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What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again":
The Wichita (KS) Eagle ^ | 23 May 2007 | Mark McCormick

Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye

...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.

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Lawyer Richard Ney admits he didn't like being told that he couldn't park in front of his office last week when country recording artist Craig Morgan shot a video at First and Broadway downtown.

But more than that, Ney said, he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks in the video staging area, emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again."

I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them.

Why?

Because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many, including Ney.

"I was appalled that this racist symbol was receiving de facto sanction by the city of Wichita," Ney wrote to me in an e-mail.

Not so, said City Attorney Gary Rebensdorf.

By law, Rebensdorf said, the city could not consider the content of the speech produced by the people responsible for the music video.

"The city did not condone any acts or statements by Craig Morgan or those working with him," Rebensdorf said. "Neither did it censure those acts or comments. If the city had attempted such improper censorship, Morgan could have found several lawyers in the same building as Mr. Ney's office who would have gladly taken that case."

Said city spokesman Van Williams: "It's a First Amendment issue. City government can't keep insensitive idiots off the streets any more than The Eagle can keep them out of its Opinion Line."

Ney called that argument "nonsense."

"The message is not important to the city?" Ney asked. "Does the city contend that they would give equal treatment for a Nazi street fair or a Klan festival? Close down a busy city intersection for a day so Michael Moore could film an anti-Bush TV spot? I think not."

Dallas Henry, the video's director and producer, said he didn't realize the flags were there; area residents were invited to come down to fill the streets with vehicles. The flags definitely won't appear in the video, he added.

"No way. Absolutely not," Henry said from Los Angeles. "If I had seen them, I would have taken them down. I was watching the monitor, and it wasn't in any of the shots."

If the director didn't know the flags were there, certainly the city couldn't have known. The Eagle reporter covering the event didn't see them, either.

Still, the larger issue is the insistence of too many people to publicly fly this flag.

Last month, University of South Carolina football coach Steve Spurrier caused a stir when he said a televised game had been marred "by some clown... waving that dang, damn Confederate flag behind the TV set. And it was embarrassing to me and I know embarrassing to our state."

A few years ago, a Derby student drew the flag and got suspended. Later, the appearance of the flag at the downtown flag pavilion offended people.

Now this.

The interesting thing here is how Ney, the city and even the producer of the video seem to agree that, at minimum, the Confederate flag is divisive.

They understand the terror and hate that the flag represents for lots of people.

So why are people still flying it?

When the South rises again, what does that mean? Another Civil War? Rejection of American principles? A return to slavery?

This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion.

It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.

1 posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:32 AM PDT by Rebeleye
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To: Rebeleye

Looks like this fool Ney is trying to make a name for himself.

He should stick to chasing ambulances.


2 posted on 05/24/2007 6:05:07 AM PDT by mkjessup (Jan 20, 2009 - "We Don't Know. Where Rudy Went. Just Glad He's Not. The President. Burma Shave.")
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To: Rebeleye

I’m pure yankee and the flag doesn’t bother me a bit.


3 posted on 05/24/2007 6:07:45 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: mkjessup; Rebeleye

What do you expect from a border state?........


4 posted on 05/24/2007 6:08:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: Rebeleye

Fools wo forget, or worse yet deny history, are doomed to repeat it.


5 posted on 05/24/2007 6:10:02 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Rebeleye
The solution to bad speech is more speech. Here is what I say;

Yeeeehhhaaawwwwwhh - The Sauth weeel rahs ahgeeen!

And what lose?

6 posted on 05/24/2007 6:12:13 AM PDT by frithguild (The Freepers moved as a group, like a school of sharks sweeping toward an unaware and unarmed victim)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m pure yankee and the flag doesn’t bother me a bit.

Hey I'm pure Yankee too. When I was growing up however many kids I knew adopted the confederate flag (wore it on hats, put it on their cars, etc.). To them it had nothing to do with racism but instead was a mere symbol of just being a "rebel" or being independent, etc. Nobody thought about it any deeper than that.

8 posted on 05/24/2007 6:12:57 AM PDT by rhombus
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To: Rebeleye

Wichita - how ironic...


9 posted on 05/24/2007 6:14:35 AM PDT by an amused spectator (Gun Control, the Sequel: More and Morerer)
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To: Rebeleye
What Ney and others refuse to consider is that in those days, a battle flag was necessary because it identified who was present, and where they were. No matter which flag was displayed, nimrods like Ney would still say the flag represented racism, instead of admitting that they served as battlefield identifiers. He and the other screwballs probably think both sides should have flown identical flags so that no one would be offended. Maybe the flags should have had cuddly puppies and kitties.
10 posted on 05/24/2007 6:15:07 AM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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To: mkjessup

Damn Carpetbagger...They are just jealous.


11 posted on 05/24/2007 6:15:09 AM PDT by AlexW (Reporting from Bratislava, Slovakia)
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To: Rebeleye
"The South Shall Rise Again"

To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.

12 posted on 05/24/2007 6:16:18 AM PDT by D-Chivas
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To: Rebeleye

I think we have much greater problems with the Politicly Left in this country than we have with the Rebel Flag.

I have great worries with the Illegal Mexicans flying the Mexican flag during Hateful protests than I do with the rebel Flag.

Get A Grip.


13 posted on 05/24/2007 6:16:41 AM PDT by chatham
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To: xcamel
"Fools wo forget,"

True. Wo has been forgotten already.

14 posted on 05/24/2007 6:17:10 AM PDT by Enterprise (I can't talk about liberals anymore because some of the words will get me sent to rehab.)
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To: TonyRo76

Amen brother. You took the words right out of my mouth.

A proud southern cajun boy.


15 posted on 05/24/2007 6:17:38 AM PDT by nanook (Thomas Jefferson had it right.)
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To: cripplecreek
I’m pure yankee and the flag doesn’t bother me a bit.

On the other hand, when I see a bunch of people waving the confederate battle flag I get the urge to buy a Dodge Charger, paint it dark blue with a 35 star Union flag on the top, and wire it's horn to play the Battle Hymm of the Republic. I'll name it the General Grant.

16 posted on 05/24/2007 6:17:59 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Parker v. DC: the best court decision of the year.)
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To: frithguild

“Ah ain’t no ways tahrrred of that flag.”


17 posted on 05/24/2007 6:18:09 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum.)
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To: Enterprise

lol - “who”.
Wo was “workin’ on the railroad”


18 posted on 05/24/2007 6:18:36 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: Rebeleye

I’m not ashamed to be “white”.


19 posted on 05/24/2007 6:19:39 AM PDT by SWEETSUNNYSOUTH (Help stamp out liberalism!)
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To: Rebeleye
Maybe it means that States Rights will mean something again one day.

Here is a video that was posted in another thread. It was originally on Youtube, but got pulled for some reason. This is the only site I can find it on now.

Be advised that there are links to adult oriented videos at this site.

http://www.yikers.com/video_the_civil_war_in_four_minutes.html

I’m not going to debate the civil war. But, watch the casualty numbers and also watch how aggressive the South was in trying to Conquer the North.

Oops, I think I meant the North attacking the South

20 posted on 05/24/2007 6:20:37 AM PDT by Gvl_M3 (Sometimes, you have to stand up for yourself, even if it doesn't look "Compassionate.")
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To: Rebeleye
""It's a First Amendment issue. City government can't keep insensitive idiots off the streets any more than The Eagle can keep them out of its Opinion Line." "

Ha! while not accurate, i enjoyed the jab at the Eagle.
21 posted on 05/24/2007 6:20:46 AM PDT by tfecw (It's for the children)
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To: SWEETSUNNYSOUTH
most if not all of the left is ashamed to be human....
22 posted on 05/24/2007 6:20:50 AM PDT by xcamel (Press to Test, Release to Detonate)
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To: TonyRo76
I agree with you. But there are too many trendy-set Steve Spurriers out there that have no intellectual depth and only a comic book level of historical perspective.

Walter Williams is a bold defender of the Confederate Battle Flag and keeps one in his office.

23 posted on 05/24/2007 6:20:52 AM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American than a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Rebeleye
What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again"

Depends whose saying it. :-)


24 posted on 05/24/2007 6:21:11 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: KarlInOhio

I always pictured the General Grant as more of a GTO.


25 posted on 05/24/2007 6:21:47 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: Polybius

whose = who’s


26 posted on 05/24/2007 6:21:55 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: mkjessup

Its the Nazification of my forefathers by the PC Police and I’m sick of it. Below is a Great book I would recomend if you or your ancestors were from the South. There is no reason we should be ashamed, and this book gives you plenty of reasons to be proud.

The Politically Incorrect Guide to the South: by Clint Johnson
http://south.politicallyincorrectguide.com/offers/offer.php?id=PGSTH001

What the PC police don’t want you to know—and what they got plain wrong—about the South

From the Founding Fathers to the frontiersmen who tamed the West to the country music, NASCAR, Bible-thumping heart of “Red State” America, the South is the quintessence of what’s original, unique, and most loved about American culture. Yet, thanks to the PC police, the heritage and culture of the South is under attack. The PC establishment is so intent on spreading the myth of the South as prejudiced and ignorant that it even wants to rewrite its history.

But author Clint Johnson rises up in fierce resistance to the second war against the South. He reveals that, far from being the backwater of the nation, the South has always been the center of American culture and history, and that the South is truly rising again. He provides you with the information you need to fight the battles being waged against Southern heritage and pride.

The Politically Incorrect Guide™ to the South (and Why It Will Rise Again) is here to even the score by taking a stand for Dixie, and proving why the South, its traditional values, military service, good manners, and fierce independence will certainly rise again.


27 posted on 05/24/2007 6:21:57 AM PDT by NavyCanDo
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To: xcamel

“Wo was “workin’ on the railroad”

I thought “I’ve” been working on the railroad, all the livelong days.


28 posted on 05/24/2007 6:21:58 AM PDT by edcoil (Reality doesn't say much - doesn't need too)
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To: TonyRo76

I wonder why this “person” Ney doesn’t spend more time fighting the slavery that is currently going on in Africa? Isn’t that more “offensive” than an abstract interpretation of a flag regarding slavery 160 yrs ago? Come on, man - get some perspective!


29 posted on 05/24/2007 6:21:59 AM PDT by The Worthless Miracle (I think Jamie Dupree is annoying.)
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To: Rebeleye

“Because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many MORONS, including Ney.

There, that fixed it.


30 posted on 05/24/2007 6:22:29 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom! Non-Sequitur = Pee Wee Herman.)
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To: Polybius

Only a small segment of the Southern population owned slaves. Most of those in Gray were poor backwoods boys who were fighting for honor. That’s why they hold on to their flags. To them it wasn’t about race.


31 posted on 05/24/2007 6:23:40 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: Rebeleye

Slavery existed almost a hundred years under the Stars and Stripes, but I guess this ignorant writer doesn’t know that.


32 posted on 05/24/2007 6:23:46 AM PDT by kittymyrib
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To: Rebeleye
Bleedin' Kansan < /Cockney Accent>

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

34 posted on 05/24/2007 6:26:33 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: Rebeleye
people still think it is cool to fly this flag.

It upsets liberals to no end....so yes, it is cool to fly it. :)
35 posted on 05/24/2007 6:28:01 AM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: D-Chivas; stainlessbanner; stand watie; 4CJ
To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.

Awwww, bless your heart you didn't get past 4th grade history class either did you?

"I was appalled that this racist symbol was receiving de facto sanction by the city of Wichita," Ney wrote to me in an e-mail.

Well when Mr. Ney is finished his campaign of ignorance in Kansas, he's free to come to NC and take the 3rd National that flies in front of my house

CSA ping

36 posted on 05/24/2007 6:29:40 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: TonyRo76
an MSM brownshirt,

I like that expression!!
37 posted on 05/24/2007 6:29:52 AM PDT by true_blue_texican (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic...)
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To: mkjessup

If it’s ok to ban the Rebel Flag, which by the way was a battle flag, then why do we allow people to fly the Nazi flag? It’s just something else to divide the people. They need to get over it.


38 posted on 05/24/2007 6:30:46 AM PDT by RC2
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To: KarlInOhio
On the other hand, when I see a bunch of people waving the confederate battle flag I get the urge to buy a Dodge Charger, paint it dark blue with a 35 star Union flag on the top, and wire it's horn to play the Battle Hymm of the Republic. I'll name it the General Grant.

Actually, that's the way it should be.

Use the battle flags to honor the soldiers that did their duty as they saw it and leave the battle flags out of current politics.


39 posted on 05/24/2007 6:31:35 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: billbears
LOL
Makes you wonder if more libs should've played "capture the flag" as little kids. Maybe then they'd understand.
40 posted on 05/24/2007 6:31:51 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: D-Chivas

“To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.”

Shows how very little you know about the South. It also shows what kind of bigot you are.

“Democrat redneck white trash”? You ignorance is only eclipsed by your hatred.


41 posted on 05/24/2007 6:31:59 AM PDT by L98Fiero (A fool who'll waste his life, God rest his guts.)
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To: Polybius

“Big Johnson” t-shirts used to have a “Dixie Johnson” version which gave that meaning to “The South Will Rise Again.”

I think I still have mine...somewhere.


42 posted on 05/24/2007 6:32:48 AM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Rebeleye

Let’s see. Where are all the limp-wristed, sissy-boy, liberal wusses currently concentrated? In the North or in the South? Hummm. Which states almost always vote for Democrats? Hummm. Which states exercise the most control over their citizens? Hummm.


43 posted on 05/24/2007 6:32:53 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (Nosotros no hablamos espaņol.)
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To: D-Chivas

“To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.”

Please stay up north, then. Far up north.


44 posted on 05/24/2007 6:33:17 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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There are a lot of southerners here in southeastern Michigan. Their families came during WWII to work in the war industries and never left. Most held firm to their southern heritage.


45 posted on 05/24/2007 6:33:30 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Greed is NOT a conservative ideal.)
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To: mkjessup

Oh Mark give it a rest. Historical flags are still that. It doesn’t mean they want slavery again, you dolt.


46 posted on 05/24/2007 6:34:04 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: KarlInOhio

“and wire it’s horn to play the Battle Hymm of the Republic”

If you read the lyrics of the “Battle Hymn of the Republic”, it refers to killing American civilians, families....

What do you think “trample out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored”?


47 posted on 05/24/2007 6:35:07 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Red Badger
What do you expect from a border state?........

Kansas wasn't a border state, we were solidly in the Union for the duration of the War of Southern Rebellion. We don't need to rise again.

48 posted on 05/24/2007 6:35:59 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Rebeleye
"City government can't keep insensitive idiots off the streets any more than The Eagle can keep them out of its Opinion Line."

Or off its editorial pages...

49 posted on 05/24/2007 6:36:13 AM PDT by Redbob (WWJBD -"What would Jack Bauer do?")
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To: Rebeleye
It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.

I don't think this is what they're after at all. I think they want to erase 80 years of American History because they don't like it.

50 posted on 05/24/2007 6:37:24 AM PDT by ichabod1 ("Liberals read Karl Marx. Conservatives UNDERSTAND Karl Marx." Ronald Reagan)
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