Skip to comments.What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again":
Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye
...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
So let’s have a rap video with guys calling the ladies bitches and ho’s while capping cops and killing for street cred. Either we have freedom of speech or we don’t.
“Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.” Voltaire
‘You haven’t ever driven around, say, downtown Detroit, and compared it to any Southern city, have you?
You mean like...New Orleans? Even pre-Katrina?’
Ouch, that’ll leave a mark.
At times like this I remember the relationship between Sherman and Johnston, the way Lee and Grant reacted with utter disdain to any criticism of the other, and the whirlwind romance and marriage of Union Brigadier General Smith Atkins to the daughter of David Lowry Swain, former Governor of North Carolina.
‘That war was won in South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia.’
Actually it was ‘won’ the moment Vickburg fell, its a testiment to the unbelievable endurance of the South that the war continued for two years after it fell in July of 1863.
To be fair, that's because we're more urbanized, god help us. If we could get Chicago to secede and become the 51st state, Illinois would be the best state in the Union.
‘Well, Grant did love an under-three-minute trotter, but when he got busted he was up front and honest about it.
A D.C. cop once pulled him over then was covered with confusion when he realized who he’d stopped. “Officer, do your duty,” said Grant. He always paid the piper for his dancing. And he was a brave man, refusing narcotics for pain from his throat cancer so he could finish his autobiography to support his family.
Full disclosure: I’m as southern as they come, but my cousin Julia Dent married U.S. Grant. She must have seen something in him.’
You are absolutely correct on all counts in this post.
Just as Alaska should be able to leave the Union so they can drill for their oil, the south wanted to be able to ship their raw goods overseas without over taxation forced on them by people outside their states.
I am just waiting for the huge city states of our nation to force the midwest to supply them free chickens, cattle and grain. It is coming. They are the majority.
Well said. I agree totally. And OUTSIDE AGITATERS should mind their own business. Not that they are going to do this, but I just thought I would mention....
Kansas didn't exist then, and neither did Vicksburg. I was referring to the Revolution.
“I’ll take the Confederate flag any day of the week over the Mexican flags almost everywhere I turn!!!”
Nope. You're projecting how you feel about Northern battle conduct onto lyrics that have nothing to do with specific tactics.
What do you think trample out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored?
Read Lincoln's Second Inaugural and ask yourself that question again.
It always breaks my heart to see the flag at KKK rallies though. Those idiots perpetuate myths and misunderstanding by hiding behind it.
My tag line ain't about North or South. Its about Gen. Sherman.
Your picture is one of the reasons this country has been so successful.
It was only a very few years after the war that folks were getting together on battlefields for reenactments and picnics. Men in Blue and Gray would willingly sit down at the dinner table and break bread together.
In other nations, you see deep animosities that periodically result in pogroms, and general death and mayhem.
Sure, we still have regional rivalries, but that’s fairly natural, and pre-existed the War Between the States anyway.
Marse Robert’s actions in April, 1865 (I highly recommend the book ‘April 1865’) went a long way to making this happen.
THIS is what so many people don't get.
While the Founders believed "All men were created equal", it didn't mean society or government was obligated to keep them that way. There actually was (and still is) a legalistic tier of different types of ~persons~
While slaves were property, what we call 'illegals' today were referred to as 'denizens', and denizens did NOT have the same legal standing as a citizen of one of the several States. Denizens had natural rights, but not civil ones.
Thats why today's illegals have more rights than the people that were born here....they are still 'natural persons' in law, with all of their freedoms still attached, while a "citizen of the United States" is an artificial person with only privileges granted by government.
"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
(Kitchens v. Steele 112 F.Supp 383).
If it does offend you, you need a history lesson!
You are absolutely correct. History is always distorted in favor of the winners. The descendants of the winners are now being beaten down by the globalist forces, in part because they have bought into the racial history teachings and are ignoring states' rights, self-determination, honor, courage and bold defiance against authoritarian government.
Not specific tactics, just a desire to punish Southern Americans.
“Read Lincoln’s Second Inaugural and ask yourself that question again.”
The Battle Hymn of the Republic was written by Julia Howe, not Lincoln.
There you go; lose the argument - change the terms. The original comment had to do with the claim that the South was fighting to preserve "government for the people, by the people and of the people.
Not only is the phrase strangely borrowed from Lincoln, but it's use to justify a democracy built on enslaving 1/3 of the population, and dedicated to preserving the States' "right" to do so, is somewhat discordant.
“To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.”
In your case, thats not a bad idea.
And I, as a southerner, don’t give a rat’s behind WHAT a yankee thinks about anything, particularly anything in the south. Outside agitaters have no clout here.
Some of the most enjoyable hours of my youth!
That referred to a general view of their opinion from their press. Unless, of course, you think there was actually a man named “British” to be quoted. I would presume that from your asinine argument.
“I know your a newbie here, but that’s no excuse to make up BS to get your point across.
And making up more BS when you are called for your original BS doesn’t make you look any better.”
Being too dense to see the point isn’t making you look very good, son. Calling the ancestors of a bastion of conservatism in the United States “enemies of America” isn’t either.
Everyone interested in the Civil war should also check out the section on Southern Big Government in LS's "A Patriot's History of the United States." A real eye-opener...the Confederate government was pretty much running the entire economy down to the smallest detail.
“And I, as a southerner, dont give a rats behind WHAT a yankee thinks about anything, particularly anything in the south. Outside agitaters have no clout here.”
The problem is, they all want to move down here and ruin it.
In all fairness the average Southern supporter is no more responsible for the misuse of the confederate flag by hate groups as the average Christian is for the misuse of the cross by those same people.
You can lead a yankee to the truth, but that doesn’t overcome years of public schooling and indoctrination of the terminally brain dead.
WEll, you need to find something to do besides making trouble where none exists in places you do not belong. Ain’t too much to do in Kansas, is there.
“A real eye-opener...the Confederate government was pretty much running the entire economy down to the smallest detail.”
True, but the North was run the same way during the war.
Bad, bad, Badeye!...you owe me a keyboard.
‘Logistics won the day for the North.’
Only after Grant put all the Union armies in motion at once. Prior to that, with the exception of Gettysburg, the eastern theater was dominated by the incomparable Robert E Lee’s masterful defensive actions, and counter attacks.
Logistics was at the heart of why the South didn’t win its Independence. Their own ‘logistics’ were undermined by the extreme ‘states rights’ stance the South incorporated via their version of the Constitution. In short, that extreme viewpoint planted the seeds of the Confederates ultimate defeat.
did you know the state of Georgia had 50,000 complete uniform sets, with shoes, the day Lee surrendered his barefoot and rag clad magnificent warriors?
” Yes, that was something Grant recognized. My point was that the industry that drove that military machine was run on what we would now call slavery.’
Thats a rationalization that isn’t supported by any facts from the era, only modern liberalism doing what it always does, rationalize. Sorry, maybe a sweat shop, but not ‘slavery’ not even remotely close.
Hmmmm...take stuff from people and destroy railways or kill Southern men in the field in a futile bloodletting? Gee, what a horrible man Grant was...
Well, that didn't take long.
To the liberal mind, it is a very short distance from
Confederate Battle Flag = Nazi
Old Glory = Nazi
5/24/07 | ...... U.S. Flag Blasted by United Methodist Official ...... a leader in the United Methodist Church has called for the removal of U.S. flags from the denomination's churches. Minister Clayton Childers of the Capitol Hill-based United Methodist Board of Church and Society said the presence of a national flag can imply endorsement of national policies, which often are counter to the teachings of Christ. Childers even noted that the Swastika flag was displayed prominently in German churches during the Nazi era. ........Mark Tooley is with the Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD). "Obviously," he notes, "there are a number of serious problems with that Nazi-American analogy
I grew up in a northern, industrial city. Some time in the early fifties, the hats worn by Civil War soldiers became popular, and you saw the rebel gray at least as much as the union blue. (In fact, that was my own choice.) No one attached any social significance to this at all.
The fact you could kill a slave you ‘owned’ on a whim seems to escape some on this thread, doesn’t it?
I can’t help but laugh at the statement the northern workers were also ‘slaves’ based on that alone.
She did have one good eye, I understand. But true love sees with something more piercing than eyesight.
‘When it is used by Southerners, I see it as a symbol of regional pride’
Note the commonalities: Large size and generations of Dem control.
‘The British opinion of all this was interesting, to say the least. So, its OK to secede from us, but damn them from trying to secede from you.’
Actually the opinion of the Brits was ‘how barbaric, the institution of slavery’ and thats why they didn’t intervene.
You can look that up, btw.
States’ rights to do what?
South Carolina didn't fire on Sumer - a federal fort that did not belong to South Carolina - the confederacy did. As such, it was all the Southern states firing on Sumter and as a result initiating the war. Blaming it all on South Carolina because the firing started there makes no more sense than blaming it all on Lincoln because he insisted on retaining ownership of federal property.
Did you read the article that started this thread?
OK great idea, indulge your urge and go for it. Just don't tell me I can't indulge my urge to paint the Stars and Bars on my Charger and name it General Lee.
That's what's so great about America, we all have our opinions and sentiments and we can all express them without fear of government reprisal. At least we can until politically correct would-be tyrants like the lawyer quoted in this article take away our constitutional right to freely speak our minds and express our opinions.
If you guys had gotten what you wanted there would not be a United States today. We would be the Balkans with cowboys.
The same way you'd stop the defiling of any symbol you hold precious. Say, burning the Holy Cross on someone's lawn, for example.
LOL, I’m afraid you’re correct.