Where are the activist women?

Salt Lake Tribune ^ | 5/22/07 | Rebecca Walsh

[GOP_1900AD]

Let me put it this way. Universal suffrage, in general, was not what the Founders intended. One can perhaps make an argument for a single Ammendment which would have allowed QUALIFIED people of all races, sexes, etc to vote. The key being the word QUALIFIED. Universal suffrage leads to mob rule. Are we there yet?

[fatez]

I have often thought that men should only be allowed to vote in state and national elections and women only vote in local and state elections. Definitely a hairbrained idea, but 90 percent of the national issues are spun so heavily towards women and most women really don’t care. While I think it might be a good idea overall, we would loose out on such fine leaders as Margaret Thatcher, Liddy Dole, Kay Bailey Hutchinson to name just a few.

If women really paid attention to national issues like our Freeper sisters here, then it wouldn’t be a problem.

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

My Mother In Law is a member and she is quite convinced that they are non-partsian.

[basil]

Well—what can I say? Looks to me like your MIL has a problem—LOL!

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

I was an exec. officer of 3 PTAs at the same time. I watched as membership in attendance at meetings dropped to 5 of us at the elementary school (including one teacher and the principal) and 7 or 8 at middle school. PTA Council, which encompassed all 6 schools, had to drop its annual Winter Carnival for lack of volunteers.

I don't know about your situation, but my wife and I don't participate in PTSA (as they call it here) for 2 reasons:

1. They just rubber stamp what the teachers want.
2. Many in leadership are Napoleans.

[sageb1]

The National PTA changed dramatically during my last years of involvement. And yes, it was a power grab in lockstep with the ideology of the teachers’ unions. At the end of my tenure, local PTA’s were warring with the Nat’l PTA and many switched to PTO’s to voice their protest. Most PTA’s are just your neighborhood moms and dads having little fundraisers for playground equipment, helping with RIF, counting soup labels and boxtops, editing the school newspaper, holding art contests, etc. I would suggest not writing yours off until you’ve actually tried volunteering.

I’m speaking from experience almost 20 years ago in a small city with 4 elementary schools, a middle school and high school. I’m sure the big city PTA/PTO is somewhat different, but the schools can use all the help they can get from parents. If you don’t like it, you can stop going. It’s that easy.

[happygrl]

If women really paid attention to national issues like our Freeper sisters here, then it wouldn’t be a problem.

Here's the curious aspect of Conservatism.

I discovered that conservatives were advocates, in terms of policy, of my values, which are the oft-mocked compassionate conservatives. These are the natural values that God creates in women.

The Liberals talk a good game, as far as caring about people, but their policies actually pull people down, rather than lift them up. It is not a kindness to make victims of people, or to devalue people in any way. It is not a kindness to leave people unprotected from their enemies who want to kill them.

But you're right, you have to pay attention to what the outcomes are, not what the talk is.

[miss marmelstein]

I, for one, hope that this group of women does go by the wayside-—just another bunch of liberal women trying to worm their way into our lives.

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And maybe if they’d invited the dumb, ignorant, low class babysitters into the meeting, they’d have created a wider pool of members and their descendants...

[Half Vast Conspiracy]

I would suggest not writing yours off until you’ve actually tried volunteering.

We did. That is why I know I don't want to do it anymore. It is full of folks that couldn't be in charge of anything else, so they run the Spring Carnival like they are Gen. Patton. My oldest is 21 and my youngest is 7....I'm talking about experience in schools in 4 states over a 15 year span.

I'd suggest that you re-think your assumptions about folks who don't do volunteer work.

[Melas]

One can perhaps make an argument for a single Ammendment which would have allowed QUALIFIED people of all races, sexes, etc to vote. The key being the word QUALIFIED. Universal suffrage leads to mob rule. Are we there yet?

The obvious flaw here is the non-qualified live in thrall to the qualified. This is most easily indentified in that the non-qualified will definitely be taxed, represented or not.

[GOP_1900AD]

You realize, of course, that as of 1800, there was not universal suffrage.

[Melas]

How does that make it good?

[GOP_1900AD]

Ah, I see, are you one of those “living Constitution” types? Trying to change our republic into a mob ruled anarchic mess? Well, you’ve already mostly succeeded, got to hand it to you and your ilk. But I have to say, SCREW YOU!

[Melas]

But I have to say, SCREW YOU!

Well, I won't try to match such lofty eloquence. Suffice it to say that your obvious lack of class and breeding serves as proof that your opinion is not one that anyone should lose sleep over.