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Federal Gas Taxes Fund Seatbelt Roadblocks
thenewspaper.com ^ | 5/23/07 | newspaper.com staff

Posted on 05/23/2007 7:50:43 PM PDT by elkfersupper

More than $30 million in federal gas tax funding is being spent setting up roadblocks to ticket motorists who neglect or choose not to wear a seatbelt.

More than $30 million in federal gas tax dollars will be spent between now and June 3 to encourage local and state police to set up ticketing roadblocks under a program called "Click it or Ticket." Orchestrated by the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration, Click it or Ticket offers local law enforcement officers overtime pay to stop and search motorists at random locations. Officers will then issue an expensive citation to anyone who neglects or chooses not to wear a seatbelt. Often, officers are also able to issue secondary tickets for other violations, such as driving with expired paperwork.

The ticketing program's kick-off met with a rough start when reporters filmed President George W. Bush driving his truck on his private property in Texas without a seatbelt. While legal, reporters questioned White House Press Secretary Tony Snow about the policy implications yesterday.

"Well, it's always important to wear seatbelts, especially when driving slowly on the ranch," Snow said jokingly.

States have embraced the program with enthusiasm. In New Jersey, for example, $824,000 in federal gas tax money is distributed in the form of $4000 grants to 206 New Jersey police agencies across the state. Each will use the money to pay officers extra to operate the roadblocks. In Michigan, state police announced that they intend to conduct 800 roadblocks, as the successful program last year raised $1,499,030 in revenue from 23,062 tickets. Since the Michigan Supreme Court held that roadblocks violated the state constitution's protection against unreasonable searches, police look into cars as they wait at stop lights and stop signs without technically forcing them to pull over, as is the practice in other states.

Since Monday, thousands of seatbelt tickets have been issued across the country.


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1 posted on 05/23/2007 7:50:45 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

And you all thought that revenue-enhancement programs were self-funding!!


2 posted on 05/23/2007 7:53:54 PM PDT by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: traviskicks; inneroutlaw; Gabz

Ping.


3 posted on 05/23/2007 7:55:58 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper; Abram; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allosaurs_r_us; amchugh; ...
"The ticketing program's kick-off met with a rough start when reporters filmed President George W. Bush driving his truck on his private property in Texas without a seatbelt."





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4 posted on 05/23/2007 8:12:19 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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To: elkfersupper

I was already in a bad mood. Then I read this article...


5 posted on 05/23/2007 8:14:41 PM PDT by loreldan (Without coffee I am nothing. Romney supporter for now...)
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To: elkfersupper

Ah! I can still remember like yesterday the huge lie they told us when they said seat belt compliance would never be enforced by itself, but only if you were stopped as a result of some other infraction.

That policy lasted all of one or two years before they started stopping people and checking for seat belt use specifically.

Kind of reminds you how they promised that your Social Security number would never be used for anything but Social Security. That was the Mother of all lies, that one.

The 4th Amendment continues to die a rapid death. Are freedoms are falling by the wayside at a breath-taking pace. The Founding Fathers must be spinning in their graves at the modern treatment of American citizens.

Oh well... You get the government you deserve. I don’t feel I deserve to have lost all these freedoms, but it is obvious that the collective, ignorant, apathetic electorate just doesn’t give a damn how fast we lose more freedom, as long as they get their burgers and porn and cheap Chinese goods and cheap illegal immigrant labor.

Stop the USA, I want to get off. Can I please go back about 155 years in time. Please?


6 posted on 05/23/2007 8:17:03 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: elkfersupper
All these roadblocks irritate freedom loving people and condition the rest to obey the State.

There is no good ,constitutional reason for most of these roadblocks;they are simply a way to allow police to fish without a license(warrant).

7 posted on 05/23/2007 8:17:37 PM PDT by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a creditcard?)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I forgot to add my ongoing outrage over the ever increasing consolidation of federal power. Those are STATE gas taxes the feds are stealing and spending on this program.

But hey... They have been stealing, diverting and wasting our money with impunity for so long, can anyone blame the federal government for getting bolder and more transparent in their theft and fraud and waste. It is not like the states ever fight them on it.

Just for one month I would like to be governor of a big state like California and tell the feds, “I’m done. No more gas money for you. We are keeping it. Now just what are you going to do about it?”


8 posted on 05/23/2007 8:21:29 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: elkfersupper
Screw ‘em. I’ll just ride my Harley for a while (no helmet, of course) and then I’ll go back to driving without a seat belt.
9 posted on 05/23/2007 8:22:31 PM PDT by AlaskaErik (Run, Fred, run!)
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To: elkfersupper

Just connect the dots. There’s no money for highways now, as the fuel tax isn’t high enough, (their words, not mine) so we need to make them all toll-roads, to help fund roadblocks. Got it.


10 posted on 05/23/2007 8:24:44 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: elkfersupper

This is why I have NO respect for police today. Un- Constitutional infringement? They embrace it wholeheartedly because it makes their job ‘easier’. Every one I’ve seen post has pretty much declared their badge to be a roving Constitution-free zone. I have been told multiple times that I must OBEY, because laws conceived by the likes of Chucky Schumer and Ted Kennedy and signed by Carter and Clinton (upheld by Ginsberg and Stevens) are what they enforce.

OBEY? I think not. I will not OBEY an ally of a Kennedy.


11 posted on 05/23/2007 8:30:40 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude
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To: elkfersupper
In Michigan, state police announced that they intend to conduct 800 roadblocks, as the successful program last year raised $1,499,030 in revenue from 23,062 tickets

Yet another highly profitable form of highway robbery administered by the boys in blue.

12 posted on 05/23/2007 8:32:55 PM PDT by CGTRWK
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To: traviskicks
No matter what Bush does, he gets into trouble with the MSM. Seatbelts are NOT mandatory if you are on private property. At least it’s that way in Mexifornia and this POS state leads all others with stupid laws.
13 posted on 05/23/2007 8:47:35 PM PDT by antiunion person (It must be all President Bush's fault.)
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To: elkfersupper
States have embraced the program with enthusiasm.

Because there is money to be made?

Effing assholes, all of them!

14 posted on 05/23/2007 8:55:12 PM PDT by amp
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To: elkfersupper

"Chief says if we bring in enough money this month, we'll get extra large cuts of T-Bones and imported beer for the big cookout this summer"!!

The 2007 seatbelt revenue campaign is underway!!

15 posted on 05/23/2007 8:56:31 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
"Stop the USA, I want to get off. Can I please go back about 155 years in time. Please?"

If you find a way, would you please tell me before you leave? I'm sick of all of this police state sh1t!

16 posted on 05/23/2007 8:58:53 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Only 3% of the populace made us free in 1776.


17 posted on 05/23/2007 9:01:35 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All my hate cannot be found)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
OBEY? I think not. I will not OBEY an ally of a Kennedy.

Elizabeth Dole got this ball rolling during the Reagan administration.

Now what?

18 posted on 05/23/2007 9:02:43 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: KoRn

Whatever happened to “Officer Friendly”?


19 posted on 05/23/2007 9:07:07 PM PDT by elkfersupper
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To: elkfersupper

Our Founders had the answer. But when is it time?

The current parties are the same coin, same side. All they want is to stay in power. There is no viable third option at this time (note that Washington wanted political patries banned) that can garner enough votes to change this slide to totalitarianism.

And even if they could, what good would it do, as they would have to promise so much of the Treasury in order to gain traction? We are at a crossroads. It could go either way right now, but the momentum is all in the wrong direction.


20 posted on 05/23/2007 9:10:54 PM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All my hate cannot be found)
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To: elkfersupper
"Whatever happened to “Officer Friendly”?"

He obviously retired or was 'whacked' for not looking the other way when they decided to turn against us.

21 posted on 05/23/2007 9:15:13 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
We are undoubtedly in very sad times, and I fear the worst is yet to come because I believe we are only seeing the beginning of what is going to be a very frightful period for our nation. I feel terrible for my young children. They have some very hard times ahead of them when they get older, and I’m sad for them because they will never know what it was like to enjoy a free country like I did when I was younger. I’m saying this and I’m only 32. It’s pretty bad in even my short time here, even I can notice such a huge difference in our society from what it was like in the 80s compared to what we have now. lol
22 posted on 05/23/2007 9:22:58 PM PDT by KoRn (Just Say NO ....To Liberal Republicans - FRED THOMPSON FOR PRESIDENT!)
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To: elkfersupper
Can’t find 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20+ million illegal felons who broke into this Country, but, you had better damn well have your god-damn seat belt on when you drive your car or truck!

Just tell them you are here illegally, and you won’t get a ticket, hell the cops will apologize for even stopping you!

23 posted on 05/23/2007 9:42:07 PM PDT by paratrooper82 (82 Airborne 1/508th BN "fury from the sky")
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To: elkfersupper
It appears that drivers drive without seatbelts only when police officers are on overtime....

How about simply requiring driving classes like the German government does. Classroom time to learn basic laws, like staying in the right lane except when passing and using a blinker when changing lanes or turning. Then, driving time to learn how to actually drive- at night, in the daytime, heavy traffic times, rain and snow, etc.

That alone would prevent thousands of deaths across the nation.

24 posted on 05/23/2007 10:01:21 PM PDT by DilJective (Proudly serving in the US Army)
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To: DilJective
How about simply requiring driving classes like the German government does

Now, now, why this suggestion when you did not learn to drive in Germany, unless you were a Military Brat over there when you learned to drive?

25 posted on 05/23/2007 10:15:59 PM PDT by Buddy B (MSgt Retired-USAF)
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To: elkfersupper

Constitution? We don’t need no steenking Constitution!


26 posted on 05/23/2007 10:26:16 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Jack Hammer
Here is a law that we need to get passed asap...from now on, police and government can no longer collect revenue from enforcing laws.. They claim that the fine is a deterrent. Fine...let’s have a law that says you still pay the fine, but you pay it to the charity or church of your choice. This will eliminate ticket quotas and ridiculous new tax schemes by the government like click it or ticket. The same goes for property confiscated by the government during their raids...they can still confiscate it, but they don’t profit from it. This will remove any semblance of impropriety which I am sure they will be more than willing to go along with.
27 posted on 05/23/2007 11:19:58 PM PDT by willyd (Tickets, fines, fees, permits and inspections are synonyms for taxes)
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To: elkfersupper

I thought these types of roadblocks were declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court?

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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1838810/posts

THE SAFETY CHOICE COALITION
http://www.fiberpipe.net/~tiktin/

Stick It to Click It or Ticket
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/stickittoclickit/

Motion
http://www.dangoebel.com/incourt.html


28 posted on 05/23/2007 11:49:56 PM PDT by quietolong
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To: DilJective
How about simply requiring driving classes like the German government does. Classroom time to learn basic laws, like staying in the right lane except when passing and using a blinker when changing lanes or turning. Then, driving time to learn how to actually drive- at night, in the daytime, heavy traffic times, rain and snow, etc.

Ummmm, that's what Driver's Education is, and does, and you have to pass a driving test, both written and on the road, at the DMV.
You say you're "Proudly serving in the US Army" yet you don't know this basic thing about America? What gives?

29 posted on 05/24/2007 1:19:51 AM PDT by philman_36
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To: traviskicks

Threads like this are why I love FR.


30 posted on 05/24/2007 5:32:20 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: quietolong

Roadblocks were declared unconstitutional by the USSC, but not checkpoints.


31 posted on 05/24/2007 5:37:29 AM PDT by oblomov
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To: elkfersupper

State police are nothing more than another group of unaccountable, unelected bureaucrats, politically motivated to harass citizens and act as tax collectors for the marxists in the state capitals.

State police should be disbanded and their members attached to elected county sheriffs who are accountable to the citizenry. My county sheriff actually assigns his men to stakeouts in order to catch burglars breaking into remote camps and houses. In other words, they harass and fight criminals, not law-abiding citizens.

Peace officers, not tax collectors. What a concept.


32 posted on 05/24/2007 5:37:41 AM PDT by sergeantdave (Give Hillary a 50¢ coupon for Betty Crocker's devils food mix & tell her to go home and bake a cake)
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To: elkfersupper
For two weeks now, I’ve been hearing radio ads from the public safety office warning of this new crackdown.

In the past, I wouldn’t have thought too much about it. Recently though, I have inquired to a local station about buying air time to advertise my company.

A 30sec spot cost ~$450 (if I remember correctly). I have heard these ads on multiple stations many times a day. It could easily be $10,000+ a day here in Atlanta.

My first thoughts now are:

Where does this money come from?
Don’t the cops have more important things to do in Atlanta, like round up real criminals???

33 posted on 05/24/2007 5:39:48 AM PDT by Gvl_M3 (Sometimes, you have to stand up for yourself, even if it doesn't look "Compassionate.")
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To: elkfersupper
States have embraced the program with enthusiasm.

Why hell YES!!

When the Feds say they'll withhold YOUR gas taxes from you if you do NOT go along with THEIR plans!!!


In the real world, these tactics are known as

EXTORTION!


34 posted on 05/24/2007 5:50:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Divide & Conquer!


35 posted on 05/24/2007 5:50:59 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: KoRn
If you find a way, would you please tell me before you leave?

Ok...

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

 
You may (or not) heard these words before.....

36 posted on 05/24/2007 5:55:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
I have been told multiple times that I must OBEY, because laws conceived by the likes of Chucky Schumer and Ted Kennedy and signed by Carter and Clinton (upheld by Ginsberg and Stevens) are what they enforce

Ah but the push for a seat belt law wasn't introduced by a Democrat was it? Neither was air bags, third brake lights, a rise in the drinking age, or maintenance of 55 mph speed limit.

37 posted on 05/24/2007 6:10:36 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: elkfersupper
It is us.

Sorry bud, It's not us. It's THEM.

Everyone I know would just as soon leave people alone. 

38 posted on 05/24/2007 6:23:18 AM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: ex 98C MI Dude
The current parties are the same coin, same side. All they want is to stay in power.

Indeed. All the political posturing and noise you hear in washington (and most state capitals) is just THEM arguing over who gets to control the loot.

I believe we've become a kleptocracy. Not as bad as mexico yet, but they are working on it. 

39 posted on 05/24/2007 6:27:39 AM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: Gvl_M3
Don’t the cops have more important things to do in Atlanta, like round up real criminals???

Real criminals are dangerous. You and I are not. We're just a source of revenue.  Catching actual criminals can be dangerous work, and more importantly, costs them money.

40 posted on 05/24/2007 6:31:28 AM PDT by zeugma (MS Vista has detected your mouse has moved, Cancel or Allow?)
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To: elkfersupper

Here is a prime example of the waste of money on something that isn’t even a crime. Meanwhile we have perverts roaming the land, illegals pouring over the border, some commiting crimes, employers violating our laws, crooked Congress critters, etc.

The people in government are the biggest waste of our money.


41 posted on 05/24/2007 6:31:56 AM PDT by indylindy (Fighting the new liberal Conservatism. The Left foot in the GOP door.)
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To: elkfersupper
"Click It or Ticket", what a ****en waste of money ! The true name, "Click it, stick it up your ***".

NHTSA is one of the most anti-motorists organization in the Federal Gov't and useless besides that.
42 posted on 05/24/2007 6:44:39 AM PDT by CORedneck
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To: elkfersupper

Using taxes to collect taxes. Revooooonnnneeeers!


43 posted on 05/24/2007 7:01:13 AM PDT by CSM ("The rioting arsonists are the same folks who scream about global warming." LibFreeOrDie 5/7/07)
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To: Elsie

Great words from great men.

But I’ve been told by police officers that those words aren’t legally binding, because the courts haven’t recognized them. The Declaration of Independence founded this nation, but aren’t legally binding? So I guess our intrepid officers work for the Crown then?


44 posted on 05/24/2007 7:08:01 AM PDT by ex 98C MI Dude (All my hate cannot be found)
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To: elkfersupper
Since the Michigan Supreme Court held that roadblocks violated the state constitution's protection against unreasonable searches, police look into cars as they wait at stop lights and stop signs without technically forcing them to pull over, as is the practice in other states.

The "law" doesn't agree with the the Constitution so they just find a way to get around it? How is that NOT treasonous?
45 posted on 05/24/2007 7:41:29 AM PDT by Stevieboy
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To: philman_36

“Ummmm, that’s what Driver’s Education is, and does, and you have to pass a driving test, both written and on the road, at the DMV.”

In most places driver’s education is purely optional, and driving tests are generally a bit of a joke. They may have been suitable for a time when traffic was much lighter and speeds generally lower, but they’re out of date. Doesn’t matter, though - our society is built around motorized mobility and nothing’s going to be done that will keep any but the most severely mentally retarded, or literally blind, people off the road. The powers that be have decided to create safety instead by imposing ever more rules and regulations and requirements for safety equipment.


46 posted on 05/24/2007 7:43:31 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: elkfersupper
In New Jersey, for example, $824,000 in federal gas tax money is distributed in the form of $4000 grants to 206 New Jersey police agencies across the state. Each will use the money to pay officers extra to operate the roadblocks. In Michigan, state police announced that they intend to conduct 800 roadblocks, as the successful program last year raised $1,499,030 in revenue from 23,062 tickets.

Let's see. Just a wild eyed guess, but it must have cost the taxpayers something to have all the grant paperwork written up. Say, $1000.00 a grant proposal?

Add in processing the grant requests, maybe another $1000.00 per proposal.

That would be $412, 000.00

Now process the 23,062 tickets at a nominal cost of only $10.00 each ($230,620.00) and the cost of the 1,499,030 in revenue is $1,466,620.00 for a whopping profit of $32,410.00, not counting the donut fund.

Methinks this is a verry expensive circle jerk, financially, and another feelgood excuse to not be chasing illegal aliens, and other assorted criminal types.

47 posted on 05/24/2007 7:53:57 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: DilJective
How about simply requiring driving classes like the German government does.

That used to be the other half of the school year, coupled with 'health' class to round the year out.

Now it is all about putting condoms on vegetables and Heather's two mommies and other 'important stuff'. /sarc

I think the time would have been better spent teaching them all to drive, not just a car but a semi-truck as well. At least they wouldn't be slipping inside of a long rig making a turn (and getting squashed).

48 posted on 05/24/2007 8:02:19 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: elkfersupper
Roadblocks for seat belts? The NAZIs are here.
49 posted on 05/24/2007 8:04:08 AM PDT by JackRyanCIA (Our next generation will be reading the Spanish version of the Koran.)
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To: KoRn

It’s not a warning—it’s an armed constitutional scholar...


50 posted on 05/24/2007 10:05:12 AM PDT by FNU LNU (Nothing runs like a Deere, nothing smells like a john)
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