they should start to let our congress know that Americans are ready to wake up to a new future where our children can smile with the optimism of opportunity. It will take guts to make the tough decisions that are ahead. If we stupidly ignore the existential threat represented by the lunatic hailing from the scorching sands of Persia, then the result will be a literal/metaphoric rejection of Israel. America must never reject Israel.

9 posted on 05/22/2007 8:39:13 PM PDT by gcraig
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To: T.L.Sink
Norman is full of it. Edward N. Luttwak: "Three reasons not to bomb Iran - yet"

Iran is a past and future ally. We should seek regime change without alienating most of the Iranian people who are on our side. I am not ruling out bombing as a last resort, but we would be better served if we can support the domestic opposition and use covert means to get rid of the mullahs.

10 posted on 05/22/2007 8:44:07 PM PDT by kabar
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To: familyop
Iran is befriending the Saudis and will soon control the Middle East after mounting nukes. Then Iran will target England after having installed many more guerrilla cells there and in the USA.

Iran is seen as a major threat by the Saudis. There is no love lost between the House of Saud and the mullahs. And the Saudis have much larger proven oil reserves and produce twice as much oil and have the capacity to produce three times what Iran produces. There is no way the Saudis would accept Iranian control over the Middle East. The Iranians are not Arabs and they don't share the same language or culture as Saudi Arabia. We will not let Iran take control of the Middle East.

11 posted on 05/22/2007 8:50:41 PM PDT by kabar
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To: T.L.Sink

Bomb bomb bomb , bomb bomb Iran....
Bomb bomb bomb , bomb bomb Iran .....
Bomb Iraaaaaannnn !
Bomb Iraaaaaannnnn!

Bomb bomb bomb , bomb bomb Iran....


12 posted on 05/22/2007 9:12:06 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: elhombrelibre

Thanks for the ping. I have had to many folks pinging me today, while I had to work till 11PM. I am shot. I’ll just say. Almadijinda (sp?) (I’m very tired), is a duel use clown. He will press for anything that pleases the senior Mullahs, and at the same time thinks if we rain nuclear weapons upon their heads it will bring on the hidden iman. One cannot reason with clowns like these. Their assholes.


13 posted on 05/22/2007 9:24:37 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle
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Here are two very good reads on this subject:

Can USA avoid attacking Iran?

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2006/01/can-usa-avoid-attacking-iran-can-we.html

Iran - Justified Final Solution

http://noiri.blogspot.com/2006/08/iran-justified-final-solution.html


14 posted on 05/22/2007 10:12:23 PM PDT by FARS
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To: FARS

Thank you FARS for the ping.


15 posted on 05/22/2007 10:14:26 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: devolve; FARS
Thanks for the ping FARS. Think I am running out of Iranian graphics that you haven't seen.


16 posted on 05/22/2007 10:16:41 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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"MAD, mutual assured destruction, [was effective] right through the Cold War. Both sides had nuclear weapons. Neither side used them, because both sides knew the other would retaliate in kind. This will not work with a religious fanatic [like Ahmadinejad]. For him, mutual assured destruction is not a deterrent, it is an inducement. We know already that [Iran's leaders] do not give a damn about killing their own people in great numbers. We have seen it again and again."

17 posted on 05/22/2007 10:19:42 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Time heals all wounds, particularly when they're not yours. Profile updated May 22, 2007.)
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18 posted on 05/22/2007 10:28:08 PM PDT by devolve ( _ignore_tax_the_illegal_alien_way?_ _Bush_selling_out_the_USA?_)
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To: devolve

Makes a beautiful background, you could have some type of fighter plane fly across it.

Heading for bed, worn out today. Night.


19 posted on 05/22/2007 10:31:56 PM PDT by potlatch (MIZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MIKAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_MAZARU_ooo_()_ooo_))
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To: potlatch; All

ou are the “mother of all graphics” so you will give birth to more :-))

Look forward to them. Spices up the AntiMullah pages.

Did you like the carrots on the home page? http://www.antimullah.com


20 posted on 05/22/2007 10:37:20 PM PDT by FARS
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