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Graduates unprepared for college academics
THE GAZETTE ^ | May 21, 2007 | BRIAN NEWSOME

Posted on 05/23/2007 2:59:55 PM PDT by george76

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To: Santa Fe_Conservative

High schools will label any course “AP” even if it bears no resemblance to the College Board’s AP course/exam requirements. It has gotten so bad that the College Board recently began an audit process:

http://apcentral.collegeboard.com/apc/public/courses/teachers_corner/46361.html

“In November 2007, the College Board will publish on the Web a ledger for colleges, universities, and the public that lists the courses authorized to use the “AP” designation at each school.”


21 posted on 05/23/2007 6:05:49 PM PDT by LibFreeOrDie (L'Chaim!)
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To: Bahbah

I’m sure that the high schools are “shocked” to find out that learning how to put a condom on a banana or watching Al Gore’s propaganda didn’t prepare the kids for Calculus 101...


22 posted on 05/23/2007 6:11:15 PM PDT by 3Lean
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To: dawn53

Maxwell’s article is quite sad.Stillman College sounds like a typical ghetto high school rather than a four year institution of higher learning.I have to think that at higher level colleges like Howard,Fisk and Morehouse that standards are much stricter.
Yet from my own experience in our school systems,these young black kids are being shorchanged by the system and then doing more damage by shortchanging themselves.Example-I’m on the Westside today about One O’Clock or so and see dozens of kids on the corner just “chopping it up”.Lunch officially ended 15 minutes earlier.Two security guards are sitting across the street having a smoke.No administrators are out there cajoling the kids back to class.Two weeks ago when I was over there students would walk in an out of class at will.Anytime during every period you would look out your door and see the hallway filled with small groups and individuals cutting class.
They would never let these antics go on at a white school.Black kids have to own up to their part in letting this nonsense continue.Yet where are the ADULTS who condone and enable this behavior?Are they THAT lax in doing their jobs?


23 posted on 05/23/2007 6:43:48 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Riverman94610

When I read Maxwell’s articles, I was sort of reminded of the lax attitude that was taken toward Cho (the VaTech killer.) I had read articles that said teachers gave him A’s because they were afraid of him. I didn’t get the impression that teachers were afraid of the kid’s at Stillman, but just that they didn’t see any “hope” of changing things, so they were just passing them, in order to move them out of their classes.


24 posted on 05/23/2007 8:12:06 PM PDT by dawn53
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To: dawn53

Its truly sad how supposedly responsible adults take the easy way out.They are only handicapping these kids later in life.


25 posted on 05/23/2007 8:40:41 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: Clintonfatigued; DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; arbooz; bboop; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles.
26 posted on 05/24/2007 6:18:27 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative
What I find most funny is how all I hear about these days is how kids are loading up on their AP classes in high school. Hor ironic!

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It may be the only way to get a decent education.

27 posted on 05/24/2007 6:38:50 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: dawn53
we homeschooled through 9th grade, “the kid” went to community college during high school years, earned his AA, transferred to University, and is graduating from college in December at the age of 19.

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My kids aren’t geniuses either. They too were homeschooled to the 9th grade.

They entered community college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13. All finished all general college requirements and Calculus III by the age of 15. The two younger earned B.S. degrees in mathematics at the age of 18. The older of these two recently finished a masters degree in math at the age of 20.

The oldest took a different trajectory. He is a nationally and internationally ranked athlete. He has traveled worldwide. He attended a business college in the evening and majored in accounting. At the age of 19 he took off two years to assist our church in Eastern Europe and returned home fluent in Russian. He is again training in his sport and will finish his accounting degree at the same age as his contemporaries.

Again...my kids are **normal**!
It is institutionalized children ( especially those in government schools) who are artificially and wrongfully retarded in their educational and social development.

Uh..oh...I just criticized the government schools! There will be some nit wit teacher ( or parent who uses the schools) who will then claim that I have **personally** insulted them.

28 posted on 05/24/2007 6:47:54 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative
My high school student will end up taking 12 AP's. Depending on her scores (and what she decides to use), she will have anywhere from 1-2 semesters of work. I think she is going to use all of her liberal arts courses to clear up more room in her schedule for her double major, but probably not use her sciences. But, we'll see.

She is not unusual. Many, many kids in the NoVa area will have double-digit AP's.

29 posted on 05/24/2007 6:48:29 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: gun_supporter
I graduated HS with 2 years worth. In 1984.
30 posted on 05/24/2007 6:49:47 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: LibFreeOrDie

Very true - but the AP course itself is worthless to the college unless the student takes and scores a certain mark on the exam. The colleges are uninterested in the class - they are quite interested in the score. My daughter’s 5 in World History will give her credit for Hist 101 and allow her to skip Hist 102 and take another elective. But then, her US History (assuming she gets a 5) will give her credit for the 102 and leave her with no history requirements for college. She can then take those 6 hours that are freed up and use it to swing a double major. It’ll be interesting to see her scores in July, and then the planning begins


31 posted on 05/24/2007 6:52:34 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: Riverman94610
.Yet where are the ADULTS who condone and enable this behavior?Are they THAT lax in doing their jobs?

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Yes, they are that lax.

What these “ADULTS” are doing is raising feral children. It is almost as abusive as locking a kid in a closet for years on end. These so-called “students” ( I use that term loosely) are educationally, socially, and emotionally retarded. “ADULTS” in their government schools have done this to them.

It is child abuse. It is also abusive for any parent to send their child into an environment like this.

Uh..oh! I have just criticized the government schools. Some nitwit of a teacher or parent will now post that I have **personally** insulted them, and post that I have **personally** called them a child abuser.

32 posted on 05/24/2007 6:53:59 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Santa Fe_Conservative
What I find most funny is how all I hear about these days is how kids are loading up on their AP classes in high school. Hor ironic!

Those usually aren't the same people. In my (albeit limited) experience, the AP-heavy kids were prepared to do at least acceptably at college. It's the ones who squeak through without AP classes (which are optional) that aren't well prepared.

33 posted on 05/24/2007 6:55:57 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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To: rockprof
By the way, not all college professors are liberal wingnuts.

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They can found in business, math, engineering, and the **hard** sciences.

34 posted on 05/24/2007 6:56:19 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: jude24; Santa Fe_Conservative

Plus, remember that our society tells kids that you must go to college to be successful, so many 18 year olds go to college, not because they want to, but because it is expected. Meanwhile, other kids go into a service industry such as HVAC, auto mechanics, plumbing, or electricity and end up making significantly more money than those who drop out of college and serve french fries.


35 posted on 05/24/2007 6:58:34 PM PDT by SoftballMominVA
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To: metmom
ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

Oh, please. Homeschooling works well for some kids, poorly for others. The homeschooled kids I knew were not especially well prepared for college either.

You do your cause no good by maligning other educational options. You would do better to demonstrate the benefits of homeschooling.

36 posted on 05/24/2007 7:00:46 PM PDT by jude24 (Seen in Beijing: "Shangri-La is in you mind, but your Buffalo is not.")
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To: george76
Hundreds of them will be academically unprepared when they get there.

Care to restate that statement Brian?

37 posted on 05/24/2007 7:16:48 PM PDT by Professional Engineer (Don't blame me, I voted for Hatch.)
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To: wintertime; rockprof
I teach in an English department, and you'd be surprised at how many of us are actually conservative and Christian. Now, clearly that's not the case at all schools. I think that most of the kids who come to the university with their heads screwed on straight can recognize indoctrination when they see it. If your parents give you real values it will be hard for even the most liberal professors to really affect you permanently.

The more strident and odious liberal professors are, the more easily they are recognized and exposed.
38 posted on 05/24/2007 7:19:55 PM PDT by Brucifer (JF'n Kerry- "That's not just a paper cut, it's a Purple Heart!")
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To: jude24

You do your cause no good by maligning other educational options.

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Sorry! You will never get me to agree that institutionalizing children is a good idea. ( especially in government indoctrination camps.)

Yes,,,some unfortunate children will need institutionalized settings for their education. This is really a shame. We need orphanages too, but no one is suggesting that it is the best way to raise up an educationally, socially, and emotionally secure adult.

As the superiority of homeschooling continues to be evident, parents will need to justify to the community exactly why their child must be warehoused.


39 posted on 05/24/2007 7:27:19 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: Brucifer

I teach in an English department, and you’d be surprised at how many of us are actually conservative and Christian.

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I wish my children had had the opportunity to be in these classrooms.

My kids were admitted to college at the ages of 13, 12, and 13, so I had more involvement in their college education than at youths of usual age. I had full access to their reading assignments and syllabus. Also, the children taped and transcribed their lectures so that my husband and I could review spelling, reinforce concepts, and correct misunderstandings.

I was appalled!


40 posted on 05/24/2007 7:31:41 PM PDT by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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