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What Does It Mean "The South Shall Rise Again":
The Wichita (KS) Eagle ^ | 23 May 2007 | Mark McCormick

Posted on 05/24/2007 6:03:30 AM PDT by Rebeleye

...he was stunned to see two large Confederate flags flying from trucks...emblazoned with the words "The South Shall Rise Again." I'm stunned, too, that people still think it is cool to fly this flag. Our society should bury these flags -- not flaunt them...because the Confederate flag symbolizes racial tyranny to so many... ...This flag doesn't belong on city streets, in videos or in the middle of civil discussion. It belongs in our past -- in museums and in history books -- along with the ideas it represents.

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To: Rebeleye

So let’s have a rap video with guys calling the ladies bitches and ho’s while capping cops and killing for street cred. Either we have freedom of speech or we don’t.

“Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too.” Voltaire


151 posted on 05/24/2007 7:20:43 AM PDT by Waverunner ( "Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so too." Voltaire)
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To: Non-Sequitur

‘You haven’t ever driven around, say, downtown Detroit, and compared it to any Southern city, have you?
You mean like...New Orleans? Even pre-Katrina?’

Ouch, that’ll leave a mark.


152 posted on 05/24/2007 7:20:47 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Polybius

At times like this I remember the relationship between Sherman and Johnston, the way Lee and Grant reacted with utter disdain to any criticism of the other, and the whirlwind romance and marriage of Union Brigadier General Smith Atkins to the daughter of David Lowry Swain, former Governor of North Carolina.


153 posted on 05/24/2007 7:21:29 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: RegulatorCountry

‘That war was won in South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia.’

Actually it was ‘won’ the moment Vickburg fell, its a testiment to the unbelievable endurance of the South that the war continued for two years after it fell in July of 1863.


154 posted on 05/24/2007 7:22:04 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: RacerF150
Let’s see. Where are all the limp-wristed, sissy-boy, liberal wusses currently concentrated? In the North or in the South? Hummm. Which states almost always vote for Democrats? Hummm. Which states exercise the most control over their citizens? Hummm.

To be fair, that's because we're more urbanized, god help us. If we could get Chicago to secede and become the 51st state, Illinois would be the best state in the Union.

155 posted on 05/24/2007 7:23:13 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: AnAmericanMother

‘Well, Grant did love an under-three-minute trotter, but when he got busted he was up front and honest about it.
A D.C. cop once pulled him over then was covered with confusion when he realized who he’d stopped. “Officer, do your duty,” said Grant. He always paid the piper for his dancing. And he was a brave man, refusing narcotics for pain from his throat cancer so he could finish his autobiography to support his family.

Full disclosure: I’m as southern as they come, but my cousin Julia Dent married U.S. Grant. She must have seen something in him.’

You are absolutely correct on all counts in this post.


156 posted on 05/24/2007 7:23:57 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Non-Sequitur
It wasn't a rebellion. It was a succession.

Just as Alaska should be able to leave the Union so they can drill for their oil, the south wanted to be able to ship their raw goods overseas without over taxation forced on them by people outside their states.

I am just waiting for the huge city states of our nation to force the midwest to supply them free chickens, cattle and grain. It is coming. They are the majority.

157 posted on 05/24/2007 7:24:35 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Search for Folding Project - Join FR Team 36120)
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To: TonyRo76

Well said. I agree totally. And OUTSIDE AGITATERS should mind their own business. Not that they are going to do this, but I just thought I would mention....


158 posted on 05/24/2007 7:25:00 AM PDT by twonie ( watch this space)
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To: Badeye
Actually it was ‘won’ the moment Vickburg fell

Kansas didn't exist then, and neither did Vicksburg. I was referring to the Revolution.

159 posted on 05/24/2007 7:25:08 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: varon

“I’ll take the Confederate flag any day of the week over the Mexican flags almost everywhere I turn!!!”

I agree!!!!!


160 posted on 05/24/2007 7:25:26 AM PDT by dynachrome (Henry Bowman is right.)
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To: FredHunter08
If you read the lyrics of the “Battle Hymn of the Republic”, it refers to killing American civilians, families....

Nope. You're projecting how you feel about Northern battle conduct onto lyrics that have nothing to do with specific tactics.

What do you think “trample out the vintage where the grapes of wrath are stored”?

Read Lincoln's Second Inaugural and ask yourself that question again.

161 posted on 05/24/2007 7:25:27 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: FredHunter08
Hey Y'all. I'm Southern by birth (Wise County Virginia, next county over is Lee) and a Tennessean now. Family has been in the US since around 1650 or so. I'm all about the heritage of the battle flag as I had family fight for it.

It always breaks my heart to see the flag at KKK rallies though. Those idiots perpetuate myths and misunderstanding by hiding behind it.

My tag line ain't about North or South. Its about Gen. Sherman.

162 posted on 05/24/2007 7:25:39 AM PDT by LimaLimaMikeFoxtrot ("If you don't have my army supplied, and keep it supplied, we'll eat your mules up, sir"-Sherman)
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To: zeugma

Your picture is one of the reasons this country has been so successful.
It was only a very few years after the war that folks were getting together on battlefields for reenactments and picnics. Men in Blue and Gray would willingly sit down at the dinner table and break bread together.

In other nations, you see deep animosities that periodically result in pogroms, and general death and mayhem.

Sure, we still have regional rivalries, but that’s fairly natural, and pre-existed the War Between the States anyway.

Marse Robert’s actions in April, 1865 (I highly recommend the book ‘April 1865’) went a long way to making this happen.


163 posted on 05/24/2007 7:26:27 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: FredHunter08
Not my point, or their’s.

That quote of your was preceded with: The British opinion of all this was interesting, to say the least.

I know your a newbie here, but that's no excuse to make up BS to get your point across.

And making up more BS when you are called for your original BS doesn't make you look any better.
164 posted on 05/24/2007 7:26:39 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: weegee
The La Raza clan shout about Aztlan. Isn’t that a notion of “The South Is Gonna Rise Again”?

THIS is what so many people don't get.

While the Founders believed "All men were created equal", it didn't mean society or government was obligated to keep them that way. There actually was (and still is) a legalistic tier of different types of ~persons~

While slaves were property, what we call 'illegals' today were referred to as 'denizens', and denizens did NOT have the same legal standing as a citizen of one of the several States. Denizens had natural rights, but not civil ones.

Thats why today's illegals have more rights than the people that were born here....they are still 'natural persons' in law, with all of their freedoms still attached, while a "citizen of the United States" is an artificial person with only privileges granted by government.

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"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
(Kitchens v. Steele 112 F.Supp 383).

165 posted on 05/24/2007 7:27:01 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Government cannot make a law contrary to the law that made the government)
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To: Virginia Ridgerunner

Great pic.


166 posted on 05/24/2007 7:27:52 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: TonyRo76
To me, the Confederate flag stands for states' rights, self-determination, honor, courage and bold defiance against authoritarian government. It's also an historic symbol of Southern heritage—a heritage in which I proudly share. Unless you're a professional race-pimp (à la Je$$e Jack$on), a socialist educrat or an MSM brownshirt, the Confederate flag shouldn't offend you in the least.

If it does offend you, you need a history lesson!

You are absolutely correct. History is always distorted in favor of the winners. The descendants of the winners are now being beaten down by the globalist forces, in part because they have bought into the racial history teachings and are ignoring states' rights, self-determination, honor, courage and bold defiance against authoritarian government.

167 posted on 05/24/2007 7:28:27 AM PDT by ghostrider
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To: Mr. Silverback
“Nope. You’re projecting how you feel about Northern battle conduct onto lyrics that have nothing to do with specific tactics.”

Not specific tactics, just a desire to punish Southern Americans.

“Read Lincoln’s Second Inaugural and ask yourself that question again.”

The Battle Hymn of the Republic was written by Julia Howe, not Lincoln.

168 posted on 05/24/2007 7:28:32 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: FredHunter08; RegulatorCountry
You think the average Northerner had a problem with it?

There you go; lose the argument - change the terms. The original comment had to do with the claim that the South was fighting to preserve "government for the people, by the people and of the people”.

Not only is the phrase strangely borrowed from Lincoln, but it's use to justify a democracy built on enslaving 1/3 of the population, and dedicated to preserving the States' "right" to do so, is somewhat discordant.

169 posted on 05/24/2007 7:29:20 AM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: freedomfiter2; SWEETSUNNYSOUTH; BnBlFlag; catfish1957; afnamvet; StoneWall Brigade; L98Fiero; ...
In case you missed this one.....
Dixie Ping
170 posted on 05/24/2007 7:29:36 AM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: D-Chivas

“To this Yankee, it means that Democrat redneck white trash want to go back to the good old days of segregation, lynching, and enslavement of black people.”

In your case, thats not a bad idea.


171 posted on 05/24/2007 7:30:15 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: FredHunter08

And I, as a southerner, don’t give a rat’s behind WHAT a yankee thinks about anything, particularly anything in the south. Outside agitaters have no clout here.


172 posted on 05/24/2007 7:30:31 AM PDT by twonie ( watch this space)
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To: 1rudeboy
Makes you wonder if more libs should've played "capture the flag" as little kids.

Some of the most enjoyable hours of my youth!

173 posted on 05/24/2007 7:31:00 AM PDT by LantzALot
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To: HEY4QDEMS
“That quote of your was preceded with: The British opinion of all this was interesting, to say the least. “

That referred to a general view of their opinion from their press. Unless, of course, you think there was actually a man named “British” to be quoted. I would presume that from your asinine argument.

“I know your a newbie here, but that’s no excuse to make up BS to get your point across.

And making up more BS when you are called for your original BS doesn’t make you look any better.”

Being too dense to see the point isn’t making you look very good, son. Calling the ancestors of a bastion of conservatism in the United States “enemies of America” isn’t either.

174 posted on 05/24/2007 7:31:28 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Non-Sequitur; TonyRo76; LS
Authoritarian government? Until they walked out the South pretty much ran the government. If it was authoriarian then weren't they responsible?

Everyone interested in the Civil war should also check out the section on Southern Big Government in LS's "A Patriot's History of the United States." A real eye-opener...the Confederate government was pretty much running the entire economy down to the smallest detail.

175 posted on 05/24/2007 7:32:09 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: twonie

“And I, as a southerner, don’t give a rat’s behind WHAT a yankee thinks about anything, particularly anything in the south. Outside agitaters have no clout here.”

The problem is, they all want to move down here and ruin it.


176 posted on 05/24/2007 7:32:16 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: FredHunter08; LexBaird
How do you propose that this be stopped?

In all fairness the average Southern supporter is no more responsible for the misuse of the confederate flag by hate groups as the average Christian is for the misuse of the cross by those same people.

177 posted on 05/24/2007 7:32:38 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: antisocial

You can lead a yankee to the truth, but that doesn’t overcome years of public schooling and indoctrination of the terminally brain dead.


178 posted on 05/24/2007 7:32:40 AM PDT by Leatherneck_MT (The Republican Party's continued idiocy, proves the TV Series, Lost In Space, was a documentary.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

WEll, you need to find something to do besides making trouble where none exists in places you do not belong. Ain’t too much to do in Kansas, is there.


179 posted on 05/24/2007 7:33:03 AM PDT by twonie ( watch this space)
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To: Mr. Silverback

“A real eye-opener...the Confederate government was pretty much running the entire economy down to the smallest detail.”

True, but the North was run the same way during the war.


180 posted on 05/24/2007 7:33:05 AM PDT by FredHunter08 (Guiliani! Come and Take Them!)
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To: Badeye
Answer “Cause your down here....’

LOL!

Bad, bad, Badeye!...you owe me a keyboard.

:-)

181 posted on 05/24/2007 7:33:39 AM PDT by MamaTexan (Government cannot make a law contrary to the law that made the government)
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To: FredHunter08

‘Logistics won the day for the North.’

Only after Grant put all the Union armies in motion at once. Prior to that, with the exception of Gettysburg, the eastern theater was dominated by the incomparable Robert E Lee’s masterful defensive actions, and counter attacks.

Logistics was at the heart of why the South didn’t win its Independence. Their own ‘logistics’ were undermined by the extreme ‘states rights’ stance the South incorporated via their version of the Constitution. In short, that extreme viewpoint planted the seeds of the Confederates ultimate defeat.

did you know the state of Georgia had 50,000 complete uniform sets, with shoes, the day Lee surrendered his barefoot and rag clad magnificent warriors?

” Yes, that was something Grant recognized. My point was that the industry that drove that military machine was run on what we would now call “slavery”.’

Thats a rationalization that isn’t supported by any facts from the era, only modern liberalism doing what it always does, rationalize. Sorry, maybe a sweat shop, but not ‘slavery’ not even remotely close.


182 posted on 05/24/2007 7:34:32 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Badeye
A steamroller would be more appropriate, based on how he eventually won the war.

Hmmmm...take stuff from people and destroy railways or kill Southern men in the field in a futile bloodletting? Gee, what a horrible man Grant was...

183 posted on 05/24/2007 7:34:51 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: FredHunter08
Being too dense to see the point isn’t making you look very good, son.

I see your point very well and at least I now know what I'm dealing with.

And don't call me son, I'm not your son.
184 posted on 05/24/2007 7:35:30 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: FredHunter08
hey Mark McCormick, this is for you! Photo Sharing and Video Hosting at Photobucket
185 posted on 05/24/2007 7:35:41 AM PDT by Shimmer128 (the South will rise again!)
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To: RC2
Once you allow the race baiters to demonize the Confederate Battle Flag, Old Glory is next. .... Polybius

Well, that didn't take long.

To the liberal mind, it is a very short distance from

Confederate Battle Flag = Nazi

to

Old Glory = Nazi

5/24/07 | ...... U.S. Flag Blasted by United Methodist Official ...... a leader in the United Methodist Church has called for the removal of U.S. flags from the denomination's churches. Minister Clayton Childers of the Capitol Hill-based United Methodist Board of Church and Society said the presence of a national flag can imply endorsement of national policies, which often are counter to the teachings of Christ. Childers even noted that the Swastika flag was displayed prominently in German churches during the Nazi era. ........Mark Tooley is with the Institute on Religion and Democracy (IRD). "Obviously," he notes, "there are a number of serious problems with that Nazi-American analogy

186 posted on 05/24/2007 7:36:11 AM PDT by Polybius
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To: cripplecreek
I’m pure yankee and the flag doesn’t bother me a bit.

I grew up in a northern, industrial city. Some time in the early fifties, the hats worn by Civil War soldiers became popular, and you saw the rebel gray at least as much as the union blue. (In fact, that was my own choice.) No one attached any social significance to this at all.

187 posted on 05/24/2007 7:36:18 AM PDT by LantzALot
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To: Non-Sequitur

The fact you could kill a slave you ‘owned’ on a whim seems to escape some on this thread, doesn’t it?

I can’t help but laugh at the statement the northern workers were also ‘slaves’ based on that alone.


188 posted on 05/24/2007 7:36:21 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: AnAmericanMother
I'm as southern as they come, but my cousin Julia Dent married U.S. Grant. She must have seen something in him.

She did have one good eye, I understand. But true love sees with something more piercing than eyesight.

189 posted on 05/24/2007 7:36:51 AM PDT by thulldud ("Para inglÚs, oprima el dos.")
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To: Steve_Seattle

‘When it is used by Southerners, I see it as a symbol of regional pride’

Yep.


190 posted on 05/24/2007 7:36:57 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: Non-Sequitur; Redbob
You mean like...New Orleans? Even pre-Katrina?

Note the commonalities: Large size and generations of Dem control.

191 posted on 05/24/2007 7:38:06 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: FredHunter08

‘The British opinion of all this was interesting, to say the least. “So, it’s OK to secede from us, but damn them from trying to secede from you.”’

Actually the opinion of the Brits was ‘how barbaric, the institution of slavery’ and thats why they didn’t intervene.

You can look that up, btw.


192 posted on 05/24/2007 7:38:10 AM PDT by Badeye (You know its a kook site when they ban the word 'kook')
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To: TonyRo76

States’ rights to do what?


193 posted on 05/24/2007 7:38:14 AM PDT by dbwz
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To: FredHunter08
South Carolina fired on Sumter - a fort in their territory that would not stand down and was a direct threat (kind of like Iraq, in that way), but the other Southern states didn’t

South Carolina didn't fire on Sumer - a federal fort that did not belong to South Carolina - the confederacy did. As such, it was all the Southern states firing on Sumter and as a result initiating the war. Blaming it all on South Carolina because the firing started there makes no more sense than blaming it all on Lincoln because he insisted on retaining ownership of federal property.

194 posted on 05/24/2007 7:38:20 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: twonie
WEll, you need to find something to do besides making trouble where none exists in places you do not belong. Ain’t too much to do in Kansas, is there.

Did you read the article that started this thread?

195 posted on 05/24/2007 7:39:45 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: KarlInOhio
I get the urge to buy a Dodge Charger, paint it dark blue with a 35 star Union flag on the top, and wire it's horn to play the Battle Hymm of the Republic

OK great idea, indulge your urge and go for it. Just don't tell me I can't indulge my urge to paint the Stars and Bars on my Charger and name it General Lee.

That's what's so great about America, we all have our opinions and sentiments and we can all express them without fear of government reprisal. At least we can until politically correct would-be tyrants like the lawyer quoted in this article take away our constitutional right to freely speak our minds and express our opinions.

196 posted on 05/24/2007 7:40:28 AM PDT by epow ( Policies are many, principles are few, policies change, principles never do)
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To: Gvl_M3
Was it worth 1,000,000 of you Northerners to keep the South in the Union???

If you guys had gotten what you wanted there would not be a United States today. We would be the Balkans with cowboys.

197 posted on 05/24/2007 7:40:50 AM PDT by Mr. Silverback (A pacifist sees no distinction between the arsonist and the fireman--Freeper ccmay)
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To: FredHunter08
How do you propose that this be stopped?

The same way you'd stop the defiling of any symbol you hold precious. Say, burning the Holy Cross on someone's lawn, for example.

198 posted on 05/24/2007 7:41:42 AM PDT by LexBaird (PR releases are the Chinese dog food of political square meals.)
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To: Badeye; FredHunter08
You can look that up, btw

Why look it up, when you can make it up?
199 posted on 05/24/2007 7:42:17 AM PDT by HEY4QDEMS (Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn't get it.)
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To: Leatherneck_MT

LOL, I’m afraid you’re correct.


200 posted on 05/24/2007 7:42:33 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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