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To: Alamo-Girl; editor-surveyor; DaveLoneRanger; hosepipe
Indeed, they are doing politics under the color of science

I don't know why Darwinian evolution theory needs so much "defending," up to and including using crooked means, if it's so darned great. This is a scientific matter, not a political one; or ought so to be regarded. IMHO.

The vehemence (and even seeming desperation) of some of its supporters suggests religious passion, not scientific dispassion/objectivity.

Plus I don't understand why it wants to "exempt" itself from the normal course of science, which is evolutionary itself. Theories are improved upon over the course of scientific investigation. We now realize that even Newtonian mechanics is not exempt from this rule.

Well, FWIW my two cents....

13 posted on 05/24/2007 8:20:16 AM PDT by betty boop ("Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." -- A. Einstein.)
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To: betty boop; hosepipe; Quix; marron; cornelis
Very well said as always, my dearest sister in Christ!

Happy Birthday!

14 posted on 05/24/2007 8:32:57 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: betty boop
I don't know why Darwinian evolution theory needs so much "defending," up to and including using crooked means, if it's so darned great. This is a scientific matter, not a political one; or ought so to be regarded. IMHO.

The theory of evolution is about the only scientific theory consistently attacked by organized religion using blatantly false, non-scientific and indeed anti-scientific propaganda. Just look over on AnswersInGenesis for examples of all of this.

If you want to consider "crooked means" then check out the deliberate misunderstanding of science, the blatant falsehoods repeated endlessly, the quote mining, and all the rest of the "crooked means" used by creationists to challenge the theory of evolution. You see everything but science.

You write, "This is a scientific matter, not a political one; or ought so to be regarded." To this I respond, "This is a scientific matter, not a religious one; or ought so to be regarded."


The vehemence (and even seeming desperation) of some of its supporters suggests religious passion, not scientific dispassion/objectivity.

That's the new talking point, eh? Folks defend science from years of gratuitous and poorly thought out religiously-based attacks and now they are going to be chided for "religious passion" (or even accused of doing religion). Is that the best you can do?


Plus I don't understand why it wants to "exempt" itself from the normal course of science, which is evolutionary itself. Theories are improved upon over the course of scientific investigation. We now realize that even Newtonian mechanics is not exempt from this rule.

Scientists know that. There are hundreds of journals and tens of thousands of researchers dedicated to working out the details of the theory of evolution, and they are testing and challenging everything.

The problem you seem to have with evolutionary science is that it is not willing to accept new age metaphysico-philosphical mumbo-jumbo or religious belief as valid scientific evidence.

16 posted on 05/24/2007 9:00:16 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: betty boop
Plus I don't understand why it wants to "exempt" itself from the normal course of science, which is evolutionary itself. Theories are improved upon over the course of scientific investigation. We now realize that even Newtonian mechanics is not exempt from this rule.

You do realize that theories are improved by the introduction of additional "evidence". Do let us know when ID comes up with some.

20 posted on 05/24/2007 10:47:07 AM PDT by blowfish
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To: betty boop
"This is a scientific matter, not a political one; or ought so to be regarded. IMHO. "

The scientific community is in complete agreement with you. The politics start whenever non-scientists on public school boards get duped into trying to inject sectarian religious beliefs into biology classes, such as in the Dover case. If non-scientists didn't attempt such political meddling, the scientific community would simply do science.

"...why Darwinian evolution theory needs so much 'defending,'"

It only needs defending in proportion to the political and religiously based attacks against it. Such as:

"...using crooked means..."

Example 1 of political or religious attack against evolution. Empty accusation of dishonesty. Those crooked scientists in their crooked labs, crookedly extracting DNA from crooked little bacteria, and running crooked analyses of their crooked sequences, to determine how closely or distantly they're related. It's all crooked means to a crooked end. The nerve of these crooked, crooked people.
215 posted on 05/28/2007 6:08:31 PM PDT by omnivore
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