Depends whose saying it. :-)
Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
But more than that, Ney said, he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks in the video staging area, emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again."
I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them.
Why?
Because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many, including Ney.
"I was appalled that this racist symbol was receiving de facto sanction by the city of Wichita," Ney wrote to me in an e-mail.
Not so, said City Attorney Gary Rebensdorf.
By law, Rebensdorf said, the city could not consider the content of the speech produced by the people responsible for the music video.
"The city did not condone any acts or statements by Craig Morgan or those working with him," Rebensdorf said. "Neither did it censure those acts or comments. If the city had attempted such improper censorship, Morgan could have found several lawyers in the same building as Mr. Ney's office who would have gladly taken that case."
Said city spokesman Van Williams: "It's a First Amendment issue. City government can't keep insensitive idiots off the streets any more than The Eagle can keep them out of its Opinion Line."
Ney called that argument "nonsense."
"The message is not important to the city?" Ney asked. "Does the city contend that they would give equal treatment for a Nazi street fair or a Klan festival? Close down a busy city intersection for a day so Michael Moore could film an anti-Bush TV spot? I think not."
Dallas Henry, the video's director and producer, said he didn't realize the flags were there; area residents were invited to come down to fill the streets with vehicles. The flags definitely won't appear in the video, he added.
"No way. Absolutely not," Henry said from Los Angeles. "If I had seen them, I would have taken them down. I was watching the monitor, and it wasn't in any of the shots."
If the director didn't know the flags were there, certainly the city couldn't have known. The Eagle reporter covering the event didn't see them, either.
Still, the larger issue is the insistence of too many people to publicly fly this flag.
Last month, University of South Carolina football coach Steve Spurrier caused a stir when he said a televised game had been marred "by some clown... waving that dang, damn Confederate flag behind the TV set. And it was embarrassing to me and I know embarrassing to our state."
A few years ago, a Derby student drew the flag and got suspended. Later, the appearance of the flag at the downtown flag pavilion offended people.
Now this.
The interesting thing here is how Ney, the city and even the producer of the video seem to agree that, at minimum, the Confederate flag is divisive.
They understand the terror and hate that the flag represents for lots of people.
So why are people still flying it?
When the South rises again, what does that mean? Another Civil War? Rejection of American principles? A return to slavery?
This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion.
It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
Looks like this fool Ney is trying to make a name for himself.
He should stick to chasing ambulances.
I’m pure yankee and the flag doesn’t bother me a bit.
What do you expect from a border state?........
Fools wo forget, or worse yet deny history, are doomed to repeat it.
Yeeeehhhaaawwwwwhh - The Sauth weeel rahs ahgeeen!
And what lose?
Unless you're a professional race-pimp (à la Je$$e Jack$on), a socialist educrat or an MSM brownshirt, the Confederate flag shouldn't offend you in the least.
If it does offend you, you need a history lesson!
Hey I'm pure Yankee too. When I was growing up however many kids I knew adopted the confederate flag (wore it on hats, put it on their cars, etc.). To them it had nothing to do with racism but instead was a mere symbol of just being a "rebel" or being independent, etc. Nobody thought about it any deeper than that.
Wichita - how ironic...
Damn Carpetbagger...They are just jealous.
To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.
I think we have much greater problems with the Politicly Left in this country than we have with the Rebel Flag.
I have great worries with the Illegal Mexicans flying the Mexican flag during Hateful protests than I do with the rebel Flag.
Get A Grip.
True. Wo has been forgotten already.
Amen brother. You took the words right out of my mouth.
A proud southern cajun boy.
On the other hand, when I see a bunch of people waving the confederate battle flag I get the urge to buy a Dodge Charger, paint it dark blue with a 35 star Union flag on the top, and wire it's horn to play the Battle Hymm of the Republic. I'll name it the General Grant.
“Ah ain’t no ways tahrrred of that flag.”
lol - “who”.
Wo was “workin’ on the railroad”
I’m not ashamed to be “white”.
Here is a video that was posted in another thread. It was originally on Youtube, but got pulled for some reason. This is the only site I can find it on now.
Be advised that there are links to adult oriented videos at this site.
http://www.yikers.com/video_the_civil_war_in_four_minutes.html
I’m not going to debate the civil war. But, watch the casualty numbers and also watch how aggressive the South was in trying to Conquer the North.
Oops, I think I meant the North attacking the South
Walter Williams is a bold defender of the Confederate Battle Flag and keeps one in his office.
Depends whose saying it. :-)
I always pictured the General Grant as more of a GTO.
whose = who’s
Its the Nazification of my forefathers by the PC Police and I’m sick of it. Below is a Great book I would recomend if you or your ancestors were from the South. There is no reason we should be ashamed, and this book gives you plenty of reasons to be proud.
The Politically Incorrect Guide to the South: by Clint Johnson
http://south.politicallyincorrectguide.com/offers/offer.php?id=PGSTH001
What the PC police don’t want you to know—and what they got plain wrong—about the South
From the Founding Fathers to the frontiersmen who tamed the West to the country music, NASCAR, Bible-thumping heart of “Red State” America, the South is the quintessence of what’s original, unique, and most loved about American culture. Yet, thanks to the PC police, the heritage and culture of the South is under attack. The PC establishment is so intent on spreading the myth of the South as prejudiced and ignorant that it even wants to rewrite its history.
But author Clint Johnson rises up in fierce resistance to the second war against the South. He reveals that, far from being the backwater of the nation, the South has always been the center of American culture and history, and that the South is truly rising again. He provides you with the information you need to fight the battles being waged against Southern heritage and pride.
The Politically Incorrect Guide™ to the South (and Why It Will Rise Again) is here to even the score by taking a stand for Dixie, and proving why the South, its traditional values, military service, good manners, and fierce independence will certainly rise again.
“Wo was “workin’ on the railroad”
I thought “I’ve” been working on the railroad, all the livelong days.
I wonder why this “person” Ney doesn’t spend more time fighting the slavery that is currently going on in Africa? Isn’t that more “offensive” than an abstract interpretation of a flag regarding slavery 160 yrs ago? Come on, man - get some perspective!
“Because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many MORONS, including Ney.
There, that fixed it.
Only a small segment of the Southern population owned slaves. Most of those in Gray were poor backwoods boys who were fighting for honor. That’s why they hold on to their flags. To them it wasn’t about race.
Slavery existed almost a hundred years under the Stars and Stripes, but I guess this ignorant writer doesn’t know that.
Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)
Awwww, bless your heart you didn't get past 4th grade history class either did you?
"I was appalled that this racist symbol was receiving de facto sanction by the city of Wichita," Ney wrote to me in an e-mail.
Well when Mr. Ney is finished his campaign of ignorance in Kansas, he's free to come to NC and take the 3rd National that flies in front of my house
CSA ping
If it’s ok to ban the Rebel Flag, which by the way was a battle flag, then why do we allow people to fly the Nazi flag? It’s just something else to divide the people. They need to get over it.
Actually, that's the way it should be.
Use the battle flags to honor the soldiers that did their duty as they saw it and leave the battle flags out of current politics.
“To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.”
Shows how very little you know about the South. It also shows what kind of bigot you are.
“Democrat redneck white trash”? You ignorance is only eclipsed by your hatred.
“Big Johnson” t-shirts used to have a “Dixie Johnson” version which gave that meaning to “The South Will Rise Again.”
I think I still have mine...somewhere.
Let’s see. Where are all the limp-wristed, sissy-boy, liberal wusses currently concentrated? In the North or in the South? Hummm. Which states almost always vote for Democrats? Hummm. Which states exercise the most control over their citizens? Hummm.
“To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.”
Please stay up north, then. Far up north.
There are a lot of southerners here in southeastern Michigan. Their families came during WWII to work in the war industries and never left. Most held firm to their southern heritage.
Oh Mark give it a rest. Historical flags are still that. It doesn’t mean they want slavery again, you dolt.
“and wire it’s horn to play the Battle Hymm of the Republic”
If you read the lyrics of the “Battle Hymn of the Republic”, it refers to killing American civilians, families....
What do you think “trample out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored”?
Kansas wasn't a border state, we were solidly in the Union for the duration of the War of Southern Rebellion. We don't need to rise again.
Or off its editorial pages...
I don't think this is what they're after at all. I think they want to erase 80 years of American History because they don't like it.
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