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What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again":
The Wichita (KS) Eagle ^ | 23 May 2007 | Mark McCormick

Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye

...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.

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To: FredHunter08
What was in the Constitution agreed to by all the colonies in 1783? The above.

So that's what the South meant when they said they were trying to preserve the Constitution?

Lincoln didn’t fight the war to end slavery. If you had clue one you’d understand that.

No, he fought it to preserve the Union and because war was the path that Jefferson Davis chose. The question really is why the South chose armed rebellion in the first place and defense of their institution of slavery was by far the most important reason for their decision.

101 posted on 05/24/2007 7:04:35 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: FredHunter08

Yeah OK, that makes allot of sense.


102 posted on 05/24/2007 7:05:11 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Rebeleye

The La Raza clan shout about Aztlan. Isn’t that a notion of “The South Is Gonna Rise Again”?

Different South but very racially motivated (The Race is doing the shouting) and territorial.

With media portrayals of backwood hicks with bad accents (by strangely non-southern actors), there seem to be some in America intent on keeping the people of the Southern states down.


103 posted on 05/24/2007 7:05:19 AM PDT by weegee (Libs want us to learn to live with terrorism, but if a gun is used they want to rewrite the Const.)
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To: frithguild

If ya’ll want to burn Atlanta again, go for it. It is full of liberals.


104 posted on 05/24/2007 7:05:55 AM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: RegulatorCountry
You do know who insisted upon that whole 2/3 thing, don't you? (Hint: it wasn't southerners)

Ummm. You think it was the Northerners who insisted on keeping 1/3 of the South's population in bondage? I think you are confusing NS's point about the Southern population free/slave ratio with the 3/5th clause in the Constitution.

105 posted on 05/24/2007 7:06:26 AM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

“Yeah OK, that makes allot of sense.”

Just as much sense as your statement.


106 posted on 05/24/2007 7:07:03 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: FredHunter08

Man, you are so off base with me on this topic we should just stop now.


107 posted on 05/24/2007 7:07:07 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: noname07718
History of the Confederate Battle Flag
108 posted on 05/24/2007 7:08:24 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner ("Si vis pacem para bellum")
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To: Rebeleye
I wanted to name my youngest son after Joshua Chamberlain. If I can look at that flag without getting a bur under my saddle, anybody should be able to.

That said, "The South shall rise again" may be the dumbest slogan in american history.

109 posted on 05/24/2007 7:08:32 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Badeye
“Man, you are so off base with me on this topic we should just stop now.”

I’m off base over what?

My statement as to the advantage the North had?

Logistics won the day for the North. Yes, that was something Grant recognized. My point was that the industry that drove that military machine was run on what we would now call “slavery”.

110 posted on 05/24/2007 7:09:22 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Non-Sequitur

‘No, he fought it to preserve the Union and because war was the path that Jefferson Davis chose. The question really is why the South chose armed rebellion in the first place and defense of their institution of slavery was by far the most important reason for their decision.’

A quote attributed to Longstreet comes to mind;

‘We should have freed all the slaves, THEN fired on Ft Sumnter.’

Had they done so, I think America today would likely resemble Europe, with a half dozen ‘countries’.


111 posted on 05/24/2007 7:10:13 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: LexBaird
“You think it was the Northerners who insisted on keeping 1/3 of the South’s population in bondage? “

You think the Northern slave traders (all those shipping companies....) had a problem with it?

You think the average Northerner had a problem with it? You might want to consider the laws in many Northern states prior to the War of Northern Aggression.

112 posted on 05/24/2007 7:10:53 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: LexBaird; RegulatorCountry
I believe that RC mistaken thought your statement was a reference to the great compromise.
113 posted on 05/24/2007 7:10:55 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: LexBaird
You think it was the Northerners who insisted on keeping 1/3 of the South's population in bondage?

The northern industrial complex benefitted mightily, due to the labor of those in bondage. Outside of radical abolitionists, who were quite fringe even in the north in the years leading up to war, I see nothing in history to indicate a lack of willingess to profit thusly. So, what's your point?

114 posted on 05/24/2007 7:11:02 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: FredHunter08

‘Logistics won the day for the North. Yes, that was something Grant recognized. My point was that the industry that drove that military machine was run on what we would now call “slavery”.’

Sounds like a rationalization.


115 posted on 05/24/2007 7:11:12 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Non-Sequitur

Gotta love the Onion........


116 posted on 05/24/2007 7:11:12 AM PDT by captjanaway
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To: KarlInOhio
On the other hand, when I see a bunch of people waving the confederate battle flag I get the urge to buy a Dodge Charger, paint it dark blue with a 35 star Union flag on the top, and wire it's horn to play the Battle Hymm of the Republic. I'll name it the General Grant.

Hmmmm...I think you just gave me an idea for a modeling project. I'm wondering what color I should paint it...

117 posted on 05/24/2007 7:11:29 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: TonyRo76

Your post #7 is absolutely right. Well said!


118 posted on 05/24/2007 7:11:51 AM PDT by Moonmad27
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To: RegulatorCountry
Well, well ... aren't you just a ball of confusion this morning. You do know who insisted upon that whole 2/3 thing, don't you? (Hint: it wasn't southerners)

No, it was the North. And before you apply any sort of noble purpose to the Southern desire to have each slave counted as a whole person, their sole reason was to increase their disproportionate representation in Congress. Slaves didn't vote and didn't have any rights. In the South they were property, not people. It was highly hypocritical of the Southern leadership to demand they be counted as such for crass political purposes. The 3/5ths limit was a compromise. Considering their status they probably shouldn't have been counted at all.

You'll also notice that the South kept the 3/5th clause in their own constitution. I guess they decided it wasn't that bad, huh?

119 posted on 05/24/2007 7:12:19 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Joe 6-pack
“Ah ain’t no ways tahrrred of that flag.”

Who was it that said she sounded like Granny Clampett trying to get on American Idol?

120 posted on 05/24/2007 7:12:29 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Rebeleye

I’m a life-long Northerner, and I used to occasionally see the Confederate flag back in the hippy days, used - so I assumed - as sort of a symbol of rebellion and non-conformity. I certainly don’t think those hippies were using it as a way of approving slavery or racial discrimination.

When it is used by Southerners, I see it as a symbol of regional pride, not as a defense of slavery or even necessarily as a defense of the Confederacy. Northerners who condemn it conveniently forget the history of de facto segregation and racial discrimination which was pervasive throughout the whole country for a hundred years after the Civil War. Should we therefore also ban the Stars and Stripes?


121 posted on 05/24/2007 7:12:57 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle ("Above all, shake your bum at Burton.")
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To: TonyRo76
"To me, the Confederate flag stands for states' rights, self-determination, honor, courage and bold defiance against authoritarian government. It's also an historic symbol of Southern heritage—a heritage in which I proudly share."

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122 posted on 05/24/2007 7:13:23 AM PDT by No Blue States
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To: Badeye
“Sounds like a rationalization.”

Sounds like a pointing out of hypocrisy to me.

Of course, the North didn’t fight the South over slavery. They fought to force them to remain in the Union at the point of a gun.

The British opinion of all this was interesting, to say the least. “So, it’s OK to secede from us, but damn them from trying to secede from you.”

123 posted on 05/24/2007 7:13:59 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Gvl_M3
Oops, I think I meant the North attacking the South

These sorts of things happen when you seize a nation's sovereign territory (federal armories, etc.) and fire on its troops.

124 posted on 05/24/2007 7:14:16 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: RacerF150

‘Let’s see. Where are all the limp-wristed, sissy-boy, liberal wusses currently concentrated? In the North or in the South?’

Psssssst. John Edwards. Henry Waxman. Lindsay Graham.

Just three that quickly popped into my head after reading the above, friend.


125 posted on 05/24/2007 7:14:32 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: StoneWall Brigade

ping. I am too lazy to scroll thru and see if you are on this thread. If not, thought you might be interested.


126 posted on 05/24/2007 7:14:39 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: FredHunter08

“To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.”

Please stay up north, then. Far up north.’

(chuckle)

See? We do agree on something....


127 posted on 05/24/2007 7:15:10 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Non-Sequitur

Sorry, I lost track. The video that I posted shows 702,000 for the North and about 650,000 for the South.

And before you ask, it was recorded at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Museum

Here is the old youtube link (scroll down):
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=4%20minute%20civil%20war&search=Search

The author comments “As many people is asking questions about this video I want to say that I recorded it at the Abraham Lincoln Presidential Museum.”


128 posted on 05/24/2007 7:15:33 AM PDT by Gvl_M3 (Sometimes, you have to stand up for yourself, even if it doesn't look "Compassionate.")
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To: Rebeleye

On the subject at hand, the display of the CBF doesn’t bother me as a symbol of historical significance or “Southern heritage”. I do wonder, however, why the loyal Sons of the South let it be continually co-opted and defiled by the racists and neo-gnatzi boobs. Y’all need to have a “come to Jesus” lesson for those boys and girls, every time they use that symbol to push their anti-Americanism (in all senses of the term).


129 posted on 05/24/2007 7:15:48 AM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: HEY4QDEMS
I believe that RC mistaken thought your statement was a reference to the great compromise.

You're right. It's just such a frequent misstatement of fact, that when I saw a fraction, I ran with it.

130 posted on 05/24/2007 7:16:26 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: Badeye
A quote attributed to Longstreet comes to mind;

‘We should have freed all the slaves, THEN fired on Ft Sumnter.’

Actually that quote should be attribted to the screenwriter for "Gettysburg" because that's were it came from. I've never seen any evidence that Longstreet himself never said anything like that in any of the biographies I've read.

131 posted on 05/24/2007 7:16:27 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: LexBaird

“I do wonder, however, why the loyal Sons of the South let it be continually co-opted and defiled by the racists and neo-gnatzi boobs.”

How do you propose that this be stopped?


132 posted on 05/24/2007 7:16:39 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: rhombus
To them it had nothing to do with racism but instead was a mere symbol of just being a "rebel" or being independent, etc.

As a teen, my daughter had one hung in her room. To her, it has something vaguely to do with Country Music and NASCAR. She didn't have a clue about the history of it till I explained it to her.

133 posted on 05/24/2007 7:16:52 AM PDT by Ditto (Global Warming: The 21st Century's Snake Oil)
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To: thulldud

‘(Don’t know that Grant drank much while he was president, but his speeding was the bane of the D.C. police department.)’

He didn’t, and yes it was a concern for the DC constables. At one point a constable gave him a ticket.


134 posted on 05/24/2007 7:16:56 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Rebeleye

I grew up in Pennsylvania during the 1950s and 1960s. To this day I resent how I was taught Civil War History. When I learned more on my own, I became convinced it was the war of Northern Aggression.

BTW, I do like wearing my Confederate Flag cufflinks. Good conversation starter.


135 posted on 05/24/2007 7:17:03 AM PDT by GambrillsGuy
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To: The Worthless Miracle
I wonder why this “person” Ney doesn’t spend more time fighting the slavery that is currently going on in Africa? Isn’t that more “offensive” than an abstract interpretation of a flag regarding slavery 160 yrs ago?

A fair question.

136 posted on 05/24/2007 7:17:04 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: Rebeleye
The Confederate Flag notwithstanding, a moment's reflection--not to mention a drive through the South--or merely turning on the telly--will reveal to anyone that the South has already risen again.

The South is booming. Real estate values have skyrocketed. Prosperity is everywhere. Southern cities glitter--Atlanta, Charlotte, Jacksonville, Dallas, Houston, Charleston, Savannah, Memphis...uh...New Orleans excepted.

Ten of the biggest states are part of the old Confederacy: Texas, Florida, Georgia, and North Carolina.

Of the eleven Presidents who've come to office since 1945, four have been from the South (a dubious distinction, as it turns out): Johnson, Carter, Clinton, and G. W. Bush--six if you count Truman and G. H. W. Bush.

Southern influences have overwhelmed the nation--everything from Nashville music to the Masters and the Preakness to Martin Luther King to Southern born Oprah Winfrey (note tagline), Larry Brown, Julia Roberts, Sandra Bullock, Leontyne Price, Andy McDowell, Al Gore, George Clooney, Ted Turner, Fred Thompson--Queen Elizabeth drops in on Jamestown and the Kentucky Derby--even Jane Fonda, Elton John, and Ben Affleck can't resist at least a pied a terre there.

Try as one might, it's hard to deny. Stop fighting it; fix yourself a mint julip or a glass of North Carolina wine; and book tickets for the Spoleto Festival while you watch Alton Brown.

137 posted on 05/24/2007 7:17:14 AM PDT by Savage Beast (Of all that I have accomplished, the thing that I am proudest of is that I have a good heart. ~Oprah)
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To: Rebeleye
This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion.

I'll take the Confederate flag any day of the week over the Mexican flags almost everywhere I turn!!!

138 posted on 05/24/2007 7:17:43 AM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: TonyRo76

Here Here! You are RIGHT on the money with that post.


139 posted on 05/24/2007 7:17:53 AM PDT by Free in PRA (Living in The People's Republic of Arlington, VA)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The original RED STATE.............

140 posted on 05/24/2007 7:18:06 AM PDT by Red Badger (My gerund got caught in my diphthong, and now I have a dangling participle...............)
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To: FredHunter08
The British opinion of all this was interesting, to say the least. “So, it’s OK to secede from us, but damn them from trying to secede from you.”

What a stupid statement, apparantly it wasn't "OK" for us to secede from GB, else we wouldn't have had to fight the revolutionary war.

I'd love to see the source for that quote.
141 posted on 05/24/2007 7:18:06 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: P-40
It upsets liberals to no end....so yes, it is cool to fly it. :)

Ah...finally we agree. :-)

142 posted on 05/24/2007 7:18:13 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: noname07718

‘I am in total agreement with you. Just as an aside; the “Stars and Bars” is the official Confederate flag. What everyone flies is the Confederate Battle flag. This flag was originally flown by naval vessels and later used by the Confederate land forces’

Yep, and these yahoos ranting about the ‘battle flag’ wouldn’t know the ‘unstained banner’ if you hit them with it.


143 posted on 05/24/2007 7:18:13 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Non-Sequitur
The question really is why the South chose armed rebellion in the first place and defense of their institution of slavery was by far the most important reason for their decision.

No doubt the first states to secede chose rebellion for that reason. But the remainder seceded once they saw the Union's reaction; once they realized they were living under tyranny.

144 posted on 05/24/2007 7:18:28 AM PDT by Texas Federalist
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To: kittymyrib
Slavery existed almost a hundred years under the Stars and Stripes, but I guess this ignorant writer doesn’t know that

Slavery existed for almost two hundred years under the Union Jack in original Colonies. BTW, I'm a Carpet Bagger living in North Carolina and consider the Stars and Bars to be an important part of the history of the United States and the South. There are many flags that have flown over different parts of our country since people who respect flags discovered the Americas and they represent everything that makes us better that the rest of the world.

145 posted on 05/24/2007 7:18:33 AM PDT by Dixie Yooper (Ephesians 6:11)
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To: Non-Sequitur

“No, he fought it to preserve the Union and because war was the path that Jefferson Davis chose. “

South Carolina fired on Sumter - a fort in their territory that would not stand down and was a direct threat (kind of like Iraq, in that way), but the other Southern states didn’t.

Virginia didn’t secede until Lincoln ordered them to attack the states further south.

Elements of both sides wanted a war.


146 posted on 05/24/2007 7:18:43 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: HEY4QDEMS

“What a stupid statement, apparantly it wasn’t “OK” for us to secede from GB, else we wouldn’t have had to fight the revolutionary war.”

Not my point, or their’s. Of course, obvious points miss you entirely.

“I’d love to see the source for that quote.”

It wasn’t a direct quote, of coures.


147 posted on 05/24/2007 7:20:15 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: MamaTexan; massgopguy

‘Most of those in Gray were poor backwoods boys who were fighting for honor.
Actually, they were fighting to keep the federal government within its Constitutional boundaries.’

Question to a Reb private captured in 1862;

‘Why are you fighting? You don’t own slaves, you aren’t a wealthy planation owner.”

Answer “Cause your down here....’


148 posted on 05/24/2007 7:20:15 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: mkjessup

Its the same old-historical southern culturtural attacks that liberals and (primarily) northerners have been fighting since the south said “heck no” back in the 1860’s


149 posted on 05/24/2007 7:20:17 AM PDT by JSDude1 (www.pence08.com.)
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To: Rebeleye

So let’s have a rap video with guys calling the ladies bitches and ho’s while capping cops and killing for street cred. Either we have freedom of speech or we don’t.

“Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.” Voltaire


150 posted on 05/24/2007 7:20:37 AM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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